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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 250
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 250
Friday, June 22nd 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: Triangular UFO?
Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Re: Stealth/Area 51
Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
New User
Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Re: Ed Walters/Gulf Breeze
Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Re: More Ill Breeze
Billy Goodman's Radio Show
Robertson Panel Tab A
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: Re: Triangular UFO?
Date: 17 Jun 90 18:18:01 GMT
> That's not true.
Well, that's what he said, but as to what he actually meant, I don't
know.
jbh
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Date: 17 Jun 90 18:23:02 GMT
> ParaNet is not yelling "Hoax," Jim Speiser is. As to why Bruce
> takes the stand he does, you'll have to ask him. Specifically,
> ask him why he is so willing to ignore negative evidence. (I
> have; his answer was because of the weight of the positive
> evidence. In other words, he does not deny the existence of
> negative evidence).
He said, and I agree with him, that Ed's pictures certainly may be
a hoax that we haven't figured out yet. A couple of the pictures are
real brain- benders to try to figure out a feasible hoax process,
especially the Shoreline Park picture I mentioned. A model just won't
work here.
jbh
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: Re: Stealth/Area 51
Date: 17 Jun 90 18:23:03 GMT
> Also, it emitted so much radiation that it was really dangerous,
> esp. if
> it were to not work, and crash somewhere...
Yeah. I also read that someone suggested that they just *fly* it
over Russia.
jbh
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Date: 18 Jun 90 08:36:00 GMT
JB>..I think Dr. Bruce has a lot more at stake in this case than Ed does.
JB> If it's ever exposed as a hoax, Macabee will end up looking like a real
JB> pinhead. Let's face it, he's already past the point of no return.
JB> He can't do a 180 on this case without hurting his credibility.
Could be...but Bruce has put *alot* on the line with this case..
-Why stake your entire reputation on a case UNLESS you really
believe in it?
-Forget about ED and Willy Smith for a minute..Forget about all
the alleged improprieties with MUFON..forget all the back-and-forth
stuff about hoaxed photos...
That STILL leaves *other* eye witnessess...has ANYONE bothered
to follow up on THEM?????
-Don Allen-
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Date: 18 Jun 90 09:35:00 GMT
JS> Admittedly. I don't know what was going through Smith's head, but it sure
JS> was a bonehead maneuver. Are you going to let that incident determine
JS> this case for you?
Not at all..but that element fiqures in pretty strong..I was
just noting it.
JS> The closest we've come to an investigator was when John Hicks went to the
JS> NUFOC and talked at length with the principals. His excellent report
JS> appeared here a week ago. I saw nothing in that report, however, to change
JS> my mind. As an entity, ParaNet has no investigators, and no "opinion."
JS> Each of us speaks for ourselves. (We'd like to develop a team of official
JS> investigators, but that costs money to do correctly, and apparently that's
JS> not in the cards at this time). My opinion is based on the available
JS> photos, and the opinions of some experts Mike and I and others have been in
JS> contact with.
Ok,but wait..what about Robert Klinn? I thought he...on never
mind..it HAS been a rough 3 months. Let me ask you Jim..have
you ever talked to anyone *other* than Mr Ed, in Gulfbreeze
who has seen the same phenomena?
JS> Suffice it to say that it is not unknown in UFO history for a hoax
JS> sighting to precipitate a rash of near-hysterical, "me-too" sightings by
JS> otherwise sincere, honest folk. Its been PROVEN to happen, by an experiment
JS> conducted in England a few years back.
Granted..but what have over 100 people have to GAIN by doing so?
-Again..the issue as it seems to me is..WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER PEOPLE
WHO HAVE WITNESSED SIGHTINGS??????
If you forget about Ed..forget about the controversy over the
photos..you still are left with quite a few people who HAVE
seen something. Are we to wave THEM aside and call Mr Ed a
hoaxter? Who stands to benefit from calling this a HOAX?
John Hicks posted a few weeks back, something about a buoy
marker off the Gulf of Mexico that wasn't even on the deep
water charts..hmmmmm...I smell a deep water rat here..
What would it take for me to consider this a hoax?
- Bruce Maccabee to come out and say that he KNEW all along
What I would consider for GB to be a hoax:
- Mr Ed to come right out and say it.
