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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 264
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 264
Saturday, July 14th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Triangular UFO?
Re: Triangular UFO?
Gulf Breeze Hoax?
ZAPRUDER FILM
Re: THEM (Bill Gorman)
Triangular UFO
Anything goes.....
Mr Ed GB and conf
Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Re: BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS
Re: Religious thread
Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Re: Stealth/Area 51
Re: Fido UFO
Re: Recent Developments
Re: Inside Edition
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From: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Date: 17 Jun 90 02:21:00 GMT
Don: What if Ed was inspired to pull off a UFO hoax by the very fact
that, for over 15 years, UFOs had been sighted in the area? Once he
gets the photos published in the paper, then any subsequent sightings
of any UFOs are considered corroborative evidence of the authenticity
of his case. Take a look at the "Current Case Log" section of the
MUFON Journal and review the cases in the GB - Pensacola area. Read
the physical descriptions of the objects and compare them to the
objects in Ed's photos. How many really fit the same description? I
would ignore, outright, anyone who says "I saw what Ed saw!" since he
claimed to see a number of different types of objects. To give such a
"description" is simply to say "me too!".
I think Dr. Bruce has a lot more at stake in this case than Ed
does. If it's ever exposed as a hoax, Macabee will end up looking like
a real pinhead. Let's face it, he's already past the point of no
return. He can't do a 180 on this case without hurting his
credibility. -- John
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From: JOHN.KOMAR@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (JOHN KOMAR)
Subject: Triangular UFO?
Date: 16 Jun 90 10:34:00 GMT
> I need some information on any aircraft (known) that arranges its'
> lights in a triangular configuration....
>
> On June 9 I was driving home about 20 + miles from my house when I
> observed a large craft that was outlined in at least 10 white lights in
> a triangular figure. At the bottom was a blinking red light, on both
> sides of the 'base' was 2 blinking lights, and on top, was what appeared
> to be suspended blue light (blinking) that lit up the 'haze' in the air
> around it. It flew silently overhead and just 'disappeared' a few miles
> away. I estimated the object to be at least 100 ft. at the base and at
> least 150 ft. long and app. 2000 feet in altitude.
>
> On June 10 another witness observed the same type UFO near my house but
> this time with 4-5+ smaller lights in front of it and at least 1
> red/orange 'globe' of light following it as it headed to the south which
> I observed.
>
> Thank you...
>
> Jerry Woody
>
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> (1:30163/24)
Jerry, any new developments on this?
Regards, John
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Triangular UFO?
Date: 16 Jun 90 18:25:00 GMT
HH> Where would I find your file on debunking activities?
I don't have one. Do you mean in relation to Gulf Breeze? Ed's book has a
few, and my recent article for ParaNet lists a few more. I forget what
filename Jim Speiser put on it, but he could tell you.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Gulf Breeze Hoax?
Date: 17 Jun 90 03:58:00 GMT
> From what I've been reading lately, I assume that most experts
> are
> in agreement that Gulf Breeze was a hoax, but I've only caught
> bits and
> pieces of the controversy.
I don't think the experts are in any more agreement than they were
before the model was found. BTW, I now understand a reporter asked the
homeowner if he'd found a model *before* he told anyone.
I recently wrote a story based on my interviews at NUFOC with Ed and
Frances Walters and Bruce Maccabee. Included is a synopsis of all
reported sightings in the Pensacola/Gulf Breeze area as gathered by
Rex and Carol Salisbury of MUFON.
It'll give you some background upon which you can reach your own
conclusions.
I sent the file to Jim Speiser, but I've completely forgotten what
he named it. If you can't get ahold of it, let me know and I'll
file-attach a copy to the board you call.
jbh
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From: Ea.Richards@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Ea Richards)
Subject: ZAPRUDER FILM
Date: 17 Jun 90 01:48:30 GMT
Pete, one of the interesting aspects of the Zapruder film is that Life
magazine published two sets of frame prints:
In the first printing, all frames were seen; in the second printing (of the
same run), one or more frames were missing.
