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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 233
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 233
Wednesday, May 30th 1990
Today's Topics:
Something of Interest
Aurora
(none)
Re: WOODWARD
Re: INTENT
Re: Stealth/Area 51
Aurora
Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
bumps in the night
Re: T.S. Bennett
MJ12
Skeptics UFO Newsletter
bumps in the night
Re: bumps in the night
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From: paranet!f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Bob.Fletcher
Subject: Something of Interest
Date: 22 May 90 18:03:00 GMT
> New Element Discovered at NRC Research Centre
First class Doug. I have personallay come into contact with the
element in Australia especially in my work.
Bob....
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Aurora
Date: 28 May 90 06:46:00 GMT
Can we get something nailed down once and for all? Why is there so much
confusion about the Aurora project? When I first heard the name, it was being
applied to the sub-orbital space-plane concept that Reagan unveiled. At that
time I never heard anything about it being a super-secret military spy-plane,
in fact its main use was supposed to be commercial. Now I am hearing all kinds
of things from people in the FIDO UFO echo: its a top-secret project being
developed at Nellis, its supposed to replace the SR-71, its a black-budget
item, its operational, its not operational....this is supposed to be a
network, and one that's a cut above the FIDO echo. A network is supposed to
take advantage of the expertise of its users to benefit the rest of the users.
Does anyone here have the knowledge and expertise to tell us what there is to
know publicly about Aurora? If not, would anyone like to tackle it as a
research project? I'd just like to know what the official line on it is, never
mind what the underground base crowd says it is. I'd like this information to
be on ParaNet so that we can stay a cut above the FIDO echo, and so that
people can call here with confidence, knowing that we do our best to present
the facts, without a bunch of convoluted "I-heards".
Jim
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: (none)
Date: 28 May 90 22:16:00 GMT
> From: isis!well!ddrasin (Dan Drasin)
>
> What I was referring to was the use of "new age" as an apparent
> epithet. I was also trying to make a more general point about various
> branches of ufology not listening to each other (in some cases not even
> acknowledging each other's existence!). For example, one aspect of
> ufology that has developed rapidly over the past few years attempts to
> understand the psychic and psychological effects of UFO experiences,
> and to collect and discuss evidence on that level. This (paranet) network,
> for example, is very strong on the "nuts and bolts" and
> "government-political" level, but carries almost no information on
> other aspects of ufology that are being pursued as scientifically (if
> not more so) in other subcultures.
I could agree to this Dan, but where is the data that has come
from the serious scientific study of this aspect? Thus far, I
have not seen any, and would welcome it. I would agree that
there could be some connection to the UFO phenomena, but without
some respectable scientific study far removed from the
pseudo-scientific stuff that I hear about all the time, what do
we go on?
ParaNet is not restrictive to this aspect, either. We are
interested in research of all of it provided it is something
demonstrable. Perhaps you could jump in here with some material
and get the ball rolling?
Mike
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: WOODWARD
Date: 28 May 90 07:19:00 GMT
It's true I don't care much for Pat Buchanan. Mainly because he rarely
deals in facts but is nothing more then a conservative hack who tries
to put the "correct" spin on every event to make it seem like it
supports his preconcienved notion of how he wants the world to be.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: INTENT
Date: 28 May 90 07:43:00 GMT
Feel free to correct me, but as I recall, someone mentioned the subject
of covert action and related topics and I suggested that they might
find the Book Veil interesting. You then went on a great lenght
attacking Woodward. There was no "pollitical" messages until you
started your attacks on Woodward. Unlike some, I don't capture all the
messages, perhaps you do and can see if I have missed something but
your suggestion that I started the political messages by "extolling"
the virtues of Bob, aint he great, Woodward do not jive with my
recollections; I don't believe there were any political overtones until
you choose to try and assasinate Woodward's character.