- ALL the witnessess to have been engaged in active hoaxing.
- The photos are explained without a shadow of a doubt as to
HOW they were created so masterfully.
I can accept that Ed was pulling our leg all along.. I can
even accept that he pulled MUFON's leg as well. I can accept
that he got some really EXPERT photographer to have hoaxed
the photos. He would have HAD to as Ed is a real FUTZ with
a camera (ask John).
I do,however, have a really difficult time of swallowing
the party line that it was ALL a Hoax. Re-reading your
messages, I couldn't help but notice your off-hand remarks
about how you view MUFON's credibility in all this.
It's my opinion, that we should ignore Ed, and instead
concentrate on all those witnesses..to me THAT is where
we shoulda been looking all along. I feel that there IS
a real phenomena in all of this and the "dog and pony"
show around Ed Walters is detracting away it. To yell
hoax at this point,without going through ALL the motions
is premature to say the least.
I certainly haven't heard anyone yell HOAX over the
800+ sightings in Brussels yet.
What does it take to put this dog to rest? Hardcopy
film or video (of course,there's bound to be those
who will say ALL the film and videos have been hoaxed).
You tell me..maybe we can work out something as I only
live a good 4 or so hours drive away from GB, and I
like you want to know for sure.
-Don Allen-
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From: paranet!p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Frances.Jones
Subject: New User
Date: 12 Jun 90 20:43:13 GMT
In a message of <09 Jun 90 23:49:02>, John Hicks (1:363/29) writes:
> One BBS to call is a Fidonet board in Daytona Beach. The Batcave
>904-258-9022. The sysop is Forrest Egan, who's in my local net. Couldn't
>find a net board in New Smyrna though.
> If she's interested in ParaNet I could probably cajole Forrest into
>joining up.
> jbh
Thanks. My brother is up here now from that same area and he, also, is
interested in becoming a user.
Thanks for the info and I will be typing at you later.
FJ
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Date: 20 Jun 90 01:31:00 GMT
OK, Don, you're on.
Get just one - I repeat, JUST ONE - photo of an Ed-like object from ANYONE who
is willing to go on record with their real name as having taken the photo, and
who has no obvious ties to Ed Walters. Surely, with so many witnesses, with Ed
having so many photo opportunities, there must be ONE legit photo outside of
his sphere of influence.
Send it to me and I'll submit it for evaluation to a seasoned photoanalyst
(whose name I may have to provide you in private mail).
Jim
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Ed Walters/Gulf Breeze
Date: 20 Jun 90 02:56:00 GMT
RE: the Shoreline Park polaroids
I thought that that picture was of some fuzzy light? Is it of
something indentifable?
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Date: 20 Jun 90 03:03:00 GMT
I may have missed something, but as I recall the only person who seems
to have any photos that are detailed enough to amount to anything more
then fuzzy lights is Mr. Ed. So there are 100 other people who got
caught up in the excitment of looking at lights in the sky, they may
all be perfectly honest and perfectly mistaken. I has happened before
with rocket/satelite rentries. When Mr. Ed had to use a truely
dificult to hoax camera setup, the Nimslo 35 mm, he was not able to do
any better then some extremely fuzzy shots of some lights and they
didn't look anything like the "classic" GB light patterns. With that
camera he suddenly "discovered" a new shape of UFO. Funny how that
worked out. In my mind the totallity of the evidence simply adds up to
hoax, there are just to many inconsistancies in the "evidence" and too
many things about the photos don't ring true to my eyeball.
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka
Subject: Re: More Ill Breeze
Date: 19 Jun 90 20:38:47 GMT
But how are we to get scientists/science involved. Most scientists are
notoriously conservative as far as making statements on anything. Even
if they were to begin studying the evidence, it would be years before
they attempted to make any kind of statement concerning the UFO
phenomenon. Most scientists won't even discuss the topic of UFOs for
fear of ridicule by their peers, which in turn would ruin their
credibility. To get science seriously interested in the investigation
of UFO phenomena, would require a collective attitude adjustment of the
entire scientific community, and I don't think that is going to happen
for a long time. Which means, it is up to the lay people to gather the
information and just do the best they can, and hope that somewhere out
there, there are still some pioneers, such as Jacques Vallee, who are
willing to take a chance.
