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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 243
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 243
Tuesday, June 12th 1990
Today's Topics:
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Evidence/UFO persons
Re: GB Video
Re: serious heat
Press Release / UFO Spotlight
Recent Developments
GB Video
Re: serious heat
New User
Re: black helicopters or shadow ships
Re: SURVEY
Re: Huff Part III - Conclusion
Re: GB Video
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From: isis!well!ddrasin (Dan Drasin)
Subject: (none)
Date: 10 Jun 90 22:13:53 GMT
Cooper
-+ From: Daniel.Wisnosky
-+ ... I've heard plenty about Cooper being a real jerk, among other
-+ things, but I've never heard about his material. Or was it assumed
-+ that since he's a jerk he's also a liar? ... Does anybody have proof
-+ either for or against Cooper's theories & revalations?
Whatever one makes of Cooper's personality and apparent state of mind,
one cannot fault his frequent insistence that people do their *own*
homework and make up their *own* minds. In his 9/24/89 talk at Sedona,
he underscored this over and over again, and offered a bibliography
to anyone who wanted to check things out on their own. I'm surprised
that the criticism of Cooper's paranoid manner has not been balanced
by a willingness to follow up on his information. Many of his
assertions about the world power structure are not new with him (as he
readily reminds us), and have been discussed by many researchers and
authors over the years. What *is* perhaps new with Cooper is a drawing
together of certain threads of information that simply have not been
drawn together before now, either because no one has bothered to do
so, or because to even consider such a picture requires either an
extraordinarily open mind or a particular set of fears and neuroses
geared to a fascination with such matters -- or both. One of the
things that should be taught in grade school is that many of those
whom we honor as 'pioneers' in various fields were considered quite
mad in their own time -- and perhaps justifiably so.
Whether Cooper is right for the wrong reasons should not concern us as
much as whether he is right for *any* reason. I don't necessarily buy
his *conclusions*, but for various reasons I find much of this
*information* provocative and worthy of further study.
Anyone interested in tying more of this together would do well to get
hold of a copy of THE GODS OF EDEN by William Bramley. It explores a
theory that takes the world power structure way, way back into the
mists of history. It begins where Zechariah Sitchin (The Twelfth
Planet, The Wars of Gods and Men) leaves off, and suggests that we are
the results of an ongoing experiment in the creation of a servant
race. Hence, we must be encouraged to fight among ourselves and create
disparate belief systems which will discourage us from ever finding
out the truth in a concerted way. Bramley cautions that his theory is
to be taken provisionally, and he does seem to lump some things
together indiscriminately. But if 10% of what he says is true, we may
have to take a long, hard look at many of our chershed assumptions.
Bramley puts the UFO phenomenon squarely in the middle of this
picture. I don't agree with everything Bramley says, but I found his
book absolutely riveting.
THE GODS OF EDEN is published by the Dahlin Family Press. If you can't
find the book, the publisher's phone number (in San Jose, CA) is (408)
554-2863. I recommend the book *HIGHLY*. It is *extremely* thought-
provoking and very well researched.
By the way, Bramley is a historian and sociologist -- not a ufologist.
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From: isis!well!ddrasin (Dan Drasin)
Subject: (none)
Date: 10 Jun 90 22:14:33 GMT
Psychological research
-+ From: paranet!mcorbin
>> one aspect of ufology that has developed rapidly over the past
>> few years attempts to understand the psychic and psychological
>> effects of UFO experiences, and to collect and discuss evidence
>> on that level. This (paranet) network, for example, is very
>> strong on the 'nuts and bolts' and "government-political" level,
>> but carries almost no information on other aspects of ufology
>> that are being pursued as scientifically (if not more so) in
>> other subcultures.
-+ I could agree to this Dan, but where is the data that has come from
-+ the serious scientific study of this aspect? Thus far, I have not
-+ seen any, and would welcome it.
Mike, one good place to start would be a publication entitled
CYBERBIOLOGICAL STUDIES OF THE IMAGINAL COMPONENT IN THE UFO CONTACT
EXPERIENCE. Note that the word 'imaginal' does not mean "imaginary" --
it's a psychological term having to do with the process by which
people 'image' things and make meaning from them. This publication is
a paperback book that's part of a subscription series entitled
ARCHAEUS. This edition is edited by Dennis Stillings and consists of
nine articles by different researchers.