It looked like the heavy hand of government reached into the Life press run
and did its own editorializing....
(LBJ wanted to be president sooooo baddddd)
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From: Paul.Carr@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Carr)
Subject: Re: THEM (Bill Gorman)
Date: 17 Jun 90 21:16:00 GMT
I read an interesting fact today, evidently known to Anthropologists
for some time now - that apes (Pongids) have brain sizes ("endocranial
volume") proportional to the cube root of their body weights - i.e.
Gorillas don't have brains all that much larger than Chimps, even
though they're alot bigger. However, in the line of Human ancestors,
brain volume goes up as the FIFTH POWER of the cube root of body
weight.
So... when we humans diverged from our ancestors, we really diverged
bigtime.
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From: Rick.Dell'Aquila@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rick Dell'Aquila)
Subject: Triangular UFO
Date: 18 Jun 90 05:31:00 GMT
Jim Speiser is correct. We provided Bruce with a negative and
print of a triangular object which was photographed near Lake Erie on
the night of March 4, 1988 at approximately the same time that Coast
Guard personnel and civilian witnesses reported several small
triangular object emerging from a large football shaped object hovering
over the lake. Bruce's analysis of the film indicated that it was not
a flaw in the film, lens flare or other photographic imperfection, but
an image of some object.
Phil Imbrognio reported that the object was similar to the
larger objects reported in the Hudson Valley.
I would be happy tor provide further info on this to anyone who
would like to contact me at P.O. Box 29163, Parma, Ohio 44129, or leave
a message here for me. BTW--Thanks to Jim for correcting that
misstatement.
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From: Kurt.Lochner@p100.f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Anything goes.....
Date: 17 Jun 90 05:51:39 GMT
> (8) And now, this model.
>
> Short of a sworn confession, what more can you ask
> for? You have to ask yourself, if Ed has a ready
> explanation for the existence of a model in his attic,
> and people believe it, what WOULD it take for people
> to believe its a hoax?
>
> Jim
And now, The Larch.....
I have to say that Florida has an entire culture based on
tourism, needless to point out more than once that this is
a question(s) of economics. I have a friend back from
Florida recently that commented that the entire community
could benifit from tourism in this manner, who cares if it
makes a buck?
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Mr Ed GB and conf
Date: 22 May 90 02:46:00 GMT
PF> In a message of <18 May 90 21:19:00>, Don Allen (1:114/37)
PF> writes:
PF>
PF> >Note to Paul Faeder: You've done a super job of patching things
PF> >together..any chance of the central Fla area getting a more
PF> >solid feed? It would sure be appreciated on *this* end.
PF>
PF> John and I have already been in contact and things
PF> *should* be back in order by the time you get this.
PF>
PF>
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PF> 14.4K HST (1:268/102.0)
Thanks..it was getting old that every time the "wind blew" we
were losing our feed. I bet I spend a small fortune calling up
SwampGas (grin).
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Date: 22 May 90 03:41:01 GMT
Hi all,
I happenned to be in a local store when I spied a copy of
the magazine called "UFO UNIVERSE" . I bought it and have
read it now cover to cover. It was the July 1990 issue that
featured a story on Dreamland/Lazar and other things..
This is the first time I have seen it and wanted to know what
your thoughts were about the mag..like how *credible* is it?
There was a big feature on Sedona written by Brad Steiger
and an "exclusive" on the (alleged) UFO crash in South Africa
written by Antonio Huneeus (it was fascinating!)
How credible is Timothy Green Beckley (Mr UFO)?
I thought the articles were OK but I have a hard time with
all the "witchcraft" and various other lowlife ADS in the
mag..
One of the more prominent ads was a full page spread of
a plug for a book called "The Ultimate Deception" written
by one "Commander X" (an individual alleged to be in
the intelligence community writing under a cover name).
