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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 239
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 239
Thursday, June 7th 1990
Today's Topics:
Press Release / UFO Spotlight
ABDUCT Echo
Re: Stealth/Area 51
Re: PROJBETA.UFO
Re: Fido UFO
SURVEY
Re: PROJBETA.UFO
Inside Edition
Re: Fido Ufo
Re: MAG-> UFO UNIVERSE
Message Bases
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Press Release / UFO Spotlight
Date: 3 Jun 90 17:08:00 GMT
May 9, 1990 CONTACT: Rick Edwards (619) 320-8577 or (214) 301-6255
* * * FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE * * *
Finally, A Weekly Television Program Just About UFOs
Palm Springs, CA. The presence of extraterrestrials on this planet is a
worldwide phenomenon. The evidence is overwhelming and undeniable. The
question is: Who are they and why are they here?, asks Rick Edwards, a
spokesman for E.T. Clearinghouse.
E.T Clearinghouse, the producers of UFO Spotlight, a weekly news/documentary
television program, announced the release of their pilot episode. The program
focuses on UFO and extraterrestrial related issues, and they expect to be
broadcasting by satellite early this summer.
More than 23 million people have seen UFOs, Edwards explains. The public
wants to know what is going on, but traditional news media only occasionally
offer a brief news clip of a particular event and treat it as entertainment or
comic relief, he adds. There is currently no serious national television
coverage.
According to Mr. Edwards, UFO Spotlight will fill this void in television
programming for continuous, in-depth coverage of UFOs and related subjects.
The program will explore the impact of the extraterrestrial presence on this
planet and our civilization, Edwards explains. UFO Spotlight asks the
questions that others shy away from, and it encourages the kind of informed
speculation that some programs avoid.
Interviews with leading researchers, authors, and UFO investigators were
recently video taped at the Ozark UFO Conference in Eureka Springs, Arkansas.
Portions of these interviews will be included in the pilot program and in
subsequent shows.
Anyone who has access to information, photographs, or video tapes that might
be of current interest on the UFO/Alien subject, or who would like more
information are invited to contact: UFO Spotlight, Airport Park Plaza, 225 N.
El Cielo Rd. #693, Palm Springs, CA 92262-6914, (619) 320-8577, or UFO
Spotlight, 18484 Preston Rd., Suite 102-131, Dallas, TX 75252, (214) 301-6255.
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Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: ABDUCT Echo
Date: 3 Jun 90 17:23:00 GMT
PARANET STRIKES BACK!
I've always thought that the best thing to do when your reputation starts
getting dragged through the mud, as ours has on the FIDO lately, is to come up
with something that shows why the other guy was wrong from the git-go.
With that in mind, it is our pleasure to present a brand new ParaNet echomail
conference, open to all users, on the subject of UFO Abductions. The Topic
Moderator for the Abduction Echo will be Prof. David M. Jacobs of Philadelphia,
PA. Dr. Jacobs is the author of the landmark work of UFO history, "The UFO
Controversy in America" and a leading abduction researcher. He joins us from
our new Philadelphia node, which Mike Corbin will introduce to you shortly.
More details will follow when all systems have set up their menu structure to
get the ABDUCT echo and when Dr. Jacobs gets up to speed on our operation.
Meantime, we're very excited about this new addition to our database, and hope
we are once again advancing the cause of common-sense Ufology.
Jim Speiser
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Stealth/Area 51
Date: 3 Jun 90 21:23:00 GMT
Aside from all the other imponderables, why would you be willing to
accept that the Gvt would fly a secret craft (the Hudson Valley UFO)
over a populated and heavily travelled area for so long a period of
time? Since even our "proven" technology is purposely keep away from
populated areas as much as possible and even that "proven" technology
crashes and kills citizens on the ground from time to time, why would
the gvt take the risk with the HV UFO?? I think it's a possible
explanation but seems almost more unlikely to me then that the HV UFO
is a true ET craft.
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Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: PROJBETA.UFO
Date: 3 Jun 90 21:35:00 GMT
One of the best ways to judge if something might be true is to ask -
Is it reasonable?
Is it testable?
Is it based on unbiased observation?
Is the "claimant" willing to explain, in meaningfull terms, how he
arrived at his conclusions?
Is it, or has it been, replicated?
Using the Bennewitz stuff as an example, and keeping in mind, it's been
a while since I read it -- Is it really reasonable to beleive that
someone with a home computer, and a not very powerfull one at that,
can decrypt alien/US communications from one of the most supersecret
projects in the world? Has, or even can, Bennewitz explain how he did
it so that anyone else can try and replcate his work? Can anyone else
even pick up the signals Bennewitz claims he recieves or does everyone
else just percieve it as static? How much ambiguity is there in what
he is presenting?
