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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 268
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 268
Tuesday, July 17th 1990
Today's Topics:
Paranet Newsletter 265
Re: GB VIDEO
Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Re: ILL BREEZE
more stuff..
Re: The Record
Re: tidbits
Traffic
Re: more stuff..
Re: ILL BREEZE
Re: Rep rips E.T.
Re: Traffic
Re: ILL BREEZE
Tidbits
Re: TIDBITS
Re: Tnn Ufo Special
Re: Ed Walters
Re: tidbits
Traffic
Re: ILL BREEZE
Re: Traffic
Re: more stuff..
Re: Teller Is Loose Again..
CARP
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From: alex@atherton.com (Alex Leavens)
Subject: Paranet Newsletter 265
Date: 16 Jul 90 18:07:48 GMT
Ok, people, I've got one for you. It's time to play Name That Object!
(If anyone can...)
Date: Last Sunday (July 8)
Time: 2:30 pm
My wife and I were in the park, playing with our two children; we
were taking a break, and laying back in the grass, when I noticed
what appeared to be a star, almost straight overhead. It was very
bright (approximately as bright as a very bright star in the night
sky), and was completely stationary. The sky was clear, with
no clouds, although if you looked _very_ closely, you could see that
there was a little 'haze' fairly high up. Anyway, this bright
object just sat there for the next 10 minutes, without moving.
I pointed it out to my wife, who also watched it for this time.
During the time we viewed it, its magnitude would slowly change,
as if someone was 'adjusting' the brightness with a potentiometer.
This variation was quite smooth; it wasn't the sort of 'twinkling'
that you expect from atmospheric interference. The object varied in
brightness, up and down, for the 10 minutes that we watched it, then
simply faded out and disappeared.
During the time that we watched it, I moved around on the ground
to get things lined up with it to make sure it wasn't moving; I
aligned with a series of tree leaves and branches, and the object
remained perfectly stationary as far as I could tell.
Anybody know what it was? A satellite, maybe?
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: GB VIDEO
Date: 15 Jul 90 20:06:06 GMT
> GB photos still look wrong, I still think a reflection technique
> was used, and there is still no proof either way.
I know what you mean, but there's much easier ways than that. Still,
no proof...........
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Date: 15 Jul 90 20:07:07 GMT
> I'm glad SOMEONE is paying Antonio to write for them.
> He's a professional writer, he lives a spartan life, and he is a
> damned outstanding ufologist.
Antonio's presentation on USSR ufos was just amazing!
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE
Date: 15 Jul 90 20:17:08 GMT
> Could Ed be working for the Feds?
You and your monkey wrenches!
While I seriously doubt Ed himself could have faked those photos,
any good photo lab tech could have, and no artifacts of the fakery
could be found in the photos.
Your idea is disturbingly plausible.
jbh
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: more stuff..
Date: 16 Jul 90 03:23:00 GMT
It is GREAT to finally see MUFON reps finally get on this net
and post. Please keep it up. We need to gt everyone involved
in this.
Right now, I'm totally fascinated with the reports that are
_still_ coming out of Brussels.
- On GB and Mr Ed working for the "feds"..that is an intriquing
thought..Jim Speiser may have hit on something here..
I can just visualize all the clandestine "meetings" :^)
Still, I still have a hard time calling GB a hoax..there's all
those other reports that are lingering on..
Sometimes I just sits and wwonde about all this GB stuff..
-Could there possibly be an underwater base off the gulf of
Mexico?
And ALL those sightings over Fyffe.....hmmmmmmm.
-Don Allen-
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From: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Komar)
Subject: Re: The Record
Date: 16 Jul 90 07:24:00 GMT
In a message to Walt Andrus <07-14-90 18:44> Michael Corbin wrote:
MC=>of a network of this kind. If it is the first reason, John
MC=>Komar was fully aware of the continued operation of ParaNet and
MC=>should have informed you of the status since he was communicating
MC=> with you on a regular basis.
I'm at a loss here, Mike. Is this a "flame" towards me? If so, please
"flame" me in netmail, as I don't feel personal "shots" should be taken in
"open" echos.