Highlights of this book that purports to reveal the "truth":
1) "Insider" testimony of the landing of a spaceship at Muroc
Air Force Base, witnessed by President Eisenhower.
2) How the recent end to the "cold" war was orchestrated.
3) The man who sits in prison accused of murder, who
says while in the service he not only saw several alien
bodies, but discovered the AIDS virus was manufactured
as part of a chemical-biological warfare program.
etc,etc,etc...At first glance,I thought maybe ole' Wild Bill
has written a book (grin).
The company that puts out this (and many other publications)
is listed as:
INNER LIGHT PUBLICATIONS
BOX 753, NEW BRUNSWICK
NEW JERSEY 08903
Has anyone ever heard of either this "book" or the publisher?
I have to doubt the credibility of a magazine whenever I see
ads like this,in my opinion.
Comments?
-Don Allen-
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From: Greg.Clawson@p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Greg Clawson)
Subject: Re: BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS
Date: 22 May 90 06:07:18 GMT
Ok, you wanted to know what I meant owhat your expelled from.. It's
the fact that the "Jews" are a chosen race. God loved your fathers and
promised them (If they kept the commandments given thru your fathers to
do them), he would be with them. But, when they rejected Jesus they
went to far and your race was expelled from being a Jewish nation not
to far from Jesus's prophecy of the temple. That the temple would be
destroyed and not one stone would be not thrown down, I believe this
what he said. (Left one upon another?)
Your fathers "deeds" are the expelling of prophets that were sent to
them but some they stoned, beat up, killed! That is the deeds I am
speaking about. And if you say that the Jews had nothing to do with
"Jesus's" death, then why did they push the crowds to kill him.
And if Jesus is the son of God, (an alien), who came from heaven, to
die for mankind, and took upon himself our miserable form. Why would
you say he wasnt the son of God when the effects after his death
destroy the jewish testimony that Jesus was something other than the
SON OF GOD? I can tell you when I call upon the name of Jesus, more
so, that I pray in the name of Jesus, heaven falls down in spiritual
form! And his blood is what I have "freely" to receive this.
Jesus is the key, when you call upon his name, it works! It is hidden,
because of evil men. Because of the "evil spiritual forces" in this
world working against anything to do with Jesus. Why? Because if all
of man would turn from evil ways then the moral seperation would be
demolished. And God would reveal himself to you, or anybody else.
I dont want to go any further but I stand to defend what I believe in.
And that the Bible is a true account of Jewish history. <KJV>
Please forgive me if I went to far in your echo here. But, I think if
you take a point of view that the Bible is dealing with Extra
Terrestrial activity, then you could say I could speak of what this
Extra Terrestrial did on this Earth. The misconceptions should be
stopped about that anything to do with Jesus is a "Religion". It's
not, its a way of life. And it's a communication between God and man
thru the Holy Ghost which Speaks thru toungues or (other languages).
Another manisfatation of God. An Extra Terrestrial force. And it is
open to all to aquire this. You just have to ask. You don't even need
to go to a church! Just find a place where nobody see's you or hear's
you and ask God to reveal himself. Plead and ask. Say your a sinner
born this way, and that you want to know the truth. And say your sorry
that you have done what you have done in your life. And ask him to
cover you with the blood of Jesus. And that you'll stop what you have
been doing (evil). It works! IT's real! It's not magic but it's
real!!! I've felt it. I'll never be the same. I am not the same man
what I was. I lost a nature to do evil things. To hurt people! And I
was reborn in my spirit. I never knew this was the truth unless I did
what I just asked you to do. All you have to do after you get reborn
is seek for the Sanctification Fire to clense you completely and ask
for the Holy Ghost Baptism. That requires investigation into a church
of "Penticostal" attributes. OK? Thats all. It dont disturb you here
in any way that I said this. And if it did I will move on.
