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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 228
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 228
Wednesday, May 23rd 1990
Today's Topics:
Bible Messages
Re: GB Circle
(none)
Meier
T.S. Bennett
Taking time off
Mr Ed GB and conf
Re: Brian O'Leary & Dr. Ruth
Public Service Announcement
MJ12
MJ12
MJ12
MJ12
Meier
Religious thread
NEW INFO
Re: Religious thread
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From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Subject: Bible Messages
Date: 21 May 90 17:13:03 GMT
Greg:
Not trying to get on your case, but you don't seem to know much about
physics. If I were capable of traveling FTL, I'd arrive before I left.
Now that is what I call *SPEED*!! Even thoughts can't do that. 8-(
There is nothing in the Bible the precludes the existence of alien races
and cultures. According to the standard fundamentalist thinking, the
Bible deals with humanity's salvation, and humanity's salvation only. I
have read Ezekiel and am not persuaded that his visions deal with UFOs.
Nor am I persuaded that UFOs and alien lifeforms are demonic.
I have photos of an alien craft flying outside an in-flight aircraft.
It is actually a film clip. Now it doesn't take a ton of bricks falling
on my head to make me sit up and take notice. Add to this all of the
other photos that I've managed to get on video over the past few years,
and I have to say that people need to wake up and smell the roses. We
have a phenomenon that is on-going and that is very, very real.
I want to know what it is. I want to know what these craft are. And I
welcome your input; however, be more certain of your science next time.
Thanks,
Gene
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From: ames!amdahl!drivax!braun (Kral)
Subject: Re: GB Circle
Date: 21 May 90 21:42:18 GMT
In article <ParaNet-v1990i0224m14@drivax.UUCP> Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.
FIDONET.ORG writes:
-+And not suprisingly, although they at least did mention it instead of
-+ignoring it, the whole thing started with an anonymous phone tip about
-+the existance of the circle. I have to wonder why anyone would feel
-+they need to remain anonymous for finding a circle in the grass when
-+they are living in a community where hundreds of people aren't shy
-+about reporting lights in the sky. Unless they have something to hide
-+perhaps.
Wait a minute. Excuse me if I'm assuming things I shouldn't, as I just joined
in on this discussion, but are you guys talking about the ring mystery over in
the UK? The one where
1. Hundreds of circles of varying diameter (and number in groups) have
been reported for the past decade?
2. Several different "scientific" teams have been sent out to investigate
with no conclusive results.
3. No tracks of any kind have ever been reported leading to the circles?
4. All attempts to replicate the cirlces have failed in some sort?
5. During the one or two weeks that expeditions are setup in several
"commonly" hit areas to try and catch what is happening, no activity
is reported anywhere - a period where, statistically one or more
circles should appear?
6. None of the vegitations which is "squashed" by the circle making
phenomenon is ever really damaged (ie, broken at the base where it
is bent over -- something which would occur if one were to simply
trample it down).
7. Where one team took magnetic readings (or perhaps it was radioactive
readings - not a trivial difference, I know, but it's been a while)
and found significant differences inside and outside of the cirlces?
& etc.?
Is that what you guys are talking about? Or am I just jumping to conclusions?
--
kral 408/647-6112 ...amdahl!drivax!braun
The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny ..."
-- Isaac Asimov [Friends don't let friends use DOS]
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From: isis!well!ddrasin (Dan Drasin)
Subject: (none)
Date: 23 May 90 01:19:52 GMT
Miscellaneous
-+ In the words (more or less) of Dan Drasin, with whom I had a private
-+ email discussion of this, "Clearly, either something is going on
-+ there, or it isn't."
-+ =gerry zeitlin
Clearly, gerry, either you're right or you're not. 8^)
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-+>various studies I'm familiar with deal with GEOMANTIC, not GEOMAGNETIC
-+>forces.
-+ Need a simple education here; what's a GEOMANTIC force?
-+ Re: "power points"
-+ How would these power points be connected?
