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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 223
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 223
Tuesday, May 15th 1990
Today's Topics:
For Discussion
Re: (none)
Re: Water Engines... for real!
Re: Meier (TO: Dan Drasin)
Re: Paranet Newsletter 213
Re: Meier (TO: Dan Drasin)
Re: Paranet Newsletter 213
Biblical Accounts
Re: Meier (TO: Dan Drasin)
Yosemite crash?
For Discussion
Re: WATER-POWERED ENGIN
Re: UFO'S AND THE CIA
Re: ECHO GUIDELINES
Re: BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS
Re: Meier (TO: Dan Drasin)
Re: Biblical Accounts
GB Circle
Re: Meier (TO: Dan Drasin)
Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
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From: paranet!p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Thomas.Lett
Subject: For Discussion
Date: 12 May 90 05:41:12 GMT
I would like some response on a concept of using a controlled mass
to do work on a second, or platform, mass. The controlled mass is
in the form of mutiple rings of proportional mass rotating in opposite
directions. The rings velocity must be greater than orbital velocity
and of sufficient size to withstand the centrifugal forces. These
rings would serve as the engine (by controlling their velocity) which
could raise and suspend a platform mass. The concept is throwing
a "heavy" object into orbit fast enough to pull another mass with
it. This vehicle would be able to use electricity as a power source
and should prove to be very efficient.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 11 May 90 17:05:00 GMT
Excuse me for butting in here; but the acceptance of the "expanation"
for the tree in the Mier Films not being where it should have been
makes any attempt at sorting out what's going on useless. If you are
going to accept explanations from the pleadians (thru Billy himself of
course) what's the point of even trying to seperate fact from fiction.
One of the other items that has come up is that Billy Photo of the
Space Girl turned out to be a picture of a Model in a Sears catalogue.
Naturally, you can always come up with an explanation - I think I once
heard that explained away as - the pleadians needed something to model
themselves after so they happened to pick a model from the catalog.
That really makes no sense when you consider that there are lots of
people (real live ones) walking around that they could just look at,
but NOOOO, they have to root thru a catalog to find a photo to emulate.
There are so many things wrong with this case that I am always amazed
at the support it gets when we have cases like Lake Erie, where there
is, at least as far as I have ever heard, no indication of hoax or
fraud and where there are independent gvt witnesses (coast guard) that
back up the witnesses statements. Plus, other independent witnesses who
photographed the same strange triangular objects at the "right" time to
support to sighting. But Lake Erie has been fairly quickly forgotten
while Mier's Pleadians just keep rolling along in spite the incredibly
hoaxy looking films, in spite of the models, in spite of the sears
catalog, in spite of the lack of any independent witnesses.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Water Engines... for real!
Date: 11 May 90 17:11:00 GMT
I certainly like to hear more about the hyrogen engine. Even if the
tank only held enough water for a 75 mile trip, that's a heck of alot
better then a battery powered car. If you only need the car for around
town you could refill your tank at any number of places very quickly.
With batteries you have to wait hours and hours to "refill". Plus, you
have to generate that electricity which means more polution whereas
the water breaks down into a fairly clean material.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Meier (TO: Dan Drasin)
Date: 12 May 90 03:56:00 GMT
-> > up to speed). And of course there is the change in exposure which you
-> > have observed. However, in *other* instances, there is a momentary
-> > *darkening* of the frame. This is *never* observed when a motion
-> > picture camera is momentarily shut off and re-started.
Hello Jim & Dan. May I interject here? I must agree with Dan that flash
frames are the result of a loss of camera speed -- they're consistent with
an unsteady trigger finger or with frequent short takes where the operator
is trying to conserve film.
Something overlooked here is the dark frames, however. I have seen darkened
frames -- on internegative! Operate an optical system intermittently and
you get dark frames.
This opens up a can of worms, of course, because -- while internegative is
an ideal, very professional way to fake superimpositions, it would make NO
SENSE to do optical work on film with flash frames. Unless the object of
the exercise was to include obvious problems with the film (flash frames) in
the hopes that examiners might overlook more sophisticated possibilities
(optical work via internegative).
