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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 238
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 238
Tuesday, June 5th 1990
Today's Topics:
Projbeta.ufo
Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Fido UFO
Re: PROJBETA.UFO
Re: Stealth/Area 51
Re: MAG-> UFO UNIVERSE
Re: Stealth/Area 51
Inside Edition
Re: Inside Edition
black helicopters or shadow ships
Bob Lazar
Bob Lazar
Re: UFO Questionaire
Re: Bob Lazar
Re: black helicopters or shadow ships
Re: Bob Lazar
Hudson Valley
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Projbeta.ufo
Date: 2 Jun 90 16:18:00 GMT
First, a warm welcome to ParaNet. We are glad to have you here.
> I've spend a few hours reading the amount of
> document included in the files of Paranet and, well, I was
> asking myself what's true and what's not.
>
> Which one of these report can we beleive to be
> hoaxes and which ones aren't? I'm especially interested in
> PROJBETA.UFO from Dr. Paul Bennewitz and the many files
> from W. Cooper.
>
> Since I'm new in this, please tell me what I can
> resonably beleive and what I should reject. Normally, there
> is a kind of rating on documents. I did not find any on
> that one.
Dr. Paul Bennewitz allegedly has had some type of contact with
aliens in the New Mexico area as a result of some high-tech
electronic research he was doing. He reported his findings to
the Air Force and immediately his life changed. There are others
here who are more qualified on the subject of Bennewitz, but as I
understand it, his contact with aliens, if that is what it really
was/is, was not necessarily as elaborate as his file indicates.
The information reflected in his file is a result of the antics
of the "disinformation society," whomever they may be, and
Bennewitz was provided enough bizarre information to require his
institutionalization in a mental hospital for a breakdown. It is
not to say that the information was true, however, as it has been
identified as disinformation by Wm. L. Moore who claims it was
all a part of a "governmental attempt" to disinform Bennewitz.
If Bennewitz did in fact intercept some type of electronic
signal, it does not mean that it was from an extraterrestrial
craft. It could have been anything militarily connected with R&D
or whatever.
As for the MJ-12 and MAJIC stuff, I would strongly recommend a
highly skeptical approach to the material since it has been
generally found that the authors of the material are very
unreliable sources of information who have not been able to
substantiate one piece of it. ParaNet has attempted to research
the validity, but has met with such resistance from those people
that independent verification is impossible. It is important to
look at all aspects of UFOlogy before arriving at any
conclusions, and even then, I urge that belief systems be saved
for the proof.
>
> Also, there are some documents that seems to be
> missing the end... : MJ12COM1.UFO
> MJ12DOC1.UFO
> and some more (???)
Those documents are all there. The names of them do not indicate
anything other than a naming scheme employed by the uploader.
Hope this helps.
Mike
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Date: 2 Jun 90 19:32:00 GMT
> JB>I never heard of Francie; maybe Jim Speiser will have that bit of
> JB>gossip for us. Arcturus Books is at: P.O. Box 831383 Stone Mountain,
> JB>Georgia 30083-0023.
>
> Hey thanks for the address John..And last time I looked Brad WAS
> married to Francie..course she could have either dumped him or changed
> her name..go figger :^)
Brad and Frances Pascal Steiger were divorced about three years ago. Brad is
now married to Sherrie Hansen Steiger, a very nice lady.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Fido UFO
Date: 2 Jun 90 19:44:00 GMT
>
> All true Jim, but you know, I just HATE IT when I am blamed for
> something that I did NOT do, and then to compound it, I get punished for
> it.
Think of it another way, Don....do you hate it as much when you are blamed by
a small child who doesn't know any better, or do you just pat him on the head
and write it off? That's the attitude I take, and condescending as it sounds,
it works. :-)
And I don't consider this ban "punishment" but rather emancipation!
Jim
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Daniel.Wisnosky
Subject: Re: PROJBETA.UFO
Date: 2 Jun 90 16:33:03 GMT
JP> Which one of these report can we beleive to be hoaxes and
JP> which ones aren't? I'm especially interested in PROJBETA.UFO from
JP> Dr. Paul Bennewitz and the many files from W. Cooper.
JP>
JP> Since I'm new in this, please tell me what I can resonably
JP> beleive and what I should reject.
This is a very good question. I'm rather new to Paranet, and I've been
wondering about Cooper's stuff, too. I've heard plenty about Cooper
being a real jerk, among other things, but I've never heard about his
material. Or was it assumed that since he's a jerk he's also a liar?
I'm not trying to defend Cooper in any way, I agree from what I've
heard & seen here and in Fido UFO that he's basically and A**-hole, but
I'm still interested in what he's said. Does anybody have proof either
for or against Cooper's theories & revalations? Especially about his
claim the JFK was shot by government agents.