-+ --
-+ Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722
Paul, "geomancy" (etymologically, "reading of the earth") is the art
and science of detecting and making use of an apparent spectrum of
subtle energies that move within and around the earth in somewhat
the same manner as the "chi" or "ki" energy is said to move in the
human body; along certain "meridians" that connect particular points
where the energy most easily breaks the surface. Acupuncture would
then be the human body analog to geomancy. Placing an acupuncture
needle at points on the skin increases the energy flow to those
points. Similarly, altering the terrain by placing vertical masses
at certain points (in the form of standing stones, artificial hills
and mounds, etc.) is said to increase the flow of "earth energy" at
those points.
These energies currently fall outside our western conceptual
framework and scientific "catalog" -- so we have little language
with which to describe them. One result of this is that people in
our culture who claim to be sensitive to these forces are simply not
listened to, hence our progress in understanding these things has
been very slow. This will no doubt change once someone contrives an
instrument to measure these forces in a mechanistic fashion. (You
can detect acupuncture points with a 9V battery and two wires. Add
an microammeter in series if you want. Hold one wire in your hand
and run the other one along your skin. As soon as you hit an
acupuncture point, you'll feel a tingling shock and the meter will
deflect. Perhaps soon someone will come up with as stupidly simple
a device for detecting these so-called "power points" on the earth.)
This does not mean that "chi" is an electrical phenomenon per se,
only that it interacts with electricity, and apparently follows
similar paths of least electrical resistance.
Anyway, these subtle forces do not appear to be electrical or
magnetic, but something else we have not yet catalogued. Physicists'
best guesses run along the lines of quantum theory (but then,
*everything* at the borderlands is attributed to "quantum theory"
these days!) At any rate, most scientists will tend not to explore
things unless they're already explainable in familiar terms, or
detectable by instruments that *they themselves* have contrived.
("If *we* can't measure it it probably doesn't exist.")
As to the effects: A number of researchers claim that natural
healing of the body is greatly accelerated in proximity to certain
power points. Other points seem to have primarily psychic effects.
The four major power points surrounding the town of Sedona, AZ have
an enormous amount of interesting lore connected with them, and each
of the four points has its own "character." Bell Rock, for example,
has been the site of *many* daylight UFO sightings over the years.
Boynton Canyon (a beautiful spot, by the way) has had many odd and
interesting phenomena connected with it.
The Chinese have a highly evolved science of geomancy. John
Michell's book THE NEW VIEW OVER ATLANTIS (which has almost nothing
to do with Atlantis, by the way) contains a lot of information and
lore about the points and connecting "ley lines" in the British
Isles, and also a fascinating chapter on Chinese geomancy.
May of the "ley lines" in Britain were physically plotted out
between the main points, way back in prehistory, and marked with
furrows, roads, paths, diverted stream beds, plantings, etc. The
later Romans built many of their roads along these existing lines,
and they're still visible today. This network of visible lines
throughout Britain is incredibly vast and complex.
It is said that under certain astronomical conditions (alignments,
relative angles, etc.) areas in proximity to certain "power points"
become more dimensionally transparent, and allow energies and beings
to pass more easily between one dimension and another. This would
provide a "spiritual window" through which one might catch a glimpse
of other realities and perhaps participate in them. It has been
theorized that the practices of the ancient (and modern!) Druidic)
religions involved this kind of activity during key times of the
year. Part of this concept involves the energies of certain regions
of space "resonating" with that of earth and other planets, creating
the cyclic and epicyclic effects catalogued by astrology.
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-+ If you find that Mier case all that compelling, then by all means
-+ knock your socks off looking into it. I've seen enough to not
-+ feel the need to waste anymore time on it. As far as there being
-+ "five books and two more on the way..." so what? There are
-+ hundreds of astrology books and hundreds more on the way. That
-+ doesn't change the fact that astrology has failed each and every
-+ controlled study of its ability to do what it claims to be able to
-+ do.
-+ -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722
Please check your sources, Jim. Most "scientific" astrology studies
I am aware of have been based on gross misconceptions and
fatally-flawed oversimplifications of astrology. (Imagine someone
debunking all of ufology on the basis of absurd tabloid reports!)
The most solid study I know of was conducted a few years ago (I
can dig up the citation, which escapes me at this late and weary
hour....), and confirmed one particular aspect of astrology beyond
any question of statistical doubt. This was the case in which CSICOP
put its foot deeply into its own mouth by publically debunking the
study without first checking it out. The result was a scandal that
rocked CSICOP and triggered a number of key resignations.