Even so, a frame-by-frame examination (which flash frames would virtually
guarantee) would lead to the inevitable discovery of the dark frames.
Anyway, it sounds like very, very sloppy optical work!
For what it's worth,
Clark
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 213
Date: 12 May 90 04:00:00 GMT
->Nobody in the Big Apple media even suggests taking these topics seriously.
I disagree. I know people who take it seriously. It just never gets into
print!
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka
Subject: Re: Meier (TO: Dan Drasin)
Date: 11 May 90 17:36:11 GMT
In regards to studying cases which don't contain questionable evidence,
I think we would have to forget about practicly all UFO cases, since
most of them are reported by eyewitnesses. You can't get any more
questionable than that. Most people don't trust photos or films, so
where does that leave us?
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Daniel.Wisnosky
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 213
Date: 11 May 90 23:13:23 GMT
n> All I can tell you is that, except for the low-quality segments
n> on the various network and syndicated shows ("Inside Edition",
n> etc, all of which have been commented upon here) we on the East
n> Coast are getting ZIP! in the way of serious discussion of UFOs.
n> I really envy you folks in Vegas and points west... I drool at
n> all this talk of TV and radio talk show coverage.
Well, the Billy Goodman show was about to go satelite, but I suppose
that doesn't help much being as his show was pulled April 1st. Perhaps,
though, someone could put up transcripts from some of the stuff we've
been seeing here in Vegas (Knapp's reports, ect.
for the people who can't see it themselves.
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From: paranet!p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Greg.Clawson
Subject: Biblical Accounts
Date: 11 May 90 23:47:44 GMT
I wanted to say my views on UFO's and other strange happenings.
First off, I am a fervent believer of Biblical hings. And I am *NOT*
going to preach here but will make some statements to the course of
Biblical teachings.
It is written: About Angels which were around when the Universe was
young. These Angelic hosts where casted out and judged for evil ways
with Knowledge they used. [By the way, this is a Spiritual Account
translated from Bible texts from a King James Version].
These Angels were cast into a place we know of called HELL. And I for
one believe this since many occurances of Spiritual events I witnessed
coincide with Biblical Teachings.
The Bible teaches we are made of DUST. And our souls are the real
living entity that will survive eternity. But, because we
"transgressed" Spiritual law we were casted out. Just like Satan was
but we were given a chance to return via the Christ Regeneration.
And today we see quite a difference in people for no apperant reason
people just outburst with anger and suicidal actions that cause the
death of other's. These people (have irrational) thoughts that before
do *NOT* cause them to do these things.
So there is a Black and White line drawn in this world. An Evil and
Good posture. And this boils down to
"Morality".
Consider if a man was able to leave Earth to go to the farthest end of
the Universe he would have to be able to combat extreem speeds that he
would not die from a heart attack or such fraility. So, it is my
understanding, we are not meant for traveling thru space. But, we are
on this Earth to be searched out if we shall be given these kinds of
bodies..(biblically accounted). To have "Eternal" life. And the
quality that goes with that body. We must be found, "righteous", so
the Bible speaks. And the only way we can get this is if we ask for
it. And believe thru Jesus Christ and his regeneration inwardly.
I say this above because there is a Spiritual evil in this world and
many lies which account that what I have stated is true above. Though
to your own experiences you have accounted above as "ludicrious"
because you have *NOT* had the same experiences as me. I "see" these
spiritual forces with my eyes. And they are not (from the mind) or
some drug I am on. These forces float by my face all the time. Wether
they are good or evil I cannot tell but from the actions I hear and see
from Human Beings I have accounted from. These said actions are 1)
killing people 2) commiting acts of other violent nature 3) and acts
of hatred against your fellow man.
So, I have concluded there is only Black and White in this world. The
meaning is only in the "moral" sense. I also believe it crazy that
people dont believe the Biblical accounts. And this is due impart
because of Spirtual Mind Bending. What ever UFO's there are in the
world, I would consider extreme caution as to believing accounts where
there is much darkness to there explainations. No matter what Kind of
UFO's, or contacts you encounter. I for one have found the Bible
concepts to be valid. (I am not able to explain why here though).