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From: paranet!f1.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Billy Goodman's Radio Show
Date: 20 Jun 90 01:16:00 GMT
> From: Jim Shaffer Jr <72750.2335@compuserve.com>
>
> Does anyone know of any radio stations in or near
> Pennsylvania that are
> going to broadcast Billy Goodman's radio show? I'd need to
> know the
> frequencies, because I can't imagine any stations that I
> listen to on
> a regular basis carrying it. Any info. anyone could give
> me would be
> greatly appreciated.
I have not heard that anyone will be doing this. The last that I
heard was that Goodman failed in getting a satellite feed for his
syndicated program.
He is back on the air at KVEG in Las Vegas in a limited capacity.
The arrangement that I have heard about is that he is now doing
an entertainment show about happenings around the Las Vegas area.
He is highly restricted in his ability to broadcast discussion
regarding UFOs.
Mike
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From: paranet!f1.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Robertson Panel Tab A
Date: 20 Jun 90 01:22:00 GMT
DATE OF UPLOAD: June 18, 1990
ORIGIN OF UPLOAD: ParaNet Administration/Los Angeles, CA
CONTRIBUTED BY:
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The following file contains what appears to be Tab A of the
findings of the Robertson Panel in 1953. The Robertson Panel was
a highly controversial meeting which was conducted under the
veil of a scientific panel, however it was later reported that
the Central Intelligence Agency actually conducted and possibly
influenced the panel's findings, and that the whole purpose was
mainly for the benefit of public relations.
Although the document appears to be authentic, ParaNet strongly
advises that the reader of this document take into consideration
the possibility that it is a fake consistent with the rumors that
have circulated among the UFO community over the years that the
CIA actually released a "dummy" document to conceal the real
findings of the panel.
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TAB A
1. Motion Pictures, Trementon, Utah
This case involves the sighting and photographing
(Kodachrome Film) of ten bright lights moving across the sky on 2
July 1952 in rough formation. Source is a Chief Photographer's
Mate, USN, with 17 years photographic experience. The local time
was 1110; weather conditions bright, clear, no clouds. Objects
appeared to be "milling about" while traveling in a westerly
direction across the sky. Source was driving along the road when
the sighting occurred. He stopped the car and photographed the
event with his personal camera. Toward the end of the sighting,
one object separated from the rest and reversed course across the
sky.
Status: ATIC Photographic Laboratory examination of the film
resulted in following conclusions:
a. 10 objects, all alike in movement and size.
b. Decidedly improbable that they are birds or
balloons.
c. Exact nature cannot be determined, because they are
visible only as small spots of light. It can be deduced,
however, that they are either non-spherical in shape and similar
to bright metal in reflectance or else variably self-luminous.
Objects which follow similar courses show similar brightness
fluctuations which could be caused by their taking similar flight
attitudes.
d. Apparently a coordination of movement to some
extent among these objects. They seem to move in formations
which are probably 3-dimensional in arrangement.
e. The movements suggest flight paths consisting of
skew curves in space.
f. The single object which reversed course remained
reasonably uniform in brightness. It followed a nearly straight
line path with reasonable uniformity of motion at an angular
velocity of about 2.1 degrees per second. (This is equivalent to
the following speeds: 37 mph @ 500 yards; 75 mph @ 1000 yards;
375 mph @ 5000 yards; 758 mph @ 10,000 yards; etc.).
g. It would probably be extremely difficult to
imitate this photography for fraudulent purposes.
This film is currently under examination by the U.S. Navy Photo
Interpretation Laboratory, Anacostia. Estimated completion date:
15 January 1953.
2. Bright Light sighted from Presque Isle and Limestone Air
Force Bases, [unknown]
This sighting occurred the night of 10-11 October 1952 from
2300 to 0300 local time, by observers at the weather stations at
these Air Force Bases. The description of the light was
"circular orange object with four green lights nearby."
Theodolites sightings of elevation and azimuth were obtained.
Weather was clear.
Status: A comparison of observed azimuths and elevations of the
supposed object with the calculated position and relative motion
of the planet Jupiter leave little doubt that the observed object
was actually Jupiter.