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-+ Ok, I'll concede this and this only: If someone has the immense
-+ amount of time and patience it would take to investigate the Meier
-+ case up one side and down the other, and are not dissuaded by the
-+ probability of coming up empty-handed (read: no important new
-+ discoveries), then by all means they should do so. I don't have
-+ the time, and furthermore I don't know too many people in this
-+ hectic day and age that do.
-+ I do congratulate you, however, on your patience and open-
-+ mindedness.
-+ Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722
Thanks, Jim. I don't know about "patience and openmindedness" --
perhaps "stubbornness" is a better word. Suffice it to say that
"proof" is not the point of my interest in the Meier case. It's more
complicated than that.
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-+ From Lynn Parham
-+ This doesn't apply to skeptic who does not have an open mind and
-+ who cannot accept proofs and answers. He, like the true blue
-+ believer, already has his mind made up and nothing will change it.
He, like the true-blue believer, *is* a true-blue believer.
Dan Drasin
ddrasin @well
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Meier
Date: 20 May 90 00:40:00 GMT
> I concur. Wendelle Stevens was my guest for dinner last
> Friday here in Rochester. He had "answers" for many of the
> controversial elements of the Meier case, however I'm still
> not convinced of its total authenticity.
Perhaps you could provide a report for ParaNet on what is
happening in his corner?
Thanks,
Mike
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: T.S. Bennett
Date: 20 May 90 01:25:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "UFO National Echo - Backbone Echo"
* Originally from Michael Corbin
* Originally dated 19 May 90 18:19:02
To All:
In the absence of the echo moderator, George Adam Stanislav, who, in my
opinion, is doing a poor job of moderating this conference, I wanted to get a
few things clear regarding the incoherent and attacking messages that have
been posted by T.S. Bennett, a person who is in the service of William Cooper.
It is truly a shame that Mr. Bennett and Mr. Cooper have to use this echo as a
stage for the attack against ParaNet. It has absolutely nothing to do with
the good people that use this conference, and I apologize for the
inconvenience that it has caused to all of you.
As we all know, UFOlogy has suffered at the hands of people like Bill Cooper
and T.S. Bennett, for if there opinions and research really did hold water,
they would not have to hide behind a screen of beligerence and unrest to get
their points across. After all, should the truth need any support or a sales
pitch? NO! The truth stands on its own despite what you or I might say.
And, despite what Mr. Cooper has said from the security of Mr. Bennett's
skirt, ParaNet is not a belief system. We are a clearinghouse of information,
and are comprised of skeptics and believers. That is the true beauty of
ParaNet. We do not "censor" anyone who wishes to speak nor do we control
information or the other things that have been told here in this echo. We are
not "government agents."
We are being censored in a fashion by the unreasonable attacks being leveled
against us, and we are being kept from disclosing useful information to the
general public by Mr. Bennett taking up precious echomail traffic by attacking
everything we say or do.
To set the record straight I wish to disclose the full reason that T.S.
Bennett and his cohort, Bill Cooper were banned from ParaNet. Actually, part
of the reason has already been disclosed in deeds as Mr. Bennett's postings
speak for the record -- they are postings that are meaningless and cause
disruption of the flow of normal traffic. They are attacking and state
nothing in the way opinion, but are advanced as pure fact. When someone
disagrees or asks for more information, they go off on a tangent of screaming
that everyone against them is a government agent.
ParaNet was the first network to break the MJ-12 story. We were the first
public forum where Bill Cooper and John Lear came to distribute their
information.
Bill Cooper has stated publicly that he cannot prove none of his claims. He
has also stated that we censored him by barring him from the network.
Censoring, no -- Barring from the network, yes.
Censoring implies that all information, opinions or facts are suppressed and
not made public. This is a reasonable definition. ParaNet still carries the
Bill Cooper material on its BBS network and has not stopped carrying it at
anytime.
Instead, we attempted to verify his information by making an independent
investigation and by asking Bill to furnish more information. When
discrepancies were encountered and Bill was presented with them, he launched
into a barrage of attacking everyone on ParaNet that felt more information was
needed. All useful discussion broke down into shouting matches and caused a
serious problem for our users. After many requests by our users to do
something, we warned Bill to cease his attacks. This only escalated them and
we had to ban him from the network. This was not the only time. After many
months, we allowed him back on and shortly after that Bill again denegrated
the quality of the conference and we banned him again. This time it is for
good.
