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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 245
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 245
Friday, June 15th 1990
Today's Topics:
Lazar
Re: THEM (Bill Gorman)
Ed Walter's Implication
Re: GB Video
Gulf Breeze model found?
Miscellanea
ParaNet Alpha Back Online!
My Questionaire Answers
Questionnaire
My answers to the questionaire...
New User
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From: postmaster
Subject: Lazar
Date: 12 Jun 90 23:16:16 GMT
>From: 23BMSDO <23bmsdo@sacemnet.af.mil>
------Jim Delton-------
I would like to thank you for comment about Mr Lazar in a recent
posting. Glad to see someone is thinking.....
David Winters
ps. If you only knew how accurate.....
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From: postmaster
Subject: Re: THEM (Bill Gorman)
Date: 13 Jun 90 02:11:13 GMT
>From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Bill:
I tend to discount the idea of cosmic sightseers based on a lot of the
material. As for the military aspect, I think that you might be in the
right ball park there. Please note my qualifier--might. Anything we
say about UFOs is usually speculation. We don't know for sure that
these craft come from another planet.
But I have thought about the military aspects of some of the observed
UFO behavior. Then I have to ask what military advantage is there in a
backwater planet of the galaxy? Well, maybe plenty if there is a real
war going on somewhere out there (again, I want to reiterate that we
don't know that they come from elsewhere). As you pointed out, we used
backwater islands in the Pacific for staging areas and airbases during
WWII.
Now let me take a real flight of fancy for a moment. I will grant
anyone that none of what I'm about to say is fact. Rather it is the
speculation of an active mind and imagination.
I have heard more than one respected authority say that the development
of modern man came very rapidly--a bit too rapidly. The sudden
development of our brain is without easy explanation. So here is where
I start. Suppose a race of beings--or couple of races on friendly
terms--comes to Earth in our dim history. They find an evolving species
of hairy animals and test them. They, the aliens, find that this
species of animals is just what they've been looking for and begin to
manipulate the genes.
This process occurs over several millennia. Then one day, while on a
return visit to finish the project, they genetically engineer the genes
to produce a rapid growth of the brain. Further, they encode into the
genes a 'program' that at some future date will begin unlocking the full
potential of those brains. Then they leave.
Now some several thousands of years later, these aliens are back waiting
for the 'program' to start taking effect. They pick up a few of the
now hairless animals and test them to determine the progress of the
genetic engineering and coding they've done. They make some minor
adjustments here and there to some of the abductees.
When not doing this, they are doing other things. But mainly they are
waiting. Waiting for what!? Glad you asked. Waiting for a race of
beings that they can use as mercenaries and 'pathfinders' in the further
exploration of the universe. Not that we should be thrilled with this
since it will be at their beck and call.
Again, this was only a flight of fancy--pure speculation. I tried to
pull in some of the things I know and fit them together. Still, UFOs
elude me. I don't think that we will know much about them until we get
our (we/our means us, the public) on one, and the possible occupants.
So what'cha think?
Gene Gross
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From: postmaster
Subject: Ed Walter's Implication
Date: 13 Jun 90 16:42:44 GMT
>From: uunet!sparta!esanborn@ncar.UCAR.EDU (Edward Sanborn)
The following small news brief appeared in the Monday, June 11, 1990
edition of the Boston Herald. I have NOT checked the story out but since
I really haven't had time in the last day or so to check it out I figured I'd
post it to the net to get the word out. I must say, I met Ed when he was on
his book tour as he came through the Boston area. I found Ed to be quite
amiable. I appeared on a local talk show with him (heck, I'm open minded, I
didn't appear as a Gulf Breeze spokesperson anyway, just giving my local
MassMufon two cents worth) and he handled a phone in by Phil Klass very well.