- Greg
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Meier (TO: Dan Drasin)
Date: 12 May 90 19:07:00 GMT
> In regards to studying cases which don't contain questionable evidence,
> I think we would have to forget about practicly all UFO cases, since
> most of them are reported by eyewitnesses. You can't get any more
> questionable than that. Most people don't trust photos or films, so
> where does that leave us?
It leaves us with the photos and films, and other physical trace cases,
regardless of who trusts them and who doesn't. Remember we are STUDYING the
problem, not passing judgement on a whole class of report en masse. SOME photo
cases are intrinsically suspect (Meier, the Breeze, UMMO...), some are thus
far unexplained and do not even hint at hoax (Hudson Valley, Japan, Trent...)
These last require intense scrutiny.
I, for one, don't care what some people "trust" or don't "trust, I just go
where the evidence leads.
Jim
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From: paranet!f204.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Kurt.Lochner
Subject: Yosemite crash?
Date: 13 May 90 07:12:00 GMT
Interesting that that would be the same place mentioned in the
Majestic book. I've been watching the news lately and have seen
no mention of this crash. I did catch the Inside Edition report
on the Roswell incident, but they also sited the Majic-12 reports.
Not very convincing to have that mentioned again ( and again..)
but the interviews with the local folks seemed genuine enough.
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From: paranet!f204.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Kurt.Lochner
Subject: For Discussion
Date: 13 May 90 07:21:00 GMT
TL I would like some response on a concept of using a controlled
TL mass to do work on a second, or platform, mass. The
TL controlled mass is in the form of mutiple rings of
TL proportional mass rotating in opposite
TL directions. The rings velocity must be greater than orbital
TL velocity and of sufficient size to withstand the centrifugal
TL forces. These rings would serve as the engine (by
TL controlling their velocity) which
TL could raise and suspend a platform mass. The concept is
TL throwing a "heavy" object into orbit fast enough to pull
TL another mass with it. This vehicle would be able to use
TL electricity as a power source and should prove to be very
TL efficient.
I've considered that possibility, and mentioned it to a Japanese
professor that I have had for several physics classes. Not
surprisingly, he replied that it could work, provided that there's
enough energy input to equal the force output. Then about eight
monthes later, I hear of the Japanese publishing preliminary reports
about the coupled gyroscopes losing weight....
But I don't think of such a system as an engine, I call it a
Mass Transformer. But your idea has quite a bit of merit!
Talk to me....
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From: paranet!f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ea.Richards
Subject: Re: WATER-POWERED ENGIN
Date: 10 May 90 21:11:08 GMT
Pete, the problem with the idea of running an engine on pure hydrogen, with
water as the byproduct of combustion, is that with the simple H2 it would be
difficult to compress the hydrogen enough to utilize for longer journeys.
And if there is to be a separation of hydrogen and oxygen from water to used
for fuel, the energy to do the separating would be far more than the
resulting fuel would have for combustion. The efficency is the stumbling
block.
What we need is a small nuclear reactor to run a vapor engine using mercury.
The reactor and the mercury supply would have to be collision proof.
(I can here it now from the environmentalists - out of the petroleum pan
into the chain reaction fire!)
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From: paranet!f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ea.Richards
Subject: Re: UFO'S AND THE CIA
Date: 11 May 90 16:34:34 GMT
First of all, who is T.S. Bennett?
Don't tell me, let me guess....
He must be one of conservative bent who doesn't put up with the blather of
the liberals and their media cohorts, one of which categories must include
you.
Both your characterization of the Woodward book, and of Woodward, and of the
targets at which you both have taken aim, are really new whines in old
bottles, to more deftly define your 'whine' choice.
Woodward's books, as so many done by the bleeding heart leftist press, are
written solely for the liberal aggrandizement, slanted directly at people
like you, who then can sit back and say, un huh! yup! Gee, that's right! all
about those nasty conservatives whose philosophies are anathematic in your
jaundiced eyes.
Woodward is a liberal klutz who spends too much of his time deep throating,
not realizing it's passe, if it ever was valid.
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From: paranet!f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ea.Richards
Subject: Re: ECHO GUIDELINES
Date: 11 May 90 16:45:35 GMT
Doug, I believe in the golden rule with regard to BBS forums, which is:
Respond to the tenor of the response....