As for Mr. Bennett, we also had the same type of problem, only his
infringement of policy could have caused a lawsuit for the network. He made
an attack on Mr. English that was very libelous. However, this was after many
warnings about posting advertisements that were not authorized and personal
attacks against members of the network.
None of the actions that have been taken against Cooper or Bennett have been
unreasonable and without first, several attempts to rectify the situation.
We also have a policy that deals with deliberate disinformation. ParaNet
encourages the free exchange of opinions on its network. It is the mainstay of
what our network is all about. However, when a person engages in the
distribution of information that is patently false or unverifiable, we feel an
obligation to the public to state so. We also will not tolerate any attacks
against the U.S. Government that are without substance. We are Americans and
damn proud of it. If there is anything that needs to be corrected, we have
the methodology as prescribed by the Constitution of the United States to do
it. Our ancestors have fought for this protection. There are avenues also
available to us through Congress and other means that are prescribed by law to
get access to UFO information. Anything not obtained legally is not of
interest to us.
We must engage in critical thinking regarding the UFO phenomenon and must not
allow ourselves to be taken in by all of the "conspiratorial material" that is
so prevalent today. Until there is evidence of what these guys are claiming
to be fact, I will not personally subscribe to it.
In closing, ParaNet is a public service. There has never been a more UFO
oriented electronic network like it. Our credibility is high as is our
reliability. When you read something on ParaNet, you can be assured that it
was checked out and verified to the extent possible. If it cannot be
verified, we make no bones about it -- we tell everyone.
I would heartily suggest that we get on with business and make our
protestations known to the echo moderator that we are tired of this senseless
assault from Cooper and Bennett.
I am preparing to file a formal complaint within FidoNet against Mr. Moderator
and the BBS which has allowed Bennett unrestricted access to the conference
until he can clean up his act and behave like an adult. If he has something
of value to say against ParaNet, I am prepared to meet him toe-to-toe to
answer any and all allegations.
ParaNet is preparing a file regarding the Cooper material. We will be happy
to post it for everyone to see. This file will contain all message exchanges
between members of ParaNet and Bill Cooper up to the times that he was banned
from the network. It is most interesting.
Michael Corbin
Administrator
ParaNet Information Service
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
Subject: Taking time off
Date: 20 May 90 05:14:14 GMT
In an article of <18 May 90 15:01:47 GMT>, Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
writes:
>From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
>
>Friends, Aliens, and Gov't Agents: ;-)
>
>I'm going to be gone from 5/25 to 6/4 on vacation. I'll catch all of
>you on the flip side.
Well have a good time Gene!
Sincerely,
Your friend the alien gov't agent, Klaatu.
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
Subject: Mr Ed GB and conf
Date: 20 May 90 05:20:11 GMT
In a message of <18 May 90 21:19:00>, Don Allen (1:114/37) writes:
>Note to Paul Faeder: You've done a super job of patching things
>together..any chance of the central Fla area getting a more
>solid feed? It would sure be appreciated on *this* end.
John and I have already been in contact and things *should* be back in order
by the time you get this.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
Subject: Re: Brian O'Leary & Dr. Ruth
Date: 19 May 90 07:05:00 GMT
Jim:
The thing about O'Leary is that he has pretty much jumped into the New
Age bandwagon. While there is nothing wrong with the "Love, Light, and
Shine ON" stuff in itself, somehow I just do not think it goes with
real hard core UFO investigation. I do believe Brian was a tad upset
with the review, and I do feel bad about that, but I suppose you have
to take the bad with the good, etc. and etc. somemore......
Don
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Public Service Announcement
Date: 19 May 90 13:14:00 GMT
> The following is a public service announcement of ParaNet.
>
> Mail received from Allen Benz for immediate distribution on the network:
>
> NOTARIZED STATEMENT OF ALLEN BENZ
Ed Biebel, Asst. State Director of MUFON in AZ, who was also mentioned in the
article, would also like to state for the record that he was never in Dulce,
nor does he work for the US govt.