WARNING: The articles contain quite a bit of terminology that may be
difficult for non-psychologists to grasp without a certain amount of
preparation. Regardless, the book is still *very* well worth
reading. It will be particularly challenging to those who feel that
the nuts-and-bolts reality out there is exclusively of prime
importance, but by no means does it deny the importance of the
physical aspect.
One might express the book's premise as follows: We cannot learn very
much about these phenomena without learning new and quite unexpected
things about ourselves.
THE ARCHAEUS PROJECT
2042 University Avenue
St. Paul, MN 55114
(612) 781-5012
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From: 23BMSDO <23bmsdo@sacemnet.af.mil>
Subject: Evidence/UFO persons
Date: 11 Jun 90 03:23:21 GMT
-------Mike Corbin-----
Sorry to take so long to respond to your request for information
concerning the detection of physical evidence and my inquiry into the
backgrounds of the 'famous' UFO figures. I've been flying to Alabama
this past week on business and just got back. I'll expound on both
topics below. Also I appreciate your brief explanation of your
personal history.
------Physical evidence-----
It is my firm belief that most of the sightings/landings/pictures
could be further investigated by a person with the correct equipment.
Of the case studies I've read about dating back to 1950's most of the
sites of these events are 'cold' by the time someone with the intent
to investigate arrives, or worse yet the site has been contaminated
by the witness or interested by-standers. One historical case comes
to mine that occurred in Brazil in the 1950s where a UAP was observed
to explode off-shore and debris washed up on the beach. Some of the
metal fragments were crudely analyzed and found to be 99.99% pure
magnesium BUT with a strength approaching steel. The samples did
not attract much attention until years later after they had been
discarded by the farmer who found them. But the chemist that heard
of the unusal strength thought that maybe it was some form of
advanced alloy...or MAYBE! a radical crystalline form of magnesium
that was man-made. We'll probably never know. This sort of loss
of evidence occurs in other cases such as the Gulf Breeze sightings
when the film was removed from the camera in other than certified
laboratory conditions. The validity was in question the moment
the guy removed the film and developed it without the proper
witnesses, conditions, and controls. Or the circular ground
patterns when persons have access to the site in an uncontrolled
manner the introduction of contaminates is unavoidable. Tests like
soil compression, electromagnetic polarization of the soil minerals,
vapor and aeromatic trace testing, soil temperature differential
chemical analysis, argon lasar minute residue testing, etc....
these should be done in the first 12 to 24 hours after the site has
been created/discovered and WELL before a throng of people invade the
scene. These type tests could be accomplished by a person with about
$30,000 worth of field equipment and access to a good chem lab for the
chemical/gas spectro-analysis.
Anyway I could talk for hours of the things I would love to see
tested/examined when a 'site' is discovered or a piece of evidence
is brought in. Do you realize the care that NASA affords moon-rocks??
UAP raw evidence needs to approach that type of concern for investigators
trying to gather facts. Heck!!!... there aren't even any guide lines
for how to go about examining most of the stuff that is reported in
connection to UAPs.
-------'Famous' UFO persons----------
You asked for specifics on some of the persons that are making the
rounds in the circus of current UFO happenings.....well I wasn't
able to come up with much other than stuff that leads me to believe
that most of them are wackos with some desire for attention.
I did the normal stuff that anyone can do on a person that is legally
available from departments of public government. Tax records are
available, in some states motor vechicle records are available,
voter registration, draft registration, the City Directory(fantastic
source!!!), land ownership/lease information, etc....
I will not name individuals since I believe that this goes beyond my
purpose of doing the checking.....besides it usually degenerates into
name calling and pointing fingers.
I found that in most cases the individuals had one or more
personal problems of such a nature that would cause their emotional
status to be called into question. In one of the more vocal and
newsworthy persons I found that they had been involved in out-
right financial fraud and had a very bad credit history. One
individuals resume' was found to be HIGHLY embellished from the
truth...or maybe UFO groupies did the embellishing and the person
just let it go. Also I was suprised at how much information that
can be obtained from public sources was overlooked by the news
media when reports/stories were published on these people.
