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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 248
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 248
Wednesday, June 20th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: GB Video
Re: GB Video
DIVERTING DISSERTATIONS
Re: STEALTH/AREA 51
Ed Walters/Gulf Breeze
Re: Triangular UFO?
Re: Triangular UFO?
Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Re: THEM (Bill Gorman)
More Ed Walters
An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Re: Triangular UFO?
Gulf Breeze Hoax?
Re: GB Video
Ed Walters/Gulf Breeze
Re: Triangular UFO?
Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Re: Triangular UFO?
An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Re: GB Video
Diverting Dissertations
Re: GB Video
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From: paranet!f70.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Charles.Mcelhinney
Subject: Re: GB Video
Date: 14 Jun 90 15:32:00 GMT
JS> OK, I'm wrong, then. I was unaware that there was an audio
JS> track to that video (but of course there would be). And its
JS> strange, because the Pozzuolis say much the same thing on
JS> their video - "Look at that, what is it?" "I'll be honest
JS> with you, honey, I don't know."
But then again, what do you expect them to say? 8-D
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From: paranet!f70.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Charles.Mcelhinney
Subject: Re: GB Video
Date: 14 Jun 90 15:36:00 GMT
JH> Ed has passed three polygraph tests done in a six-hour
JH> period by an admittedly very skeptical examiner.
Sorry about that first message, I'm still trying to get the hang of the
full screen editor. What were the results of the polygraph? Did they show
deception?
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From: paranet!f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ea.Richards
Subject: DIVERTING DISSERTATIONS
Date: 13 Jun 90 17:39:56 GMT
Mike, I'm calling from the Milwaukee area, and found this echo on WRFM which
has a great number of UFO and conjecture echoes on it. It probably wasn't
appropriate to challenge the reference to a book on the echo; it should have
been left to the reactionaries; however, sometimes I find it difficult not to
respond to limping from the left when they push reading material with which I
disagree, even though what was posted originally seemed not to fit the echo
format.
My approach will be one of reading, and responding to those items of
interest, and messages to me, if they are pertinent to this area.
Messages based on political topics I will delete if they are addressed to
me, as they will only generate sound and fury if I respond to them. As the
man said, you can always tell a liberal, but you can't tell him much, the
reason being an inability to get a word in edgewise.
Thanks for writing...
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From: paranet!f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ea.Richards
Subject: Re: STEALTH/AREA 51
Date: 14 Jun 90 04:50:21 GMT
Tim, I was working for GE in Evendale, Ohio back in 1959, on the J-93, mach
2 jet engine. An engine that was being developed as the X-211 nuclear engine
was off the boards and was being put together when I left GE as a consultant.
I later heard that a DC-3 had been outfitted with the nuclear engine, but
the engine and its components took up all the cabin space, leaving only room
enough for a pilot and co-pilot.
It was never proved to be more than engineers' rumor, but it makes sense
that a progressive company like GE would try that route....
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: Ed Walters/Gulf Breeze
Date: 14 Jun 90 19:19:00 GMT
> MUFON stands behind Mr. Ed Walters and his family One
> Hundred Percent."
Same thing Don Ware told me.
There appears to be lots of disagreement over whether the model does
or doesn't look like what appeared in some of Ed's pictures. Don told
me that the newspaper people have *refused* to let anyone examine the
photos they made and compare them with the originals. Odd.
jbh
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: Re: Triangular UFO?
Date: 14 Jun 90 19:21:01 GMT
> Hmmm.... I have a couple of files online I think that deals with
> the Hudson Valley UFO and have browsed a couple of books
Go to a bookstore and pick up Night Siege. Extremely good.
> Didn't see it but did see a large cargo plane fly over with 1
> blue light and 1 red light on the wings as well as a small white
> light on back. Very distinguishable from the triangular ufo.
I'd think so. One other factor that may have a bearing is that many
airliners now have spotlights shining on the tail to illuminate the
logo. Looks odd until you figure out what it is.
jbh
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: Re: Triangular UFO?
Date: 14 Jun 90 19:22:02 GMT
> True, I was out looking for the triangular UFO the other night.
BTW, Bruce Maccabee said he's never gotten ahold of a picture of a
triangular-shaped ufo to study, so grab your camera. ;-)
jbh
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From: paranet!f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Date: 15 Jun 90 01:16:00 GMT
JS>..Specifically, how could an inexperienced photographer pull off one
JS> > the greatest hoaxes in history, taking with him some of the brightest
JS> scientific minds in the field? This question will be uppermost in our
JS> minds for a long time to come, thanks to you.
Come on Jim..If anyone has hoaxed anyone then it is Willy Smith.