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka
Subject: Re: Stealth/Area 51
Date: 28 May 90 19:27:27 GMT
While doing some research back to the 50's, I came across a couple
articles in 1952 concerning the government contracts to build a nuclear
powered aircraft. Pratt & Whitney and General Electric were both
working on engines. Another article in the same year stated that they
had the plans on the drawing board for an atomic powered aircraft that
would "dwarf the B-36". Kind of sounds like Hudson Valley, don't it.
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Aurora
Date: 29 May 90 05:20:00 GMT
John:
Please disregard the edginess in my message about the Aurora. I was not
referring to your message, but rather, to several different diatribes I've
seen in the FIDO echo.
Supposedly, Mike has input a message on the Aurora with some information he
received from researcher Barry Taff. Hopefully this will straighten things
out.
Jim
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From: paranet!p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Frances.Jones
Subject: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
Date: 27 May 90 01:20:10 GMT
In a message of <25 May 90 02:10:17>, Robin Gober (1:362/701) writes:
>you story reminds me of some of the polterghiest like activty that goes
>on when the space dudes,(as I call them) begin to work an area or house.
>I wonder can you remenber any other stange or out of the norm events.
>Either at that time or later. Also if it's not too personal how many
>people were in the house,their sex, and age.
The kids tell me that we had a slight tremor two or three days before this
happened, but I don't recall anything like that.
As far as I remember there were three adult females, ages 40, 45, and 70. There
were two children, 1 male, age 10 and 1 female, age 16.
This happened in a wide band across three or four counties.
FJ
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From: paranet!p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Frances.Jones
Subject: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
Date: 27 May 90 21:06:42 GMT
In a message of <25 May 90 21:20:00>, Charles Mcelhinney (1:30223/5) writes:
> Regarding your booms in the night. It sounds pretty weird. About
>the only logical thing I can thing of is some kind of animal hitting the
>side of your house. Of course, this would have to be a rather large
>animal and a rather quick one to hit everyone elses house in the
>neighborhood. Also, he would have to be one smart animal to avoid
>detection. What do you have? Who knows...What do you think it is? What
>are the impressions that you get. Did anyone see anything at all?
No, there was nothing ever seen. This "bump" or "boom", according to the
newspaper the next day, was heard in a 5 to 6 mile wide band across three
counties. Nobody ever gave any "good" explanation.
The thing that puzzles me is that it was heard at my neighbors house, appr. 100
or 200 yards from me, 1 to 2 minutes before it "hit" my house.
If it had been just one "bump" or "boom" and everybody heard it at the same
time then I could have accepted the "sonic boom story", but my neighbor had
heard it and called me to look and see if I could spot "who did it". I went to
my front door, looked out, up and down the street, went back to the phone and
told her I didn't see anything. THEN it "hit my house while I was still talking.
Your guess is as good as mine.
I just wondered if anybody had ever had any similar experiences.
FJ
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From: paranet!p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Frances.Jones
Subject: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
Date: 27 May 90 21:21:17 GMT
In a message of <24 May 90 23:45:00>, Jim Speiser (1:114/37) writes:
>Frances:
>You were hit by FaFroTSkies!!
>
>Seriously, I don't know what that could be, except possibly large
>hailstones. But you said they hit the SIDE of the house?
>Jim
FaFroTSkies is as good a name for them as any I got when I called the police.
I don't know WHERE it hit. It SOUNDED like the side of the house but there was
never anything found that would indicate the house being hit at all.
It sounded too soft to have been hail. More like a VERY large, firmly packed
snowball.
FJ
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From: paranet!p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Frances.Jones
Subject: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
Date: 27 May 90 21:25:29 GMT
In a message of <25 May 90 21:07:00>, Jim Delton (1:114/37) writes:
>I haven't a clue. In fact, a few months ago I heard a terrible racket
>that sounded llike someone was throwing a whole bunch of gravel against
>the side of my house. I rushed outside but there was no one around and
>there was no gravel or any damage to the house.