In some cases, a majority of those holding similar views make the decision
as to what is, or is not, acceptable behavior for those who post. If one's
comments are along those lines held by the majority, then stretching
guidelines is acceptable; if they are comments held by a small minority,
stretching guidelines causes a massive clucking of tongues, accompanied by a
plethora of complaints from the 'oh my goodness, did you see that' set.
So, my responses to responses will be in accordance with the second sentence
above, while my original postings will adhere to standards of decorum,
following the example of those who would dispute.
Perfectly clear?
(Now where did I hear that before?)
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From: paranet!f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Pete.Porro
Subject: Re: BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS
Date: 12 May 90 17:56:13 GMT
I will reply in Netmail, but you have hit one nail square on the head. The
Bible and other religious texts are not literal scientific fact, nor are they
historical texts of recorded research. They are representations of true
events, wisdom, and moral guides. The wisdom of the tribe, passed on for
future generations.
If someone saw a wheel in the sky, and the wheel was run by the faith of
God, it means that. We as later readers may wish to believe it was a UFO, but
the message is not literal necessarily. Stretching a point, maybe Jonah was
swallowed by an underwater UFO? I think that looking for UFO's in the
religious texts is like looking for UFO's in gardening books. If you try hard
enough, one will find something that can be stretched to fit.
As you can guess I believe in the religious beliefs that people have, I also
believe in hard scientific evidence for information. One is based on faith,
one is based on fact. There is no conflict between science and religion, but
when one tries to explain ET's or UFO's based on faith, there arrives a
problem in logical thinking.
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From: paranet!f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka
Subject: Re: Meier (TO: Dan Drasin)
Date: 13 May 90 20:50:00 GMT
Spoken like a true professional!
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Gene.Gross
Subject: Re: Biblical Accounts
Date: 13 May 90 16:48:00 GMT
Greg:
You say that mankind is not meant to travel in space. The reasons
you give sound like the reasons given when we developed cars. There
were a number of articles written by "scientists" and theologians that
stated that man could not survive speeds in excess of 10 mph. Frankly,
I see no reason that mankind can't travel into space. The only
limitation at this point is our technology. We are unable to travel at
c or c+. However, we might soon discover the means of FTL travel.
We have traveled to the moon and back several times. We have
plans on the drawing board for a Mars mission. In another 50 years or
so, we may well see scientific colonies on the moon and Mars, as well
as exploratory missions to some of the outer planets, i.e., Jupiter,
Saturn, etc.
In another two years or so, we will have another Mars probe out
circling Mars taking photos. Among the areas that will be photographed
will be the plain of Cydonia where there appears to be evidence of
other intteligence (not from this Earth). As a fundamentalist, I'm
sure that you'll attribute such a find to the works of Satan and the
fallen angels. You might want to rethink that in light of what the
Bible really says.
--
Gene Gross
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: GB Circle
Date: 13 May 90 20:26:00 GMT
So I see in the latest MUFON Journal that there appears to be an exact replica
of one of the English wheatfield circles in Gulf Breeze. I also see where our
own Ray Griffin was among those who went to the site with investigators. You
do get around, Raymond!
The circle DOES appear to be very similar to the English cases, for which I
have not seen a decent explanation. But something tells me that a little
intensive investigation will provide the "aha!" link. Unfortunately, no one
seems to have the time nor the resources to conduct such an investigation.
Pity.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Meier (TO: Dan Drasin)
Date: 14 May 90 06:25:00 GMT
> Spoken like a true professional!
Thanks, now if only I were! :->
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From: paranet!f3.n1031.z9.FIDONET.ORG!David.Seikel
Subject: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
Date: 2 May 90 20:08:00 GMT
RH > boom, correct? One idea I've played around with in a few
RH > SF stories is that of a teleportation device that operates
RH > by swapping volumes of space. Theoretically, if such a
RH > device is possible, it could be used to move air around the
RH > UFO in such a manner as to not cause a sonic boom. Of
RH > course, why do that; it would be much simpler to just
RH > teleport the UFO itself to its destination.
It could be more effiecient to teleport short distance many times than
teleporting a long distance once.
the DVS one
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