Regards, John
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From: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Komar)
Subject: Re: tidbits
Date: 16 Jul 90 07:33:00 GMT
In a message to John Burke <07-14-90 11:10> John Hicks wrote:
JH=>John -- re: the gossip you heard to the effect that Stan
JH=>Friedman authenticated 3 of the MJ12 documents at a cost
JH=>to Klass of $1000.
JH=> Not gossip. Straight out of Stan Friedman's report. By
JH=>authenticated I mean he disproved the signature copy idea,
JH=>disproved the typestyle objection, and found many other
JH=>links that support the three documents in question.
JH=> None of the things I mentioned were gossip or rumor in
JH=>any way.
JH=> jbh
Correct, John! Also, at the MUFON International Symposium last year held in
Las Vegas, Stan Friedman showed the check to the audience with Klass
present, and Klass was the next speaker up, and verified it!!
It's in the video tapes from the symposium.
Regards, John
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From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Traffic
Date: 15 Jul 90 18:59:41 GMT
In a message to Steve Rose <14 Jul 90 11:20:00> John Hicks wrote:
>> I "view" Gulf Breeze as the sleepy little oversized Sand-bar
JH> Then you have a completely wrong view. Gulf Breeze is a fairly
JH> small upscale bedroom community on a peninsula in Pensacola Bay. On
JH> one side is Pensacola Beach, which would be comparable to, say, New
JH> Smyrna Beach. On the other side is Pensacola and surrounding
JH> suburbs, a large urban sprawl, home to a US Naval Air Station, a
JH> Naval aviation training field and the USS Lexington.
JH> In other words, a fairly large metropolitan area.
Gulf Breeze!!?? HAHA! I looked for it on a Florida map one day. I found it
when the fly took his foot off of it. :-)
Have things really changed that much in five years? I say this, since I lived
in Pensacola for over a year. Jocked at a radio station there. That is why I
make fun about GB's existance. We all did. We always knew GB needed a shot in
the arm. Besides the 'million-dollar homes' next to dime-storefront
properties...it looks like they found their niche (naturally right after I
left). :-)
That fact that you include the well-known Naval training station next to
Warrington is somewhat interesting for another reason. Where are THEY during
all this siting excitement? Don't they have an interest in these goings on?
Where is all their expertise and what about their tracking capabilities?
Perhaps they, too, find this whole "GB" thing mildly amusing.
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From: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Komar)
Subject: Re: more stuff..
Date: 16 Jul 90 10:21:00 GMT
In a message to All <07-15-90 20:23> Don Allen wrote:
DA=>It is GREAT to finally see MUFON reps finally get on this net
DA=>and post. Please keep it up. We need to get everyone
DA=>involved in this.
Glad to have the opportunity to be here!
DA=>Right now, I'm totally fascinated with the reports that are
DA=>_still_ coming out of Brussels.
yes, me too! I've a copy of the original newswire that came across. It
referenced that the Belgium Airforce called a news conference and stated
that their radar tracked a UFO and it's high-speed moves, and also that
their "government paid" (?) UFO researchers were on the case!
Can't wait to hear more!!
Regards, John Komar
State Director/tennessee - MUFON
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From: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Komar)
Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE
Date: 16 Jul 90 10:24:00 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <07-15-90 13:17> John Hicks wrote:
JH=>Could Ed be working for the Feds?
JH=>You and your monkey wrenches!
JH=>While I seriously doubt Ed himself could have faked those
JH=>photos, any good photo lab tech could have, and no
JH=>artifacts of the fakery could be found in the photos.
JH=>Your idea is disturbingly plausible.
JH=> jbh
I guess, following Jim's line of thinking, then the 250 eyewitnesses to
individual sightings in the Gulf Breeze area could also be working for the
Fed's.
They must have some budget!!
Regards, John
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From: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Komar)
Subject: Re: Rep rips E.T.
Date: 16 Jul 90 10:35:00 GMT
In a message to All <07-14-90 08:08> postmaster@scicom.alphacdc.com wrote:
po=>node. I tried to spend time with John Komar at the Symp. but we could't
po=>connect. Will try and talk to him and you later on this.
Ed, I completely enjoyed the MUFON Symposium also! It was as good if not
better than last years, although it's difficult to draw a comparison between
the two, since the themes were different, including the locations.
Sorry we could not have time together other than the State Director's
Meeting. I saw we were both quite busy.