He was informed moments before the airing of the show (The Good Day Show with
host Eileen Prost) that Phil was going to be calling in. He almost didn't
go on air because he didn't want to take part in a format which catered to
a skeptics forum, especially Phil Klass because he knows that Phil will
sometimes revert to personal attacks to accomplish the task at hand - casting
doubt on a case which he has very little counter evidence against.
Either way, I try not to subscribe to either side of the coin when it comes
to Gulf Breeze - at least not publicly. This is a profoundly complex case.
The parts that still leave a huge amount of doubt/suspicion on my mind are
those wonderful double exposure looking polaroids and the fact that only one
photographer (with a publicly known identity) has come out with them. Then
of course we have the myriad of other witnesses in the area. Whatever is
going on it's safe to say it isn't all a hoax.
The News/Brief:
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MODEL UFO found in Fla. home
Pensacola, Fla. __ A model flying saucer made of foam plates reportedly has
been found in the former residence of a man whose UFO photographs two years
ago focused worlwide attention on sightings in Florida.
Ed Walter's, 43, who wrote a book about his supposed encounters with aliens
and their paralyzer rays, insisted he knows nothing about the model
'unidentified flying object' or how it got in the attic of his former res-
idence.
The Pensacola News Journal printed several pictures yesterday taken by staff
photographers who used the model to show what appear to be UFO's flying above
treetops and a house. Walters conceded the photos arew similar to the ones
he took in 1987.
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That's it. Very short, and I'm not inclined to comment too much more until I
call the appropriate parties. Thought everyone would like to see it first.
I'm fascinated to see that this was picked up by one of the national wire\
services. BTW, the source simply states 'Compiled from wire reports' and is
alongside two other national interest stories originating in the Soviet Union,
and a crime related story from New York. INTERESTING that this negative
article has been carried when I don't really remember any newspaper type
publicity about the case when it was gaining 'worlwide positive attention'.
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From: postmaster
Subject: Re: GB Video
Date: 13 Jun 90 16:43:05 GMT
>From: gatech!mcnc.org!convex!swarren (Steve Warren)
Jim.Delton said:
-+There is something on almost all those GB photos that just doesn't ring
-+true. On a great many of them, there are reflections of lights that in
-+my experiance are a rarity on photos and videos, but Walters seems to
-+be plagued by them judging by the videos and photos he takes. [...]
If you suspect that the video was stopped and started to get the results
this can be checked by examining the actual video track on the original
tape. If the camera was stopped and restarted there will be a discontinuity
in the video track. Only extremely expensive professional video equipment
is able to connect two scenes without any discontinuity in the video track.
If the individual who made the video owns or has recently rented such
equipment this would be suspicious behavior.
_.
--Steve ._||__ DISCLAIMER: All opinions are my own.
v\ *| ----------------------------------------------
V {uunet,sun}!convex!swarren; swarren@convex.COM
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From: postmaster
Subject: Gulf Breeze model found?
Date: 13 Jun 90 20:45:13 GMT
>From: Gary Knight <GARY@maximillion.cp.mcc.com>
I just heard from my wife, who is vacationing at Navarre Beach,
Florida, just down the road from Gulf Breeze, that the local paper
had an article saying that a model of the Gulf Breeze UFO had been
found in the Walters' attic!! She's bringing the clipping back, and I'll
post it in full in a week or so, but in the meantime does anyone know
anything about this?
Gary
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Miscellanea
Date: 12 Jun 90 05:11:00 GMT
>CM> I've heard this explained as a "Human Quadripole Gravity Antenna".
>CM> And this is the method ostensibly used by the Egyptians to build
>CM> their pyramids [except I don't believe this].
RM>It's a rather ancient trick, and I helped Indian magician B. Premanand
RM>do it when he was out here in the San Francisco Bay Area.
How amusing for you! Did B. Premanand tell you how it worked? Maybe you
could bottle it and sell it to Arianespace! It seems about as reliable as
their present second-stage separations.
RM>The "pyramid" claim is a nice touch. I like that.
RM>
RM>Best Regards,
RM>Rick M.