3. Reported Sightings of a Strange Object in Florida
This sighting was reported by a Boy Scoutmaster to have
occurred at 2150 local time on 19 August 1952 near West Palm
Beach, Florida. According to the story given, the source was
driving along deserted road in his car, together with four Boy
Scouts. Sighting a strange light, source stopped the car,
cautioned the boys to wait, and entered the palmetto undergrowth
alone. When he did not return in a few minutes, and witnessing
some strange lights in the vicinity of the scoutmaster, the boys
went for help, returning with a deputy sheriff. The scoutmaster
appeared, badly firghtened, slightly burned on the forearms. His
story was that he had seen a large curcular object about eight
feet over his head which had released a "fire ball" which
descended on him. He stated that he had thrown himself upon the
ground and "blacked out." There were various other [unknown] to
the story. His cap was burned slightly and samples of grass
taken from the immediate vicinity of the "sighting" differed
strangely in appearance from samples 75 yards away.
Status: The background of the source indicates an unsavory
personal reputation and criminal record, resulting in the belief
that the report may have been an elaborate hoax. However, the
unusual condition of the grass samples is currently unexplained.
This fact, together with other aspects of the case, leave final
determination in doubt at this time.
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END TAB A DOCUMENT
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ParaNet note: The following text is taken from an attachment of
the Robertson Panel Tab A document. It was included in the FOIA
release and contains a memorandum for record dated 16 May 1958.
It should be considered in the same way as the previous document.
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16 May 1958
MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT: Meeting with Air Force Personnel Concerning Scientific
Advisory Panel Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, dated 17
January 1953 (Secret)
1. A meeting was convened this date eiwht representatives
of the Air Force to discuss what steps should be taken concerning
the subject report in order to take care of inquiries such as the
letters written by Mr. Leon Davidson. Mr. Davidson has been most
insistent upon getting the entire report released. The full
report is classified "Secret." A declassified version is
available, a copy of which was given to Mr. Davidson.
The following personnel were at the meeting:
Mr. Philip G. Strong DAD/C/SI, CIA
Major Joseph E. Boland SAF LL-3
Major James F. Byrne AFCIN-XIA
Major Lawrence J. Tacker SAFIS
Dr. A. Francis Arcier ATIC
Mr. George Cary Legislative Counsel, CIA
Mr. W. E. Lexow OSI, CIA
3. Paragraph 3 of the report cites examples of actions
that could be taken by an enemy with possibly dangerous
consequences to national security. This is the principal reason
that the entire reason the report cannot be declassified. This
was agreed to in the meeting. In addition, it was pointed out by
Mr. Strong that several of the panel members specifically
requested that while they had no objection to their names being
used in connection with this report, they did not want their
names connected to the Central Intelligence Agency. So far it is
believed that all connections between the panel members and CIA
have been made by unofficial personnel.
4. In dealing specifically with Mr. Davidson it was
agreed that Major Tacker would answer for the DCI at the same
time that he was answering for the Air Forces. (Mr. Davidson
sent a copy of his letter to Major Tacker to the DCI for a
response.)
5. Mr. Strong pointed out that perhaps the best way to
forestall any future inquiries along these lines was to put out a
press release covering the subject of unidentified flying
objects, utilizing the panel report as much as possible. Major
Boland agreed that this was perhaps the best way to handle it,
inasmuch as in his capacity of Legilsative Liaison, it would best
satisfy congressional requirements. Major Tacker will draft an
Air Force press release, clearing it through the various sections
of the Air Force, and will then submit it to Mr. Cary for Agency
review, Mr. Cary will consult with the Office of Security, Mr.
Strong and the undersigned when he receives the draft press
release.
6. The Air Force representatives believe that much of
the trouble they have been having with Major Keyhoe along these
same lines could be alleviated if the Major did not have such
important personages as Vice Admiral R. H. Hillenkoetter, USN
(ret.), former DCI, on the board of governors of his
organization. They suggested that perhaps if the Admiral was
shown the Secret panel report he would understand and take
appropriate actions. Mr. Cary said that he would relate this
suggestion to Mr. Houston (General Counsel).
7. Major Boland suggested that it might be advisable
to contact the panel members to consider a rewording of th epanel
report somewhat along the lines that Dr. Menzel suggested in his
letter to all the members of the panel. Dr. Menzel has received
the unclassified version from Mr. Leon Davidson. Mr. Strong
feels that this may be inadvisable at the present time, inasmuch
as the report has already been made available to thge public and
any change may arouse suspicion. However, he will contact Dr.