This was similar. Didn't have the SOLID sound of a rock or hailstone. More of a
*BIG* firm snowball.
When did this happen to you and did your neighbors experience anything similar?
FJ
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From: paranet!p0.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Robin.Gober
Subject: bumps in the night
Date: 28 May 90 04:03:03 GMT
Frances Thank you for the information. I can not make a for sure
statement on your night noses but I can tell you a little about my
stuff. About a year ago I began working on my vistor stuff with a good
therapist. One part of that story that most people don't talk about is the
polterghiest activity. I could talk easily about the space stuff but the
polterghiest stuff was hard. At the time (age 6 and up) we thought it was
ghost or demons. This mad it very hard to talk about. Back to your stuff.
I know it is hard to believe in space guys and polterghiest but belive
me it happens. If you read striebers books closely he too reports knocks
on the door and on the wall. Also an other good book to read is anything
on the famous Bell witch. One of the best stories i can think of.
Now I know that this is a little different than the standard story,that
is that these space guys have only been here for fourty years, that they
are from an other planet and the reason they haven't made contact is, oh
heck I don't know the n for that. But any way it may help you to read
about polterghiest. Also and most importantly you have a right to what
ever feelings you had that night. This has been the most important thing
I have learned, you don't have to prove 100% that you heard the noise or
that you know for sure what it is. I think just looking at the facts is
reason to know that something very odd was going on. It covered too much
of an area and would have taken too many people working to close
together to make it happen. Also for reason would anyone what to do it.
If i wanted to brother people I could think of something much better .
So I would keep an open mind but please don't let other people who were
not there decide what happened. You were there, you felt it, you must
make up your own mind.
In closing here is one little mental trick I learned. Whenever I think
of my stuff I don't make my self prove it happened. Intead I ask myself
what I percevied, and how I feel about that. it can help.
thanks rob
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen
Subject: Re: T.S. Bennett
Date: 27 May 90 18:32:00 GMT
KL> Well, I've been rattling off several letters a day back to Timmy,
KL> and I'm just about to cut him off. Apparently he still prefers
KL> his "bombing runs", with little regard to the content of
KL> the discussions that he interferes with. And talk about
KL> disinformation!
KL>
KL> Timmy still insists that Alternative 3 is a factual
KL> account, and that anyone who disagrees with him is a
KL> government agent trying
KL> to sabotage him. He refuses to respond to any allegations that
KL> he was removed from ParaNet for obnoxious behavior. And I believe
KL> that his role on the UFO echos IS to disinform and disrupt any
KL> meaningful conversation.
KL>
KL> A lawsuit against him? That almost sounds too good to be true...
KL> --- FD 2.00
KL> * Origin: -=ParaNet XI-Gamma(sm)=- OKC *HST* (405)277-3603
KL> (1:30163/204)
Tim is in obvious need of dire medical/pyschological help. He
desperately should seek it as should his "Boss" Milton William
Cooper..they are both 2 peas in the same pod.
As far as Alt 3 is concerned, I believe that it's been dis-credited
already some time ago. I have never read the book myself, but
I would like to if anyone can get the Source info so I can
order it.
As far as a lawsuit..it won't be coming from me..but look at all
those people that Cooper has slandered...George Knapp..John Lear,
Michael Corbin, Friedman,etc...
Bill English has already nailed Bill Cooper a FEW times..and as
far as I'm concerned..T.S has pushed the limit too far now..
SOME action MUST BE forthcoming.
Maybe I shouldn't say anything in Public posts on FIDO..maybe
I should just blow it off and say to myself that the rest of the
Net will consider both Guru Cooper and his Chela Bennett nuts..
I guess I could do that..but as a mere USER (and a former BBS
Sysop) I feel that I don't have to logon and read all that crapola.
So I take it on *myself* to respond to Tim's outrageous claims.