Glad you like it, Rick. It works best on people who haven't read Tacitus,
Suetonius or Livy.
By the way, Mr. Klass' riposte to the University of Nebraska intimidation
controvery was most interesting.
Perhaps we could begin an examination of the facts of these ugly
allegations with a copy of the tape Mr. Klass said he made of the phone
conversations?
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!f0.n9.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: ParaNet Alpha Back Online!
Date: 14 Jun 90 02:01:00 GMT
ParaNet Alpha will be back online beginning Sunday, June 17th.
The new data number will be 714-985-0666.
Mike
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From: paranet!f0.n9.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: My Questionaire Answers
Date: 14 Jun 90 02:02:00 GMT
* Forwarded from Uucp, 209/722
* Originally to Michael Corbin
* Originally dated 02 Jun 90 1:24:04
>From scicom!ncar!csi.compuserve.com!mtg
>From: MTG@CSI.CompuServe.COM (<MTG@CSI.CompuServe.COM>)
To: <MCORBIN@PARANET.FIDONET.ORG>
Date: 01 Jun 90 16:37:48 EDT
You didn't make it clear where this should be sent to...
I'll send it to you directly, and if you'd like it to go out
over the net you're welcome to post it there; I don't mind.
- Mark G.
>For each of the statements shown below, please indicate the
>degree to which you feel the statement to be either true or
>false:
>-------------------------------------------------------
>1. Some flying saucers have tried to communicate with us.
3. Probably True.
>2. All UFO reports can be explained either as well understood
>happenings or as hoaxes.
1. Definitely False. Many happenings (UFO and otherwise) don't
fit into our understanding of things; I think Forte's _Book Of
The Damned_ makes this point quite well and I agree with it.
>3. The Air Force has done an adequate job of investigation of
>UFO reports and UFOs generally.
1. Definitely False, as long as "investigating" includes "reporting
the correct results of the investigation".
>4. No actual, physical evidence has ever been obtained from a UFO.
2. Probably False.
>5. A government agency maintains a Top Secret file of UFO
>reports that are deliberately withheld from the public.
3. Probably True.
>6. No airline pilots have seen UFOs.
1. Definitely False; I don't believe all such Flying Objects have been
Identified.
>7. Most people would not report seeing a UFO for fear of losing a job.
4. Definitely True.
>8. No authentic photographs have ever been taken of UFOs.
2. Probably False.
>9. Persons who believe they have communicated with visitors
>from outer space are mentally ill.
2. Probably False.
>10. The Air Force was told to explain all UFO sightings
>reported to them as natural or man-made happenings or events.
3. Probably True.
>11. Earth has been visited at least once in its history by
>beings from another world.
3. Probably True. But what do you mean, "visit"? Walked on the
surface? Landed? Orbited?
>12. The government should spend more money than it does now to
>study what UFOs are and where they come from.
1. Definitely False; they'd just squander it away and claim negative
results. Besides, I'm not so sure they don't have the answers already.
>13. Intelligent forms of life cannot exist elsewhere in the universe.
2. Probably False. I want to say "Definitely", but I've seen no
facts to support alien life, probable though it seems.
>14. Flying saucers can be explained scientifically without any
>important new discoveries.
1. Definitely False.
>15. Some UFOs have landed and left marks in the ground.
3. Probably True. These may or may not be markings we've found
"recently" (in the last century, or millenium, or post-history).
>16. Most UFOs are due to secret defense projects, either ours
>or another country's.
3. Probably True, but I'm really borderline on this one. I don't
have a clear inkling just *what* they are.
>17. UFOs are reported throughout the world.
4. Definitely True, just not publicized equally throughout.
>18. The government has done a good job of examining UFO reports.
4. Examining? Definitely True on examination ONLY. :)
>19. There have never been any UFO sightings in the Soviet Union.
4. Definitely True.
>20. People want to believe that life exists elsewhere than on Earth.