Thanx,
Dan
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka
Subject: Re: Stealth/Area 51
Date: 2 Jun 90 17:46:16 GMT
Our nuclear-powered subs aren't "incredible loud", so I don't see the
problem with a nuclear powered aircraft. Some people have reported a
humming noise when a UFO flew low overhead. A turbine engine could
account for the "hum". Although I do admit that there are a lot of
loopholes in this theory, nuclear power is one of the few ways I
believe they could power an engine that silent. You hear a lot about
the so-called "silent helecopters", but it is my understanding that
even they put out between 50 -60 decibels; more than loud enough to
hear on a fairly quiet evening. The only other possible explaination is
some completely new technology that the government has let slip out
yet.
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka
Subject: Re: MAG-> UFO UNIVERSE
Date: 2 Jun 90 17:48:27 GMT
If you get a hold of them, let me know. I've tried to call a couple of
times, but the operator in Stone Mountain has no phone number listed
for them and I've sent 3 letters and haven't heard from them yet.
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka
Subject: Re: Stealth/Area 51
Date: 2 Jun 90 18:00:52 GMT
One discrepancy I did notice in the B-2 article was that Mr. Gonsalves
stated that "Without exception, from upwards of 20,000 witness reports
we can determine that there is virtually a total absence of high
performance characteristics in the UFO/B2-high speed, right angle
turns, extreme acceleration, abrupt stops, and starts for example,
etc." I just finished reading NIGHT SIEGE and according to the
statistics at the back of the book, a small percentage of the witnesses
DID report the craft moved slowly at first then accelerated rapidly. If
my memory serves me, there was also a instance or two where the witness
stated that the UFO went from overhead, to the distant horizon almost
instantly.
s
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From: paranet!f204.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Kurt.Lochner
Subject: Inside Edition
Date: 2 Jun 90 17:19:00 GMT
Well, bemused or not, I wasn't really impressed with Bob Lazar's
approach to this. Maybe the guv is hiding something, but the
chances are that they aren't much more "in the know" than
anyone on Paranet....
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From: paranet!f204.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Kurt.Lochner
Subject: Re: Inside Edition
Date: 2 Jun 90 17:20:00 GMT
The reporters said that Teller either didn't know Lazar or couldn't
remember. Same thing that happened to Reagan....he couldn't remember
anything incriminating either. Convenient memory losses such as this
would certainly be intolerable to me though....
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From: paranet!p0.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Robin.Gober
Subject: black helicopters or shadow ships
Date: 3 Jun 90 01:41:27 GMT
on 24-may-90 7:46 am
I wrote..
>For intance I read one about black helichopters. They seemed to think
> They seemed to think that only answer could be that the government was
behind them.(the black helicopters) Many people have seen the black
ships but they don't come from the government. People talk abputthem
making stranges sounds. Such as sounding like an airplane instead of a
chopter. Also the have been seen up close and no sound was heard. In
other words they are not our ships but rather their ships. These guys
are the masters at misdireaction.
Masters they may be, but if they have the technology to fly around in in
gravity concontrolling saucers why would they drop back to helio
technology? As to the noise, even as far back as 'Nam they had choppers
that could run in silent mode and not make 20% the noise that a regular
chopper made. The noise they made was ,mpore the drone of an airplane as
opposed to the whop-whop- whop that is characteristic to choppers. 15
years later the technology is bound to have improved. But don't let me
stop you from pointing this out in one of the paranet echos!
I want to thank the ol' man for his input. I have done some checking
and I have to agree with what he says about the choppter noise. But that
is not the only reason that I don't think that all of these black ships
are ours. To begin with they didn't trade down in technology. The use
the black helicopters to "blend in" certain areas.
But here is the interesting part. If they wanted to pass completly why
use something so odd as a black ship? This is common with them,And I wil
try to explain why. First some more notes about the shoips. The craft
fly in such a manner as to draw attention to themsleves!(talk about
hiding in plain sight!)
Almost always the carft is spoted by someone who has had a close
ewncounter of some kind. They almost always get a feeling that the craft
is some how watching them. Yes often they think that it is the
gorvenment watching them. The person who has had an encounter will
somhow draw a connection between the ship and there encounter.
Sometimes there will be an unusally large number of craft. A number of
such a kind that it draws attention to itself.
The government has many more important things to do than keep track of
all the UFO wittness. If you were going to keep track of the witness I
can think of many better ways. Some people think the government is
trying to scare offthe witness. Well so far this hasn't work. Usally
what the choppters do is make people mad enough to keep looking for
answersl.