To contrast the 'famous' witness with the more credible
random witness I'll describe someone we'll call 'Rose'. Rose came
to my attention about 1 month ago from friends in San Jose California
who started mentioning my interest in UAPs. They said they had a
relative there that had witnessed this weird object at close range.
Rose is a housewife with two kids, dog, and husband. She doesn't
read science fiction and has no belief in UFOs or ETs. The only
reason that she even mentioned the sighting to relatives is
because of the effect it had on her elderly mother who was in the
car at the time of the sighting. These sightings occurred about
1 year ago. Her initial reaction was of disinterest because she
thought it was related to some Navy activity that might be
going on at Moffett field in San Jose. Anyway that was the first
and last time she spoke of it until I started asking her questions.
Witnesses like these usually show no interest in seeking
any form of attention and tend to discard the sighting as some
known aerial phenomenon. BUT this type person is exactly the
ones I tend to go after because they have no motives for reporting
the UAP(and sadly usually don't) and distorting what actually
happened. I guess they're the innocents of the UAP field and are
more attractive to someone interested in raw information without
embellishment.
I hope that this little discussion can give you an insight
into some of the pitfalls of this field. The money required to
chase down some of this stuff can total up to a big bill. If
I didn't fly myself.....the amount would be huge. Thats why
I get pretty pissed at all the garbage that floats around
that tends to just waste time....can't these attention freaks
find something else to do??????
Enjoy,
David Winters
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: GB Video
Date: 12 Jun 90 00:54:00 GMT
> I, too, experienced the feeling of wrongness when I watched the Gulf
> Breeze video. It seemed too RIGHT. It almost makes me wonder who the
> hell was flying the damn thing to let themselves be photoed like that.
> Then again, I just might be jealous because he has some damn good
> footage (even if it is fake. He should make George Lucas feel jealous).
> Also, when I heard the audio of them talking in the backround "Gee
> honey, what is it?" "I don't know. I just don't know." It didn't seem
> like the "right" thing to say. Any normal person would've just dropped
> the camera and run for his life.
Oh, dear. Methinks you have your videos confused. Are you referring to the one
with the circle of lights, with an outboard flashing red light? That has
nothing to do with Gulf Breeze. That's the Hudson Valley video, taken by the
Pozzuoli's of Brewster NY in 1984. That one's real, as far as we can
determine. It has a dozen independent witnesses to verify it, and a cursory
analysis by JPL's Al Hibbs produced no answers (but its NOT a formation of
ultra-light aircraft, as Phil Klass would have you believe - no pilot would
fly an ultralight at night with winds gusting to 28 knots). The GB video is a
very different animal altogether. It doesn't look too RIGHT, it looks too
WRONG.
Jim
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From: paranet!f5.n30223.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Gene.Gross
Subject: Re: serious heat
Date: 8 Jun 90 05:21:00 GMT
Daniel:
And Cooper will remember seeing my name on his list of agents.
<GRIN>
Oh, well, always loved those Bond films--so realistic.
--
Gene Gross
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Press Release / UFO Spotlight
Date: 8 Jun 90 15:04:00 GMT
> What network will carry "UFO Spotlight"? Or will it just be in
> California, and not broadcasted on FOX, CBS, NNBC ABC, PBS, etc?
I'm sure its going to be syndicated, since I doubt any network will buy it. It
sounds to me like a shoestring affair, but I could be wrong. Mike is checking
this out more thoroughly.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Recent Developments
Date: 8 Jun 90 15:07:00 GMT
>
> Jim,
> I saw the Joan Rivers show that day. I didn't get the name of the
> "Implant victim".
> Joan when looking at it said it looked like a little black box.
> The guy said that it had microscopic wires sticking out from it.
> He said it came out of his lower abdominal area (wouldn't be specific).
> Basically thats all I remember, I was half watching as I was doing
> somthing else at the time.
> Hope this helps, I know it's not much.
> Kay
Thanks, Kay, help it does. I talked to Dave Jacobs briefly about it. He told
me the man's name was (Richard?) Price, and he was actually a patient of Ben
Jamieson. Said the implant fell out during a medical checkup or something.