Disclaimer: ParaNet is NOT responsible for my postings nor for
the content of my messages. They are MINE and mine alone, and
I'm *totally* accountable for what *I* say.
I read that ParaNet is preparing a file on Bill Cooper...GOOD!
Let's get this out in the open where all the users can SEE
what a paranoid schizo both he and his SHILL really are.
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: MJ12
Date: 27 May 90 23:54:00 GMT
A relative of mine (ex-Marine) turns out to have been sent with an
Air Force intel officer to interview two Sabrejet pilots who flew on a
ufo intercept back in the mid-to-late '50s. He was an expert in
materials engineering.
Anyway, the story goes that Air Force controllers picked up two
fast-moving unidentified blips and eventually scrambled the pilots on
an intercept. The intercept was perfect, but the targets turned out to
be two brilliant lights. As the targets closed, they suddenly climbed
to 150,000 feet plus, then quickly descended and sped away at Mach 1
plus. He said the fighters were armed, but no gun cameras.
Since it appeared to me that he must have had a rather high security
clearance, I asked him if he'd ever heard the terms Majic or Majestic.
He didn't react at all, just said no.
FWIW.
jbh
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: Skeptics UFO Newsletter
Date: 27 May 90 23:57:01 GMT
> But it still cannot be said that Walters "turned down" the
> Enquirer, right?
Dunno. Not at that time, but he very well may have turned them down
later when he was thinking of doing a book.
Tell you what, though. I'm going to the MUFON symposium in
Pensacola, and I'll ask him that particular question. Remind me.
jbh
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From: paranet!p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Frances.Jones
Subject: bumps in the night
Date: 28 May 90 18:30:13 GMT
In a message of <27 May 90 21:03:03>, Robin Gober (1:362/701) writes:
>therapist. One part of that story that most people don't talk about is the
> polterghiest
>activity. I could talk easily about the space stuff but the polterghiest
>stuff was hard. At the time (age 6 and up) we thought it was ghost or
>demons. This mad it very hard to talk about. Back to your stuff. I know
Robin,
I am, I guess, a little different from most people. I don't get all upset or
frightened about experiences like the "bump". I am only EXTREMELY curious as to
what might have caused it and don't like for someone to try to appease me with
"it was a sonic boom".
I have seen UFO's. I know that there is "something" going on. I just want to
know more about it and learn all I can.
There were waaaaayyyyyy tooo many witnesses to this occurence for anyone to
tell me that it was all in my mind, and it really wouldn't bother me if they
did. I have known too many closed minded people to worry about what they say.
They live in a VERY small world with no hope of ever making it any larger and
they will be the ones who will "panic" if contact is ever made with an alien
group or if it is ever proven that there are ghosts, etc.
I feel that we would have to be awfully vain to believe that "God created
the heavens and the earth" "Adam and Eve" and then he quit and sat back and
watched.
>it is hard to believe in space guys and polterghiest but belive me it
>happens. If you read striebers books closely he too reports knocks on the
This is one problem I don't have. I HAVE read about all of the above,not
Striebers books but others, and totally accept the probability of their
existence.
>about polterghiest. Also and most importantly you have a right to what
>ever feelings you had that night. This has been the most important thing
The only "feelings" I have about that night, as I said before, is extreme
curiosity. It doesn't "bother" me that it happened. I just have the
unquenchable desire to know "HOW", "WHY" and "WHAT".
See ya
FJ
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From: paranet!p0.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Robin.Gober
Subject: Re: bumps in the night
Date: 28 May 90 23:41:52 GMT
Thank you for sharing that with me. I am gald that you aren't worried
about them. Yes I too would like to know just what in hell they are up.
This is one of the reasons I don't buy the viewpoint that these guys are
from another planet> Why would you come all the way here and then just
roam around one night banging on houses. It just doesn't make sense.AS
far as what is the answer the answer is there is no answer. Or maybe the
process is the answer. Any way thank you once again for the information.
Have some fun and I will type at you later!
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