For what its worth, I believe both gentlemen wholeheartedly.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: MJ12
Date: 20 May 90 00:19:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "Local General"
* Originally from Richard Salts
* Originally dated 05-19-90 16:39
*
*The latest edition of IUR, the CUFOS pub contains an article on the handwriting
*analysis of the Truman signature.
*
*If this MJ12 doc is a hoax, that should only be the beginning of another
*story for I believe a DOUBLE HOAX to be entirely possible and probable
*in this case.
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: MJ12
Date: 20 May 90 00:20:00 GMT
> * Forwarded from "Local General"
> * Originally from Richard Salts
> * Originally dated 05-19-90 16:39
>
> The latest edition of IUR, the CUFOS pub contains an article on the
> handwriting
> analysis of the Truman signature.
>
> If this MJ12 doc is a hoax, that should only be the beginning of another
> story for I believe a DOUBLE HOAX to be entirely possible and probable
> in this case.
>
That's an intriguing statement, but what do you mean, a DOUBLE hoax?
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: MJ12
Date: 20 May 90 03:46:00 GMT
->If this MJ12 doc is a hoax, that should only be the
->beginning of another
->story for I believe a DOUBLE HOAX to be entirely possible
->and probable
->in this case.
Meaning Moore & Co. were hoaxed by someone else? Who??
BTW, William Cooper is now claiming that John Lear is either "Falcon" or
"Condor". Any truth to this?
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: MJ12
Date: 20 May 90 05:29:00 GMT
> Meaning Moore & Co. were hoaxed by someone else? Who??
That should be directed to Richard Salts, who posted it in the wrong area.
>
> BTW, William Cooper is now claiming that John Lear is either "Falcon" or
> "Condor". Any truth to this?
We're looking into the possibility.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Meier
Date: 20 May 90 06:11:00 GMT
> I concur. Wendelle Stevens was my guest for dinner last Friday here in
> Rochester. He had "answers" for many of the controversial elements of
> the Meier case, however I'm still not convinced of its total
> authenticity.
Can you be specific with some of his answers, Jerry? Sounds like it might have
been an interesting evening.
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Religious thread
Date: 20 May 90 06:13:00 GMT
> If not, let's remember that
> the puropose of Paranet is the study of the paranormal, not the study of
> what various religious groups do or do not believe.
Oooooooooooo, are you gonna get MAIL! I know a few skeptics who are gonna have
fun with that last line!
But stick to your guns!
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: NEW INFO
Date: 20 May 90 06:15:00 GMT
> I'm getting ready to start on the newsletter for our local UFO group
> and I'm in dire need of some up-to-date information. If anyone has any
> current info on any UFO sightings, especially the one in Belguim,
> please leave me a message. Thank you
The Financial Times article is about as up-to-date as we have so far, unless
Hendrick checks in from Germany with something.
Other than that, the excerpt I posted from Dan Wright's letter pretty much
sums up the current situation in the US. The boomerangs are coming!
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From: paranet!p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Doug.Rogers
Subject: Re: Religious thread
Date: 20 May 90 16:51:56 GMT
Jim Speiser writes:
> Oooooooooooo, are you gonna get MAIL! I know a few skeptics
> who are gonna have fun with that last line!
>
> But stick to your guns!
>
Yes, I thought for a L-O-N-G time before I made the post. There are
a number (I have no idea how large) of people who will say that the
study of the paranormal *IS* the study of religion.
I disagree.
Religions (as a general rule) have specific dogma, ususally based
on a "holy" book of some sort. The dictionary defines "dogma" as
"a set of beliefs accepted on authority, as opposed to the result
of one's own reasonings or researches."
The study of ANY SCIENCE dictates that for a hypothesis to be accepted,
it MUST be tested, and those tests must yeild repeatable results.
Reading a passage of a book twice and stating that it says the same
thing each time is not the sort of repeatable result I am talking
about <grin>.
Anyone is free to post opinions here. I was a bit upset that Mr.
Clawson posted his opinions as fact.
There *ARE* religion echos established for this purpose.
When Mr. Clawson decides to present PROOF of his assertions, I'll
be pleased to listen. I, however, would submit that unverifiable
"holy" writings are NOT scientific proof.
Thanks for your support, Jim... I'm sure I'm going to need it. Because
unless someone can show my why this view is in error, this is the
way it's going to be.
Doug Rogers
Echo Moderator
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