4. Definitely True. The idea may be repugnant to many at first, but
I really think that deep down people know it's good for them.
>21. There have been good radar reports of UFOs.
4. Definitely True.
>22. There is no government secrecy about UFOs.
1. Definitely False. I've seen enough government secrecy to know that
they have a lot of secrecy about EVERYTHING.
>23. People have seen space ships that have not come from this planet.
3. Probably True.
>24. Some UFO reports have come from astronomers.
4. Definitely True. What's an "astronomer"? A telescope owner? Anyone
who looks up?
>25. Even the most unusual UFO report could be explained by the
>laws of science if we knew enough about science.
3. Probably True. I don't know what we have yet to learn about
science, though. :)
>26. People who do *not* believe in flying saucers must be stupid.
1. Definitely False. What is "stupid"? Even still, that's just an
opinion, and I'll let people have their own.
>27. UFO reports have not been taken seriously by any government agency.
1. Definitely False. The Air Force took them seriously enough to
start blithering to the public about them and their subsequent
investigations. Do the agencies believe them? That's another question.
>28. Government secrecy about UFOs is an idea made up by newspapers.
2. Probably False. Who knows who started it? There's always skeptics.
>29. Science has established that there are such things as
>"Unidentified Flying Objects."
3. Probably True. I don't know if I agree that science has proven
this... to be an "Unidentified Flying Object" it just has to have
no satisfactory explanation utilizing the laws and facts we know
currently.
>30. Abduction reports are the result of hallucinations.
2. Probably False, but I'm really very borderline on this. I'd
prefer to abstain from answering at all.
>Finally, what do you believe UFOs to be?
Just what it stands for -- an Unidentified Flying Object. It could
be an atmospheric oddity, it could be an alien craft, it could be
something entirely different. I haven't seen enough proof to push
me either way. I would like to find out that they are indeed visitors
or aliens, but I haven't yet. Many want to display them as entirely
explainable, but their persistence and the explanations and the
public's refusal to believe the explanations force me not to merely
accept UFOs as nothing out of the ordinary.
- Mark G.
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From: paranet!f0.n9.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Questionnaire
Date: 14 Jun 90 02:02:00 GMT
* Forwarded from Uucp, 209/722
* Originally to Michael Corbin
* Originally dated 02 Jun 90 23:23:14
>From scicom!ncar!violet.berkeley.edu!chalmers
>From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)
To: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 90 14:10:56 PDT
Mike: I enjoyed answering the UFO questionnaire, but I had some problems with
some of the the phrasing.
1. Answer=2
2. Answer=1
3. Answer=2
4. Answer=3
5. Answer=2
6. Answer=1
7. Answer=3 Ambiguous question. Report to whom? Co-workers,
Police,
Governement?
8. Answer=2 Badly worded question: authentic in reference to which
model of
UFOs? Does authentic mean pictures ofextraterestrial vehicles,
paranormal
visitations, or merely honest and non- fabricated?
9. Answer=1. Badly worded question: as phrased, the question
implies a negative value judgement. A social worker friend has
informed me
that there are many personality traits which might
lead to non-veridical reports of communication. These traits are
not necesarily indicative of mental illness and do not require
clinical intervention.
10. Answer=1 I believe that a residual category of unexplained was
reported
by Blue Book. The question is ambiguous as it implies
either that no one in the AF admitted any unexplained sightings or
else the
Blue Book people disobeyed orders. Told when?
11. Answer=2 The Microchloranthropogenetic theory is a viable, if
non-parsimonious and question-begging, alternative to the Judaeo-
Xian-Islamic
genesis myths. I am unconvinced by any more contemporary evidence for
contact.
12. Answer=2 I dont know how much is being spent and what kind of
research projects have been proposed on which to spend the money.
Merely
throwing money at problems seldom solves them.