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Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Fido UFO
Date: 3 Jun 90 21:43:00 GMT
Don, can you (OR ANYONE) explain to this poor old country boy how a
FIDO echo gets to be one, who appoints the moderator, how does it
extend itself, etc, etc. I am a little suprised that a nationwide echo
such as FIDO-UFO seems to be without any sort of meaningful oversight
body and that the various systems carrying it seem to have no say in
how it operates other then, I guess, either carrying it or not. Can
anyone (or any sysop) simply elect to start an Echo and once having
started it be the dictator of the thing? I'm sure there are lots of
ways the echos *could* be run and organized but how *are* they run and
organized??????????
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: SURVEY
Date: 3 Jun 90 23:35:00 GMT
Many thanks to John Hicks - I used his replies as the basis for mine
since many of his anwers were similar if not identical to what I
was going to say and it saved me the trouble of formating things.
> 1. Some flying saucers have tried to communicate with us.
Not enough data or of sufficently high quality to answer this
question.
> 2. All UFO reports can be explained either as well understood
> happenings or as hoaxes.
Probably false. That's very unlikely, but possible.
> 3. The Air Force has done an adequate job of investigation of
> UFO reports and UFOs generally.
Probably true. I think they have done a thorough job of investigating
the
ufo phenomenon. However, the problem is that they're not telling anyone
else!
Their reports are not made available for public consumption.
> 4. No actual, physical evidence has ever been obtained from a
> UFO.
Probably false. Physical evidence has been obtained, but hasn't been
conclusively proven to be what it's said to be. Ed Walters' mysterious
liquid, some sort of slag mentioned by Vallee, rumored stuff from
Roswell,
pieces said to have been shot off evading UFOs, the Brazil Mangnesium
pieces,
the farmers hotcakes.
> 5. A government agency maintains a Top Secret file of UFO
> reports that are deliberately withheld from the public.
Probably true. They'd be absolute fools to not maintain files of UFO
reports. Besides, several FOIA request responses point in this
direction.
> 6. No airline pilots have seen UFOs.
Definately false. Many pilots have seen UFO's, doesn't mean they
know
what it was they saw, that's what makes them UFO's.
> 7. Most people would not report seeing a UFO for fear of losing
> a job.
Probably true. I think the public would avoid a brain surgeon who
claims
to have seen flying saucers, and he'd be out of a job.
> 8. No authentic photographs have ever been taken of UFOs.
Definately False. By definition, any photos that weren't hoaxed are
authentic.
> 9. Persons who believe they have communicated with visitors
> from outer space are mentally ill.
Probably True if a tad overstated. Proper studies of UFO contactees
have never really been done but many of the contactees sound mentally
ill to me.
> 10. The Air Force was told to explain all UFO sightings
> reported to them as natural or man-made happenings or events.
Definately true within the context of the last run of Project
BlueBook.
Current AF policy is more ambiguous.
> 18. The government has done a good job of examining UFO
> reports.
Probably true, although that may be giving them more credit then they
deserve. The problem is that they're not telling.
> 19. There have never been any UFO sightings in the Soviet
> Union.
Definatley False. There have been many reports, which, by definition
means
that they have seen UFO's.
> 20. People want to believe that life exists elsewhere than on
> Earth.
Probably true.
> 21. There have been good radar reports of UFOs.
Definitely true. Good enough for scrambles.
> 22. There is no government secrecy about UFOs.
Definitely false. Rolling on floor laughing. The entire government
would
have to be absolute fools to not keep lots of ufo material secret.
> 23. People have seen space ships that have not come from this
> planet.
Data insufficent and not of high enough quality to say if UFO's
are spaceships, or are we seeing something entirely different, as
proposed by Vallee or if it is just some strange meteorlogical
phenomonon or
some other not understood natural event.
> 24. Some UFO reports have come from astronomers.
Definitely true. I don't think there is any group of people, no
matter how
you try and group them, that has not had members who reported UFO's.
> 25. Even the most unusual UFO report could be explained by the
> laws of science if we knew enough about science.
Definitely true. There's the kicker, if we knew enough about science.
If
we knew enough about science, we could say, for instance, that ufos are
definitely visitors from another parallel universe, the future etc. Man
will
never fly, y'know. ;-)
> 26. People who do *not* believe in flying saucers must be
> stupid.
Definitely false. Evidence for UFO's is not good enough to support
that contention. Contrast that with the "Flat Earthers".
> 27. UFO reports have not been taken seriously by any government
> agency.
Definitely false. In fact, it's hard to find any agency with any
remote connectin to natiional security interests who HASN"T taken the
subject seriously enough to at least track reports, "just in case" of
something.
from the CIA on a FOIA request quite a while ago. That seems pretty
serious.
> 28. Government secrecy about UFOs is an idea made up by
> newspapers.