I'd like to add my voice to both John Hicks and Jerry Woody. In fact
Jerry Woody asked you the pertinent question:
"What of the other 100+ people that have seen the UFO over Gulf Breeze?
Why is it that MUFON stands behind *their* research but yet where is
Paranet's investigator? What of Paranet's studies?
Why is it that Bruce Maccabee stands solidly behind Mr. Ed and PN
yells "Hoax"?
UFO's are NOT an uncommon sight over this state. I wish MUFON would
check into the local sightings in the Ocala National Forest area
here in Florida.
If this is a "hoax" then WHY have over 100+ people SEEN the UFO's
in GB,plus all the video and documentation? Has someone "paid"
those people to talk?
I am not so convinced as you that GB is a hoax. I DO believe
that it is a real phenomena, despite Mr Ed's and Willy Smith's
past antics.
Mind you..I'm not trying to start something here...but I think
it's highly presumptuous to start yelling HOAX when a model
is found in Ed's old house.So what?? It wouldn't be uncommon
to try to tinker with something (in my mind anyways) to
try and fiqure it out ala Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
Even still..if ED has lied through his teeth..WHAT ABOUT THE
100+ PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEEN UFO's IN GB???? <--The ISSUE.
This will probably aggravate me enough to drive up there one
weekend and SEE for myself. Even Wild Bill sez to do your
own investigating. In this, I'm inclined to agree with him.
I could really care less about Ed Walters..but 100 people
I'm inclined to investigate THAT. Apparently, MUFON has.
-Don Allen-
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From: paranet!f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tyson.Mitchiner
Subject: Re: THEM (Bill Gorman)
Date: 14 Jun 90 23:11:00 GMT
That is an interesting theory (about them genetically engineering
us)..
However, they can't expect us to be their mercenaries or
'pathfinders'.. They would have to force us against our will to do
so...
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From: paranet!f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Harrison.Hopper
Subject: More Ed Walters
Date: 15 Jun 90 00:22:00 GMT
THE TAMPA TRIBUNE, WEDNESDAY, JUNE 13, 1990
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By DAVID TORTORANO
of United Press International
PENSACOLA - A model flying saucer that cast doubts on a man's
claim he photographed UFOs two years ago has been tested and is being
returned to the man who found it, a newspaper editor said Tuesday.
Ken Fortengerry, managing editor of the Pensacola News Journal,
said results of the tests would not be known for a couple of weeks.
He declined to say what tests were performed.
The discovery of the 9-inch model was the latest twist on a story
that began in 1987, when contractor Ed Walters took photographs of
objects that appeared to be flying saucers near his home in Gulf
Breeze, a suburb of Pensacola.
The photographs prompted a wave of sightings from other residents
that continue to this day. Walters claimed he had dozens of additional
encounters, including a face-to-face confrontation with a 4-foot alien.
His book about the encounters is selling well.
A private group that investigates UFO sightings calls the Gulf
Breeze flurry among the most notable sightings in U.S. history.
Skeptics have long claimed the pictures were faked, but offered no
proof.
Then came the model.
It was found in April by a man who moved into a house once owned
by Walters. The newspaper got possession of the model and on Sunday
printed pictures by staff photographers using the model.
They look similar to Walters' pictures.
"This is a very critical piece of evidence and a very
controversial story," said Fortenberry, who said the newspaper was
besieged with calls Monday from the media asking about the model.
The model was to be returned to the owners Tuesday.
The man, who wished not to be identified, said he was installing
an ice-maker in his home and had gone to the attic to trace some pipes
when he found the model under some insulation.
"It was not a shock or startling or anything," said the resident,
a scientist. He knew of Walters' involvement in sightings and figured
the model was one that Walters may have built for a reenactment. "I
thought nothing more about it."
Later, he saw a diagram of the Walters' UFO.
"I recall thinking to myself, that model looks a lot like this
diagram," he said. Last week he received a visit from a reporter from
the newspaper.
"This, frankly, I find a little suspicious," said the resident,
who said the reporter showed up at the door and asked whether he had
found any photographs or models. That's when he told him.
"I wish I had lied," he said.
Walters insists there was ample opportunity for someone to plant
the model.
"The house was on the market for 10 months, during which time it
was opened during the day and sometimes closed up and locked up at
night," said Walters. "Sometime, somebody planted this model."
<Just in case this wasn't in you local newspaper.>
<*> HOP <*>
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Date: 15 Jun 90 05:56:00 GMT
>
> Oh come on! Do we scold the people around Lockness because they
> prepetuate the monster myth? Tourism! Tourism! ;-)
>
....except there is more of a case for reality of the Loch Ness monster than
for the GB saucer. (Unless Project Deepscan was a hoax!)