He expressed some confidence in the report. Hopefully, we'll be able to ask
Dave more about this when he gets online in the Abduction echo.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: GB Video
Date: 8 Jun 90 19:45:00 GMT
Pete:
You're having a conversation with TS Bennett on FIDO, which I've been
following, but I prefer to answer here (for obvious reasons). I think you may
be zeroing in on a major problem with the Breeze. There is something about
that darn video, something I can't quite put my finger on, but it has to do
with the lights...something that should be moving, stays put, or something
that should stay put, seems to move, I'm not sure which, but something is
definitely WRONG. Can you with your stop action VCR, see what I might be
talking about? Its amazing that this video has passed muster with every
analyst who has looked at it. I am CERTAIN there is something wrong with it,
something that points to some kind of video-diddling.
Jim
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Daniel.Wisnosky
Subject: Re: serious heat
Date: 8 Jun 90 15:46:17 GMT
GG> Daniel:
GG> And Cooper will remember seeing my name on his list of agents.
GG> <GRIN>
GG> Oh, well, always loved those Bond films--so realistic.
hehe.. well, as I've said a thing or two to T.S. Bennett, I wouldn't be
surprised if he were to call ME a government agent.. Actually, now that
I think about it, I believe he DID.. oh well..
this is Agent Wisnosky (yeah, sure T.S.) saying
C yas!
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From: paranet!p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Frances.Jones
Subject: New User
Date: 7 Jun 90 17:46:40 GMT
Hi Don,
There is a woman in New Smyrna Bch. Fla. who is interested in becoming a BBS
user. I don't know anyone in that area who is into computers but I told her I
would try to find someone who could help her get starterd.
If you know of anyone in that area,please leave me a message or have them leave
me one so I can give them her name and number.
Thanks
Can anyone tell me what satelite the UFO Spotlight wil be broadcast from?
Am very interested in being able to receive it.
FJ
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From: paranet!p0.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Robin.Gober
Subject: Re: black helicopters or shadow ships
Date: 8 Jun 90 08:32:30 GMT
Tim, well thanks for trying. No what I am looking for would be something
very unusal. Would probaly be in a group of three. I have talk to six
different people here in east Tenn. Who have been willing to talk about
some strange meetings with black animals. By this I mean all the people
had a deep gut level feeling that there was something very wrong going
on. Each one felt themselves to be in great danger. I am with holding
some details from the stories as a way to check on any new stories.
But like I say thanks for trying.
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Robin Gober - via FidoNet node 1:209/722
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: SURVEY
Date: 9 Jun 90 05:38:00 GMT
>>I'm still waiting for a reasonable solid answer...
Yes, I think most of the people on PN are too. The fact that they
are seen all over the world is strong evidence that they are NOT some
US secret project. The apparent lack of physical evidence could be
pointing to them being meteorological phenomenon rather then nuts and
bolts. Of course, that's not the only possible explanation but it's no
more far-fetched then some others that are put forward.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Huff Part III - Conclusion
Date: 9 Jun 90 06:00:00 GMT
Does it seem likely that the gvt would hire a former operator/owner of
a House of Prostitution for work in an extremely high security area.
Not only would such a person seem like a poor security risk, if they
had been "away" from their physics for any more then a few months, they
would not likely be the hotshot the gvt would be looking for. Lazar
has yet to explain what special expertise he had that made him so
valuable to the gvt. From the info available he seems to be a less then
marginally qualified candidate for the work and situation he claims to
have been involved in. The more info that comes out, the less credible
the whole story is becoming.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: GB Video
Date: 9 Jun 90 06:59:00 GMT
There is something on almost all those GB photos that just doesn't ring
true. On a great many of them, there are reflections of lights that in
my experiance are a rarity on photos and videos, but Walters seems to
be plagued by them judging by the videos and photos he takes. I have
no doubt that someone could take a photo of a half raabbit half goat
and make it look genuine and submit it to an analyst and be told it's
genuine but that wouldn't change the fact that it was a picture of
something that was simply not a real creature. I am far from conviced
that photo analysis is anywhere near good enough to detect a great many
possible hoaxes. I was told Mcabee was going to put out a paper
somewhare detailing the specifics of his photo analysis; do you know if
he has done so? Was it in the GB Book?
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