13. Answer=1.
14. Answer=2. This question is ambiguous as important is undefined.
15. Answer=2.
16. Answer=1
17. Answer=4
18. Answer=2
19. Answer=1
20. Answer=3 People are undefined. I think most educated
Americans want to believe in life elswhere. Many fundamentalists
reject the
idea.
21. Answer=4 This is also a model-dependent question
22. Answer=2 Current or past ?
23. Answer=2
24. Answer=4
25. Answer=4 By definition! Are you implying that UFOs will
always be an inexplicable mystery?
26. Answer=1
27. Answer=1
28. Answer=1
29. Answer=3 This question is poorly phrased and model-dependent.
30. Answer=1 Poorly phrased question. Reports could be due to many
factors
including dreams, induced fantasizing, true hallucinations and/or real
events.
Finally, what do you believe UFOs to be?
I believe that they are a mixture of many types of physical and
psychological
events. Some of these may be truly new and unknown phenomena, while others
will
turn out to have explanations mundane by current knowledge. I would like to
believe in the physical and extraterrestrial origin hypotheses, but the
evidence
does not convince
me.
As I am rather agnostic about most of UFOlogy, I found it hard to
answer some
of the questions. Im looking forward to seeing the results
on Paranet. -- John
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From: paranet!f0.n9.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: My answers to the questionaire...
Date: 14 Jun 90 02:02:00 GMT
* Forwarded from Uucp, 209/722
* Originally to Michael Corbin
* Originally dated 07 Jun 90 17:01:20
>From scicom!ncar!CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu!XAVIER.BITNET!BRUGGMNJ
>From: BRUGGMNJ%XAVIER.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu
(<BRUGGMNJ%XAVIER.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu>)
To: mcorbin@paranet.fidonet.org
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 90 15:16 EST
1)T, I can't give examples but I can't believe that "they" haven't.
2)F, I imagine a lot can but, I again am sure that some cannot.
3)PF,I can't comment very accurately, I feel that we don't know all the
Air Force does, so maybe they have they just haven't told us.
4)F, I imagine that their is some evidence I just don't know specifics.
5)PF,I don't think that their is a whole agency, I imagine that all agencies
6)F
7)PT, I imagine they would have this fear, I don't though.
8)F
9)F, this is a convient argument.
10)PT, it makes a large amount of sense.
11. Earth has been visited at least once in its history by
beings from another world.
11)T, minimum.
12)PT, I would be happy with the info!
13)F, Awfully arrogant of us homo sapiens isn't it...:-)
14)F, without a doubt that is a dumb idea...
15)T, It's all a matter of who you choose to believe.
16)T, I disagree with the word 'most'.
17)T, Just read the papers
18)PT,They just don't share the info.
19) Who knows, I'm inclined to say that's false but that's just a gut feeling.
20) Some do, some don't, I do.
21) Probablly, but again that's a gut feeling.
22)F, That is absured.
23)I don't quite get the gist of this question.
24)T
25)T, If your definition is broad enough.
26)F, That statement is too strong, maybe ignorant.
27)F, I imagine they that they do, they just don't share the info.
28)F, I believe it is true to some degree.
29)T
30) Unknown, I can't imagine why aliens would want to aduct people and then
return them, unless they don't care if we know or not.
>Finally, what do you believe UFOs to be?
I believe them to be other intelligent life forms investigating this planet,
unless they are mis-identified earth based planes or whatever.
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John Bruggeman Programmer/Analyst
Xavier University Cincinnati, OH
BITNET: BRUGGMNJ@XAVIER.BITNET
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: New User
Date: 10 Jun 90 06:49:02 GMT
> There is a woman in New Smyrna Bch. Fla. who is interested in
> becoming a BBS user.
One BBS to call is a Fidonet board in Daytona Beach. The Batcave
904-258-9022. The sysop is Forrest Egan, who's in my local net.
Couldn't find a net board in New Smyrna though.
If she's interested in ParaNet I could probably cajole Forrest into
joining up.
jbh
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