I had the happy opportunity to finally meet with a few persons who were,
until the MUFON Symposium, "messages" on the board, and was I pleasantly
surprised! It was great to meet with them!
Harrison Hopper and I just happened to bump into each other as we were
preparing to depart for the open road, John Hicks I missed by the tail of
his shirt!
Regarding our conversation, You'll be receiving a packet in the mail from me
shortly!
Regards, John
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From: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Komar)
Subject: Re: Traffic
Date: 16 Jul 90 10:38:00 GMT
In a message to Steve Rose <07-14-90 11:20> John Hicks wrote:
JH=> Then you have a completely wrong view. Gulf Breeze is a
JH=>fairly small upscale bedroom community on a peninsula in
JH=>Pensacola Bay. On one side is Pensacola Beach, which would
JH=>be comparable to, say, New Smyrna Beach. On the other side
JH=> A late development......
JH=> Recently reports have been of red lights in the sky that
JH=>behave very oddly. A retired fisherman (shrimper, I think)
JH=>called up an investigator and said that they've been seeing
JH=>the red lights in the area for decades. *Before* all the
JH=>aircraft traffic in the area.
JH=> jbh
John, I am very interested in this group of sightings! I had lived on my
sailboat for 11 years, and have done quite a bit of research into the
"Bermuda Triangle" area, so this is very intriguing to me!
Regards, John
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From: Jerry.Woody@f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jerry Woody)
Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE
Date: 15 Jul 90 23:43:00 GMT
In a message to Jerry Woody <07-12-90 22:44> Jim Speiser wrote:
JS]>I've just spoken with the Supreme Commander, and while I
JS]>still think Ed's pulling a fast one, there apparently IS a
JS]>lot more to this case. Its kinda like the Universe - its
JS]>be a period of heightened UFO activity in the
JS]>Pensacola/Gulf Breeze area. They thought that if enough
JS]>Could Ed be working for the Feds?
Hmmmm... After listening to information from the MUFON conference the past
several days, if Ed -did- try to attempt a hoax, it's not from the 'paper
UFO model'. That would leave the picture analysis to prove a hoax and so
far none have been proven conclusevely that they are fake. hehehe.. Ed a
Fed eh? Well, After Moore I certainly wouldn't object to it out of hand
<grin>. I pay more attention to what others see and photograph in Gulf
Breeze than what Ed says he saw and has taken photographs of after all the
claims and counter-claims.
Jerry
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Tidbits
Date: 16 Jul 90 19:45:00 GMT
> I know who did this and why...it was for the sensationalism and
> for future releases about the mysterious "UFO Occupants."
Well, c'mon, spill the beans. Don't keep us in suspense.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: TIDBITS
Date: 16 Jul 90 19:50:01 GMT
> As usual the rumor mill turns out 80% correct information?
> Actually the purpose of this message is one of the last things
> you mentioned. A fake UFO photo contest! What a great idea. This
> way it would be possible to find out how future fakes may have
> been made, before much time and money is wasted in analysis.
I saved a copy of the Pensacola News-Journal which announces the
contest. Interesting that the contest is announced the day *after* the
symposium is over. I mean, why not Sunday, since readership of Sunday
papers is far greater than Monday papers.
jbh
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From: Jeff.Ballard@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jeff Ballard)
Subject: Re: Tnn Ufo Special
Date: 17 Jul 90 06:41:00 GMT
Thanks for the address, Steve...This place has quite a collection of
UFO goodies....I've got a couple of things I've been meaning to send
them!
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From: John.Burke@p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: Ed Walters
Date: 17 Jul 90 06:34:31 GMT
Jim: (re: Craig Myers & the model) --
At the time I looked into that the current rumor was that the model
hadn't been discovered unti reporter" went out to Ed's old house. In
talking with Mark Rodeghier I learned that the model was discovered
*before* Myers came out to the house. The point that Mark emphasized
was that this guy wouldn't have even found it if he hadn't been
remodeling the house. I was left with the impression (somehow) that
the current resident came to the paper with the model -- probably
because I had that conversation with Mark on a Saturday morning when I
was a bit hung over <g>.
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From: John.Burke@p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: tidbits
Date: 17 Jul 90 06:44:16 GMT
John: If that's how Stan is saying he got the $1,000 from Klass, then
he's playing "fast and loose" with the fac. He got the $1,000 for the
typestyle issue only. I think Klass should sue him!! :-) -- John
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Traffic
Date: 17 Jul 90 07:24:02 GMT
> That fact that you include the well-known Naval training station
> next to Warrington is somewhat interesting for another reason.
