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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 226
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 226
Sunday, May 20th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: (none)
Re: BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS
T.S. vs ParaNet
(none)
Your address from DDN
Taking time off
(To Jim Speiser)
Where I've Been...
New Affiliate
Yosemite Crash?
RE: Paranet Newsletter 223
Re: BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS
Taking Time Off
Public Service Announcement
Re: Woodward and the Company
Re: Anti-grav party tricks
Re: Magnetism
Re: Where'd we come from
Re: Woodward and the Company
Mr Ed GB and conf
Re: Biblical Accounts
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Daniel.Wisnosky
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 16 May 90 22:09:53 GMT
p> Why not? Because it can't exist because mainstream physics has not
p> built devices to measure it because it can't exist because mainstream
p> physics has not built devices to measure it. That's why.
hmmm.. that makes a whole lotta sense to me! Is that some sort of
government logic? That means anything we don't know exists can't exist,
being as since we don't know it exists we don't know how to measure it.
I wonder how far we'd be if scientists durring the Age of Reason used
that kind of logic...
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From: paranet!p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Greg.Clawson
Subject: Re: BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS
Date: 14 May 90 21:50:36 GMT
Yes, thats only part of it Pete. I think alot of people have dismissed
the Biblical accounts of "life". There are strange UFO's and strange
happenings in the world, however, the Bible says in time all things
will be known what was hidden. And even knowledge will pass away!
I am a person that takes on "faith". And that faith is from Biblical
Accounts. I don't think Jonah was swallowed by a UFO. But a real
whale! I think people of the past are *NOT* as stupid as people make
them out to be today. If Ezekial can see the 'mechanical' wonders and
express them.. Who are these people that say Jonah came out of a UFO!
Now, on faith, someday I will wake with the likeness of my maker. Who
is the 'extra terrestrial' of E.T.'s!
Just be carefull that *you* out there dismiss the Bible from UFO
activities. These could be angels preparing the destruction of
mankind!
Because they rejected the Biblical Accounts of the Prophets. And of
Jesus. I believe (and take this on faith) that the world is in
jepordy. The Bible says that the Earth was almost destroyed with a
curse. But Jesus halted this. Read the last account of the Bible in
'Malachi 4:6'. And now if you reject this message too, I believe you
rejected the truth and didnt look into this. This is just a warning
though, to be carefull. Look what happened to the Jew's! 2000 years
almost and just now they are getting it together! While for
generations they didnt loose there stability with God. (Not that it
didnt occur I am just pointing to the rejection here, after Christ,
where they were expelled for there deeds).
I know this is a bit off tract so I'll end this here. But don't deny
that Angelic contacts are not UFO activity! *They Are* I've seen
strange occurances which have lead me to search out the UFO experience.
Which lead me to the Bible and then I found Jesus and was reborn in
spirit, or regenerated with extreem 'fire' that I felt all around me.
You can't say it didn't happen or dismiss this account of activity from
the God of Heaven. Who came and released my mind from evil spirits
that had me mind binded. It was only then that I realized that I had
to be carefull in this UFO thing. And that I could really think for
myself or I knew my own thoughts. I didnt know I was in bondage when
this happened. And so take extreem cautions now about what I see and
hear and experience. I don't want to make monuments to myself on this,
but, just to let you know that God is not far away physically. Morally
yes. And if I had to ask him to reveal himself to me, so do you. But
ask him humbly and tell him you want to know the truth. He'll give it
to you. I am sorry if this is not UFO's or abductions but I think
this contact from God thru the name Jesus is a Unexplained activity.
It's my testimony on UFO's and unexplained phenonima (sp). And I
should also say since that time, I have never been the same.
(humbly and meekly entreated).. - Greg
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From: paranet!p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Burke
Subject: T.S. vs ParaNet
Date: 17 May 90 00:49:34 GMT
Dave: Of overriding concern here (re: expulsion of T.S. from ParaNet)
is the number of defamatory statements he has posted on these echos.
These include not only the statements about Bill English, but
statements about Tracy Torme and a host of others not to mention Mike,
Jim & Don, whom he continues to defame on the FidoNet echo. Therefore
TS would get nowhere by running to the FCC and , in fact, might find
himself in more troublethan he would care to bother with. -- John
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From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
Subject: (none)
Date: 17 May 90 06:40:00 GMT
Dan;
You most certainly misunderstand!
> -+ Don Ecker vs. Brian O'Leary
First and formost, there is NO Ecker vs. O'Leary.......
> oriented (Tesla and Einstein come to mind) will *never* be
> resolved by
> name-calling. They will be resolved by people getting to
I reviewed Brians book, there was No name calling I am aware
of....
I felt then as I do now that first, Brians book was not and is
not UFOlogically oriented. Next, being a retired policeman, I
relate to facts, and Brian is coming from a different
perspective, I said different, NOT WRONG. However, I felt then
and feel now that this book has no place in UFO research, and
without trying to sound too pugnacious, it was my review and what
I found.