You may wonder what the vistors get out of all of this. The answer to
that is not fully known. One of the things I do when I am looking for
answers to they tricksis ask myself what effect the act had on the
witness. Well i am out of time I will try to finish the rest of this
later. In the meantine any stories out there on the three guys in black/
the black car? Alright how about black animals. later.......
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka
Subject: Bob Lazar
Date: 3 Jun 90 08:05:16 GMT
Well, according to today's issue of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Bob
Lazar was charged with pandering in this recent prostitution thing and
he could be looking at 5 years in the slammer. I don't really know how
it's going to affect his credibility. I suppose that those who believed
his story will continue to believe it, and the skeptics will claim that
they have more wood for the fire.
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From: paranet!f0.n9.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Bob Lazar
Date: 3 Jun 90 16:05:00 GMT
> Well, according to today's issue of the Las Vegas Review- Journal, Bob
> Lazar was charged with pandering in this recent prostitution thing and
> he could be looking at 5 years in the slammer. I don't really know how
> it's going to affect his credibility. I suppose that those who believed
> his story will continue to believe it, and the skeptics will claim that
> they have more wood for the fire.
If it is not too much trouble, could you please type up the
article and have Jeff Marsh net mail it to me?
Thanks,
Mike
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From: paranet!p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Doug.Rogers
Subject: Re: UFO Questionaire
Date: 3 Jun 90 21:45:10 GMT
Questionnaire response:
1. 3 - I wish there had been an "I'm not sure" response.
2. 1 - There's SOMETHING there we don't know
3. 1 - gimme a break
4. 1 - Too many Roswell type reports to buy this one
5. 3 - There are secret files for every other subject... why not
UFO's
6. 1 - I personally know of two (2) who have
7. 4
8. 1 - So where did the ones we cannot explain away come from?
9. 2 - Too many telling the same sort of story
10. 4 - This has been testified by a number of "insiders" including
Hynek himself.
11. 3 - Von Donyken not withstanding, this is possible, IMHO
12. 3 - Although I'm not sure who REALLY knows how much is currentl
being spent.
13. 4 - Statistically ridiculous assumption.
14. 4 - There would be no "unknowns" were this the case
15. 3 - Or else there have been an AWFUL LOT of faked photos
16. 2 - This is another one where I'd really like to say "I'm no
sure".
17. 4 - Or else we get a lot of disinformation here on the net
18. 1 - change "Examining" to "Covering up" and I'll agree
19. 1
20. 3 - I believe this to be so. It would certainly make this existance
less lonely, were this the case.
21. 4
22. 1 - Yeah. And Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing JFK too.
23. 3 - I believe this to be the case
24. 4
25. 4 - as in knowing enough science to understand star drive.
26. 3 - at least not looking at the evidence.
27. 3
28. 1 - Check the blank spots in the docs released under FOI
29. 1 - At least not publicly
30. 2
What are UFO's? I have no idea. I am part of that great unwashed
mass that believes that there is SOMETHING going on resulting in
all of these reports... I just have no real idea what it is. My personal
suspicion, spurred by nothing more than my impressions from what
I have read and seen is that they are PROBABLY of extraterestrial
origin. Their purpose is a mystery to me. That is why I am in Paranet.
I'd like to know what we are able to find out.
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Daniel.Wisnosky
Subject: Re: Bob Lazar
Date: 3 Jun 90 18:08:57 GMT
TH> Well, according to today's issue of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Bob
TH> Lazar was charged with pandering in this recent prostitution thing and
TH> he could be looking at 5 years in the slammer. I don't really know how
TH> it's going to affect his credibility. I suppose that those who believe
TH> his story will continue to believe it, and the skeptics will claim tha
TH> they have more wood for the fire.
Tim, could ya please tell me what section & page that article is in?
I'd like ta take a quick look at it.
Thanx,
Dan
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka
Subject: Re: black helicopters or shadow ships
Date: 3 Jun 90 19:38:10 GMT
On a recent field trip near the Groom's Lake area we did see at lot of
black cattle. Wonder if this has any significance?
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka
Subject: Re: Bob Lazar
Date: 3 Jun 90 19:41:16 GMT
I cut the article out but I don't know what page it was. I can tell you
that it was towards the back, probably in the Nevada section. On the
back of the article are some coupons for Lube N Tune, (I think).
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From: Jim Shaffer Jr <72750.2335@compuserve.com>
Subject: Hudson Valley
Date: 4 Jun 90 07:17:59 GMT
The discussion about the Hudson Valley craft possibly being some sort of
government project is fascinating, but what about the issue of the
abductions reported in the area in that time frame? The only thing I can
think of is that they might be some sort of induced hysteric reaction,
but if that's true it casts doubt on the whole abduction situation worldwide.
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