> Where are THEY during all this siting excitement?
They're sending choppers on SAR missions............over dry land.
Confirmed by many witnesses.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE
Date: 17 Jul 90 07:26:03 GMT
> I guess, following Jim's line of thinking, then the 250
> eyewitnesses to individual sightings in the Gulf Breeze area
> could also be working for the Fed's.
No, I think I understand what Jim's saying. If a *big* case (Ed's)
is conjured up, generates controversy etc, then may later be proven to
be a hoax, all the other sightings are forgotten. The general public
says, "Gulf Breeze....a hoax."
See what I mean?
In the public eye, Ed *is* Gulf Breeze, even though we know better.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Traffic
Date: 17 Jul 90 07:33:04 GMT
> John, I am very interested in this group of sightings! I had
> lived on my sailboat for 11 years, and have done quite a bit of
> research into the "Bermuda Triangle" area, so this is very
> intriguing to me!
Wow, another ragman, or as we were called over at the Florida big
bend, a blowboater! I lived on my boat from about '79 through '88.
The best years....
Anyway, you'd need to get specific details from Rex Salisberry. What
he told me was that an old fisherman (shrimper, probably) called him
after the red-light sightings had been publicized and made a little
fun of the investigators. Rex said that the fisherman said the
investigators shouldn't get excited about the lights as if they were
something new, because they'd been seen for decades.
jbh
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: more stuff..
Date: 17 Jul 90 08:21:05 GMT
JK>yes, me too! I've a copy of the original newswire that came across.
JK>It referenced that the Belgium Airforce called a news conference and
JK>stated that their radar tracked a UFO and it's high-speed moves, and
JK> also that their "government paid" (?) UFO researchers were on the case!
Geez, what a _world_ of difference between this country and
Belgium! The US Govt would more than likely muzzle any reports
and give the investigators a hassle..over _there_ they are
ACTIVELY supported.
Why is that? Why is it the Europe appears to be a heckava lot
freer in their activities whilst in the good ole US of A UFO
researchers don't even get the time of day from their own
Govt?
I haven't seen the first mention of any of this on a newscast
"over here"
Our Govt spits on a Bill English while he would probably be
venerated as a "hero" over in Europe.
The more I read what happenned to Bill..the madder I get.
Do ya suppose it _could_ be a MJ-12 (oh god..there he goes...)
conspiracy?
Trying to get at the real truth in all of this is like looking
in a proverbial house of mirrors and the more that I do tend
to lean toward the loop theories of massive Govt coverups.
Sorry..I didn't mean to "spout off"..I tend to speak my heart on
these matters and not be concerned with the vast considerations
of what others think of "my style".
Nice to see you in the echoes up "here" John.
-Don Allen-
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From: Frank.Cox@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Frank Cox)
Subject: Re: Teller Is Loose Again..
Date: 17 Jul 90 06:43:00 GMT
Who really knows what's going on in his mind? And I too have to admit
he's getting on in years. I wonder if he glows when the lights go out!
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From: Frank.Cox@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Frank Cox)
Subject: CARP
Date: 17 Jul 90 06:57:00 GMT
I DL the CARP file from CIS and was wondering what everyone thinks of
it. I assume it's some creative writing on someone's part and I don't
even think a government could expect people to be that gullable, but I
am one to "never say never". I'm not sure how old this file is but does
anyone out here remember it. And if so, what is your opinion and could
there be any truth to it at all?
One part of the document alleges the Chinese are arming the Middle East
radicals with nuclear and biological weapons. From recent reports in
the press it seems that some of these countries do indeed possess
chemical and biological weapons, but is there any strong evidence of
anyone besides Israel actually having the bomb? And does anyone know
just how much the Chinese have given in military aid and to whom? I've
heard some of the rockets Iraq has are from China, but that's just
something I heard in passing and I'm not sure if that's the case.
And finally, from some files I've read on CIS, there are allegations
that the alien presence may not be completely neutral. I'm referring to
the Cooper files and was wondering if there is any real evidence or at
least speculation one way or the other from an educated, reliable
source?
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