Definitely false. Patently absurd.
> 29. Science has established that there are such things as
> "Unidentified Flying Objects."
Definitely true. If it's not identified, and it flies, it's a
unidentified
flying object. Science doesn't even have to establish that.
> 30. Abduction reports are the result of hallucinations.
Not enough data or of high enough quality. *Something* is causing
people to believe they have been abducted but there is not enough data
to establish the cause as hallucinations, delusiion, mental illness,
wishfull thinking, true abduction or ????. In todays world of instant
communications it is not terribly supriseing to me that many people
worldwide would have similar stories, especially when the "researchers"
advertise for "victims" and selectively choose from amoung the
applicants.
> Finally, what do you believe UFOs to be?
I beleive UFO's are Unidentified Flying Objects for which we have no
satisfactory way of identifying no matter how hard we try.
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Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: PROJBETA.UFO
Date: 4 Jun 90 05:02:00 GMT
Daniel:
I believe I sent a file to our hub system called COOPER.ZIP (if not, I shall).
While this file does not contain every tid-bit that has dripped from Cooper's
lugubrious tongue, it does contain enough of his own rope that it hangs him
quite handily. Specifically, therein you will find several files of Cooper's
own writing, in which he directly contradicts himself over and over and over
and over again. He'll make obvious factual errors in one text, and correct it
in the next with some left-field excuse. Have your ParaNet system file request
COOPER.ZIP for you, you'll find it an education in itself.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Inside Edition
Date: 4 Jun 90 05:07:00 GMT
> Well, bemused or not, I wasn't really impressed with Bob Lazar's
> approach to this. Maybe the guv is hiding something, but the
> chances are that they aren't much more "in the know" than
> anyone on Paranet....
I tend to agree with you, especially on Lazar. I've never been impressed with
the man. Again, there is this tendency for people to think that they can spot
a liar, even a good one. I just don't think it can be done. I've seen some
very convincing liars in my life, and been convinced by them. So often, in
fact, that I just can't take ANYONE at face value anymore. I don't care if
Lazar wept openly on camera, and took 50 lie detector tests. A person's
behavior and demeanor in relating a story is absolutely no indication one way
or the other of truthfulness. (You hear that, Ed Walters?)
Jim
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From: paranet!f0.n9.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Re: Fido Ufo
Date: 4 Jun 90 15:06:00 GMT
> Don, can you (OR ANYONE) explain to this poor old country
> boy how a FIDO echo gets to be one, who appoints the
> moderator, how does it extend itself, etc, etc. I am a
> little suprised that a nationwide echo such as FIDO-UFO
> seems to be without any sort of meaningful oversight body
> and that the various systems carrying it seem to have no
> say in how it operates other then, I guess, either carrying
> it or not. Can anyone (or any sysop) simply elect to start
> an Echo and once having started it be the dictator of the
> thing? I'm sure there are lots of ways the echos *could*
> be run and organized but how *are* they run and
> organized??????????
Although I do not know all the technicalities of the Fidonet
stuff, I do know that once an echo hits the backbone it no longer
truly belongs to the originator. It just depends upon how much
the owner can BS everyone about it and through the use of
political power maintain control over it. Fidonet is not the
world's greatest political structure. Their rules are highly
ambiguous and worded to protect a certain few in the upper
echelon of its structure. For example, the rules state that no
one shall be excessively annoying and that no one shall be easily
annoyed. Pretty much covers the gamut of circumstances.
Actually, I am sure that if this kind of thing is ever challenged
in court, Fidonet might find itself in some hurting shape. You
can bet that as this stuff grows and gets more sophisticated,
that will eventually happen.
This is chiefly why ParaNet is a private network. It can
maintain the necessary control over the echo to keep it from
turning into a circus. We also believe in doing things quite a
bit differently here, as can be seen. I believe that our process
of moderation and echo control allows for all different belief
systems to operate here in a civilized manner without the need
for flames and things that make a conference unpleasant.
Mike
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Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722
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From: paranet!f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen
Subject: Re: MAG-> UFO UNIVERSE
Date: 3 Jun 90 18:17:00 GMT
PP>Last address I have. It's a little town just outside Atlanta for
anyone who
cares. (very nice place)
Thanks Pete..It's ironic..about 1978 or so I was living in
Marietta (where Martin Marietta/Lockheed is) and commuting
to work in Stone Mountain,so I know the area well..Never
knew about this book service tho.
-Don Allen-
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From: paranet!f912.n273.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Joe.Mollica
Subject: Message Bases
Date: 4 Jun 90 23:27:28 GMT
Please Provide me with a Message Base name for the areas that you have
already sent to me. Also I will need info on Dr. Jacobs so I can add him
to the user's list so he will not have to go thru the lenghthy Logon for
new User's Procedures.
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