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Triangular UFO?
Date: 15 Jun 90 05:58:00 GMT
> Hmmm.... I have a couple of files online I think that deals with the
> Hudson Valley UFO and have browsed a couple of books pertaining to it,
> but never really paid much attention to it. As I recall one of the
> sightings was that of a bright ball of light over a lake... but that be
> another case.
Jerry! Pick up Night Siege! Quickly! You're missing out on Ufology's best
case!
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Gulf Breeze Hoax?
Date: 15 Jun 90 06:16:00 GMT
Tim:
Very quickly, my case for a hoax.
(1) An unconscionable "collaboration" between MUFON investigators and the
primary witness.
(2) The opinion of JPL's Robert Nathan. Publicly, he claims to be "very
uncomfortable" with the photos; privately, his opinion is much stronger.
(3) The way in which MUFON "managed" the flow of information about the case.
For almost a year, we were told that there was nothing untoward about Ed's
background, except for a youthful "joyride". It was only later we found out he
was a convicted forger.
(4) The informal study done by an ABC newsman, who detected telltale signs of
a plate of glass in front of the camera in several shots.
(5) Photo #6, in which the object is in sharp focus, whereas the surroundings
are blurred. Nearly impossible, except via double exposure.
(6) The photo of Frances ducking the blue beam. Note how it attenuates towards
the bottom instead of the top, as if it were coming from the ground.
(7) SOMETHING about that video. Can't put my finger on it...
(8) And now, this model.
Short of a sworn confession, what more can you ask for? You have to ask
yourself, if Ed has a ready explanation for the existence of a model in his
attic, and people believe it, what WOULD it take for people to believe its a
hoax?
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: GB Video
Date: 15 Jun 90 06:18:00 GMT
> But then again, what do you expect them to say? 8-D
"UUUHHHHH, UHHHHHHHHH, HOLY SH*T, UUUHHHH, DIAL 911, NO, WAIT, TAKE OFF THE
DAMN LENS CAP, JEZUZ, WHAT IS IT, UHHHH, UHHHHHHHH....."
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Ed Walters/Gulf Breeze
Date: 16 Jun 90 05:24:00 GMT
> > MUFON stands behind Mr. Ed Walters and his family One
> > Hundred Percent."
>
> Same thing Don Ware told me.
> There appears to be lots of disagreement over whether the model does
> or doesn't look like what appeared in some of Ed's pictures. Don told me
> that the newspaper people have *refused* to let anyone examine the
> photos they made and compare them with the originals. Odd.
According to a gent at the paper I talked with today, that is simply not true.
The paper will allow anyone who asks to examine the photos. He also said it is
NOT true that the paper was "tipped off" as to the existence of a model.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Triangular UFO?
Date: 16 Jun 90 05:26:00 GMT
> > True, I was out looking for the triangular UFO the other night.
>
> BTW, Bruce Maccabee said he's never gotten ahold of a picture of a
> triangular-shaped ufo to study, so grab your camera. ;-)
>
That's not true. A triangular-shaped UFO was photographed over Lake Erie in
March of 1988. The negative was handed over to Bruce Maccabee by primary
investigator Rick Dell'aquila at the 1988 MUFON Symposium in Lincoln. I was
present at the exact moment Rick handed it to Bruce. I wonder if Bruce forgot,
or doesn't consider it a true boomerang or something.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Date: 16 Jun 90 06:00:00 GMT
> @ Come on Jim..If anyone has hoaxed anyone then it is Willy Smith.
Admittedly. I don't know what was going through Smith's head, but it sure was
a bonehead maneuver. Are you going to let that incident determine this case
for you?
>
> Why is it that MUFON stands behind *their* research but yet where is
> Paranet's investigator? What of Paranet's studies?
The closest we've come to an investigator was when John Hicks went to the
NUFOC and talked at length with the principals. His excellent report appeared
here a week ago. I saw nothing in that report, however, to change my opinion.
As an entity, ParaNet has no investigators, and no "opinion." Each of us
speaks for ourselves. (We'd like to develop a team of official investigators,
but that costs money to do correctly, and apparently that's not in the cards
at this time). My opinion is based on the available information, the available
photos, and the opinions of some experts Mike and I and others have been in
contact with.
>
> Why is it that Bruce Maccabee stands solidly behind Mr. Ed and PN
> yells "Hoax"?
ParaNet is not yelling "Hoax," Jim Speiser is. As to why Bruce takes the
stand he does, you'll have to ask him. Specifically, ask him why he is so
willing to ignore negative evidence. (I have; his answer was because of the
weight of the positive evidence. In other words, he does not deny the
existence of negative evidence).