Believe and you will receive! -* poof *-
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From: Greg.Clawson@p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Greg Clawson)
Subject: Re: Religious thread
Date: 22 May 90 06:48:43 GMT
Ok, I'll move on now. Just read your message. <click> As computer
usage goes. :-)
- Greg
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Date: 22 May 90 03:45:02 GMT
> 3) The man who sits in prison accused of murder, who
> says while in the service he not only saw several alien
> bodies, but discovered the AIDS virus was manufactured
> as part of a chemical-biological warfare program.
I can just picture a squad of soldiers mounting an assault. ;-)
> INNER LIGHT PUBLICATIONS
> BOX 753, NEW BRUNSWICK
> NEW JERSEY 08903
>
> Has anyone ever heard of either this "book" or the publisher?
I think Beckley is connected with the publishing company, or may be
the publisher. As far as his credibility, I have no idea.
jbh
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From: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Date: 29 May 90 01:07:00 GMT
Don: I never heard of Francie; maybe Jim Speiser will have that bit of
gossip for us. Arcturus Books is at: P.O. Box 831383 Stone Mountain,
Georgia 30083-0023. -- John
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From: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: Stealth/Area 51
Date: 5 Jun 90 01:13:00 GMT
Tim: The passage from Gonsalves' article which you quoted is exactly
what I was talking about. I seem to recall a few other similar points
on which he bases his hypothesis which were directly refuted by
accounts reported in _Night Siege_. Additionally, there was the
incident wherein a man employed by Perkin Elmer (who was involved in
the construction of the space telescope) saw the HVUFO sitting on the
ground. A Graylien then stopped his car, "abducted" him and examined
the man's head with some type of machine onboard. There is just too
much about the HVUFO events that must be ignored in order to accept the
UFO/B2 hypothesis. Nevertheless, Bob Oeschsler (sp?) is also big on
the UFO/B2 idea these days and it doesn't seem like the type of thing
that will "blow over" very quickly. -- John
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From: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: Fido UFO
Date: 5 Jun 90 01:18:00 GMT
Don: I just can't justify spending lots of money to go to Florida in
*JULY* ! So I'm saving all my money to go to the '91 MUFON symposium.
Guess where it's going to be? <hint:> 2 gallons of gas will get me
there and back for both days. -- John
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From: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: Recent Developments
Date: 5 Jun 90 01:56:00 GMT
More recent developments: According to CUFOS, The TODAY show on NBC
will be covering the Roswell crash on its July 7 show. They've already
shot some interview footage. -- John
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From: Kurt.Lochner@f42.n1011.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Re: Inside Edition
Date: 5 Jun 90 17:39:00 GMT
JD Was it clear from the article that Teller understood why he
JD was being asked about Lazar and if so were there any
JD questions to Teller concerning the goings on in Area 51?
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JD AZ (1:114/37.0)
No, it wasn't clear. They showed pieces of that interview, but they
simply voiced over it. Nothing but an implied visit with Teller
concerning Lazar, nothing to substantiate a court order about.
>From the rest of the show, I've arrived at the conclusion that
these craft that Lazar is yapping about are NOT using anything
out of reach of our civilization's technology. Consider...
1. There have been reports of potassium chloride/chlorate
around CE-III sitings.
2. Micheal Faraday used silver chloride with ammonia to provide
some of the background work on heat powered refrigeration
cycles.
So here's what I'm thinking that these craft are powered by,
and it seems needfully elegent. There's a hydrogen fueled
heat source on board these craft. The heat output goes into
a ammonia/water system fluid, expands into the flat plate.
Within this flat plate there are several hundred impellers
that are also magnetic. These magnets spin within a confined
space surrounded by some kind of thin film conductors, provide
electricity and have a different gyroscopic quality when
considered as a whole system. The appendages/"waveguides"
are nothing more than mechanical systems that appear to me to
have something to do with the precessional forces present. outta
time, write me back.....
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