Roberston and disucss this.
Signed
W. E. Lexow
Chief, Applied Science Division, SI
Distribution:
Orig - DAD/C/SI
2 - ASD/SI
1 - Mr. Chapin (Ass'n to the DCI)
1 - Mr. Cary (Leg. Counsel)
1 - SO/SI ([blanked out] Office of Security)
OSI/ASD/WELexow: gl/682
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END OF DOCUMENT
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ParaNet Note: The folowing document was released under the
Freedom of Information Act. It was contained in the same package
as the previous material. As before, we do not represent that
the information contained is accurate.
The documents lists various people who attended an Intelligence
Advisory Committee meeting to deal with the UFO problem.
According to information gleaned from the document, it appears
that the meeting was number 90 in a series of meetings of this
committee. This does not necessarily mean that the meetings were
specifically regarding UFOs, however we are attempting to get
information on this. It is further interesting to note the
number of CIA personnel in attendence, indicating that
information that has been passed along over the years that the
UFO problem was highly regarded by the CIA.
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Security Information
IAC-M-90
4 December 1952
INTELLIGENCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Minutes of Meeting held in Director's Conference Room,
Administration Building, Central Intelligence Agency on 4
December 1952.
Acting Deputy Director (Intelligence)
Central Intelligence Agency
Mr. Robert Amory, Jr.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Mr. W. Park Armstrong, Jr., Special Assistant, Intelligence
Department of State
Brigadier General John M. Willems, acting for Assistant Chief of
Staff, G-2, Department of the Army
Rear Admiral Carl F. Espe, Director of Naval Intelligence,
Department of the Navy
Major General John A. Samford, Director of Intelligence,
Headquarters, United States Air Force
Dr. Walter F. Colby, Director of Intelligence, Atomic Energy
Commission
Brigadier General Edward H. Porter Deputy Director for
Intelligence, The Joint Staff
Mr. Meffert W. Kuhrtz, acting for Assistant to the Director,
Federal Bureau of Investigation
ALSO PRESENT
Dr. Sherman Kent, Central Intelligence Agency
Dr. H. Marshall Chadwell, Central Intelligence Agency
Mr. Paul Borel, Central Intelligence Agency
Mr. Ludwell L. Montague, Central Intelligence Agency
Mr. Philip Strong, Central Intelligence Agency
Mr. Joseph W. Smith, Central Intelligence Agency
Mr. William C. Trueheart, Department of State
Mr. Miron Burgin, Department of State
Lieutenant Colonel T. C. Anderson, Department of the Army
Lieutenant Colonel Edgar H. Thomson, Jr., Department of the Army
Colonel John J. Morrow, United States Air Force
Colonel Jack E. Thomas, United States Air Force
Lieutenant Colonel Thomas J. Grant, United States Air Force
Colonel S. M. Lansing, The Joint Staff
Captain John A. Holbrook, USN, The Joint Staff
Richard D. Drain, Acting Secretary
Declassified per sec 3(A), E011652
Approved for release 207789
Date 6 Ocotber 1978
Approval of Mintues
1. Action: The minutes of the last meeting, 1 December
1952 (IAC-M-89), were approved.
Conditions and Trends in Latin
America Affecting U.S. Security
(NIE-70)
2. Action: Approved with minor modifications.
Unidentified Flying Objects
3. Action: The Director of Central Intelligence will:
a. Enlist the services of selected scientists to
review and appraise the available evidence in the light of
pertinent scientific theories.
b. Draft and circulate to the IAC a proposed NSCID,
which would sifnigy IAC concern in the subject and authorize
coordination with appropriate non-IAC departments and agencies.
4. Discussion: The acting Chariman, Mr. Amory, presented
to the committee the DCI's request that this subject be
informally discussed. Dr. Chadwell briefly reviewed the evidence
and peripheral considerations, and noted that most of the
available evidence is processed by ATIC. General Samford
offerred his full cooperation. It was recognized that he problem
is best approached if directly related to specific problems of
intelligence and defense. It was thought desirable that the
action noted above under "a" be undertaken immediately, with
consideration of a proposed NSCID to depend in some measure on
the results achieved by the scientist's studies.
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