>
> UFO's are NOT an uncommon sight over this state. I wish MUFON would
> check into the local sightings in the Ocala National Forest area
> here in Florida.
Marcello Truzzi once said that "The existence of wigs does not preclude the
existence of real hair." Conversely, "The existence of real hair does
not preclude the existence of wigs."
>
> If this is a "hoax" then WHY have over 100+ people SEEN the UFO's
> in GB,plus all the video and documentation? Has someone "paid"
> those people to talk?
Suffice it to say that it is not unknown in UFO history for a hoax sighting to
precipitate a rash of near-hysterical, "me-too" sightings by otherwise
sincere, honest folk. Its been PROVEN to happen, by an experiment conducted in
England a few years back.
>
> I am not so convinced as you that GB is a hoax. I DO believe
> that it is a real phenomena, despite Mr Ed's and Willy Smith's
> past antics.
>
> Mind you..I'm not trying to start something here...but I think
> it's highly presumptuous to start yelling HOAX when a model
> is found in Ed's old house.So what?? It wouldn't be uncommon
> to try to tinker with something (in my mind anyways) to
> try and fiqure it out ala Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
But again, Don, ask yourself what WOULD convince you that this is a hoax? A
sworn confession signed in blood and witnessed by the Pope may not be
forthcoming at this point. Anything short of that can be "explained" away by
Ed's brilliant polemics (and he is very good, mind you).
>
> Even still..if ED has lied through his teeth..WHAT ABOUT THE
> 100+ PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEEN UFO's IN GB???? <--The ISSUE.
If the sworn confession WERE forthcoming, would you still be asking that
question?
>
> This will probably aggravate me enough to drive up there one
> weekend and SEE for myself. Even Wild Bill sez to do your
> own investigating. In this, I'm inclined to agree with him.
>
> I could really care less about Ed Walters..but 100 people
> I'm inclined to investigate THAT. Apparently, MUFON has.
The same MUFON that did not disclose for a full year that Ed was a convicted
felon. The same MUFON that issued a statement defending Ed only three days
after the model story surfaced, without so much as a hint of further
investigation of the affair. The same MUFON that fired one of its chief
investigators for expressing negative opinions on the matter. etc. etc....
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From: paranet!f24.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jerry.Woody
Subject: Re: Triangular UFO?
Date: 15 Jun 90 23:11:00 GMT
In a message to Jerry Woody <06-14-90 12:21> John Hicks wrote:
JH]> Go to a bookstore and pick up Night Siege. Extremely
JH]>good.
O.K. Didn't find it here locally, but I'm sure I can find it somewhere.
Jerry
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Date: 16 Jun 90 02:36:00 GMT
Maccabee told me at NUFOC that he'd had Ed photograph common objects
at specific distances in order to gain some idea of the size of the
ufo. It's also detailed in his paper.
This corroborates what Ed told the CI$ co.
The most..er..notorious incident was when Maccabee had Ed and
Frances attach a flourescent light fixture to a long pole. Frances
held it up behind a tree while Ed took pictures, at night. They very
quickly attracted a large crowd of curious neighbors. This was while
Ed was still trying to be anonymous.
jbh
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: Re: GB Video
Date: 16 Jun 90 08:07:00 GMT
CM> results of the polygraph? Did they show deception?
He passed with flying colors. Another examiner also looked at the results
and said inconclusive, whatever that means. I think there was a third test
which he passed, but I'm not sure.
jbh
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From: paranet!f0.n9.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Diverting Dissertations
Date: 17 Jun 90 01:23:00 GMT
> Messages based on political topics I will delete if they
> are addressed to me, as they will only generate sound and
> fury if I respond to them. As the man said, you can always
> tell a liberal, but you can't tell him much, the reason
> being an inability to get a word in edgewise.
>
> Thanks for writing...
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Hope you find ParaNet
enjoyable.
Mike
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From: paranet!f70.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Charles.Mcelhinney
Subject: Re: GB Video
Date: 16 Jun 90 14:54:00 GMT
JS> > But then again, what do you expect them to say? 8-D
JS>
JS>
JS> "UUUHHHHH, UHHHHHHHHH, HOLY SH*T, UUUHHHH, DIAL 911, NO,
JS> WAIT, TAKE OFF THE DAMN LENS CAP, JEZUZ, WHAT IS IT, UHHHH,
JS> UHHHHHHHH....."
It really depends on where it happens. If it happens somewhere near
some good 'ole country boys, it might go something like this:
"Jesus Christ on a candle. What da hell is dat?! Billy, go get my
shotgun!" 8-D
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