> O'Leary's book may indeed have its weaknesses but it puts
> forth a
> great deal of provocative information and candid personal
> experience
> that can't just be swept under the rug because it seems too
> unbelievable, or hasn't yet been developed to the point of
> being
> "utilitarian," or smacks "new age" thought (whatever *that*
Yes, I grant the above, however I still maintain his work has
NOTHING to do with UFOlogy. New age thought is fine, but in
factual research, I feel the book is lacking.
> community as much as it does elsewhere. If we can't listen
> to each
> other and try to appreciate other worldviews (which is,
> after all one
> of the central challenges of ufology), our task is doomed
> to failure.
I have no argument with your last part of the message, but I was
asked to give my impression of his book in relation to furthering
the task of exploring the enigma. In that context, this book, in
my opinion, did not fill the bill.
Don Ecker
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From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
Subject: Your address from DDN
Date: 17 May 90 06:46:00 GMT
> Why is TS Bennett persona non grata? Has he done
> something
> that is criminal in nature? After talking with him on the
> phone
> I'll agree that he appears to a total wack'o ..... but then
> most
> of the people that get involved in this and other
> conferences on
> UFOs are generally wack'o. I'll bet if Lazar wanted to be
> in your
> conference you'd let him tell his wack'o
> stories.....besides TS
> can be somewhat entertaining he is so far of the deep end!
The reason that Mr. Bennett was explused is simple, besides being
"wacko" as you so nicely described it, he engaged in numerous and
slanderous ad hominem attacks upon other users.
Can't life just be a real sunny beach??
Don Ecker
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From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Subject: Taking time off
Date: 18 May 90 15:01:47 GMT
Friends, Aliens, and Gov't Agents: ;-)
I'm going to be gone from 5/25 to 6/4 on vacation. I'll catch all of
you on the flip side.
Gene
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From: asuvax!mcdphx!xroads!gmz (Gerry Zeitlin)
Subject: (To Jim Speiser)
Date: 19 May 90 01:20:08 GMT
Jim, I have a photo you might find interesting.
If you would send me your mailing address (or email to me
at CIS 71605,2013) I could send it to you.
=gerry=
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Where I've Been...
Date: 17 May 90 18:56:00 GMT
> From: Tom Betz <tbetz@upaya.UCAR.EDU>
>
> What I want to know is how upaya.lilink.com
> suddenly became a member of the UCAR.EDU domain!
>
> Where's our Paranet Security chief? Any idea?
>
Merely a formality, Tom. <grin>
The mail is being routed there due to the tremendous load that it
was placing on another system. We now have a system which does a
mail exploder and sends all the digests out. This way we only
send one out and voilla! multiple digests.
Mike
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From: paranet!f102.n167.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Patrick.Laberge
Subject: New Affiliate
Date: 16 May 90 05:14:00 GMT
> Bien content d'apprendre que je suis pas le seul a placoter
> anglais dans le coin.
Oops a little bug. Anglais should read Francais.
Pat
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Yosemite Crash?
Date: 18 May 90 05:14:00 GMT
> In the words (more or less) of Dan Drasin, with whom I had a private
> email discussion of this, "Clearly, either something is going on there,
> or it isn't."
Well, Gerry, look at it this way. Either you're right about that last
statement, or you're wrong.
You figure it out!
Hey, are you still in town? Call!
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: RE: Paranet Newsletter 223
Date: 18 May 90 05:16:00 GMT
>
> From: webb@afglsc.span.nasa.gov
>
Nice to see we have a feed into NASA. Happy reading, guys!
Jim
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Daniel.Wisnosky
Subject: Re: BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS
Date: 17 May 90 22:36:51 GMT
GC> This is just a warning
GC> though, to be carefull. Look what happened to the Jew's! 2000 years
GC> almost and just now they are getting it together! While for
GC> generations they didnt loose there stability with God. (Not that it
GC> didnt occur I am just pointing to the rejection here, after Christ,
GC> where they were expelled for there deeds).
I have a question. As a Jew myself I'd like to know exactly where I was
expelled from, and for what deeds.
GC> You can't say it didn't happen or dismiss this account of activity fro
GC> the God of Heaven.
Ummm, I try not to get into debates over people's beliefs, but I assume
that by "this account" you mean the New Testiment, and that was written
by people, not G-d, almost a century after Jesus's death.
Hope I don't start a big religious dispute by this message.
C yas
Dan
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Taking Time Off
Date: 19 May 90 01:13:00 GMT
> From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
>
> Friends, Aliens, and Gov't Agents: ;-)
>
> I'm going to be gone from 5/25 to 6/4 on vacation. I'll
> catch all of
> you on the flip side.
Have a wonderful time and don't get abducted! <grin>
Mike
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Public Service Announcement
Date: 19 May 90 01:24:00 GMT
The following is a public service announcement of ParaNet.
Mail received from Allen Benz for immediate distribution on the
network:
NOTARIZED STATEMENT OF ALLEN BENZ
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
1. I, Allen Benz, President of the Foundation for UFO Research
with offices located at 3900 East Timrod Street (Mailing address:
P.O. Box 182, Tucson, AZ 85702-0182), hereby state:
a. That material contained in an article appearing in the
publication called FOCUS: The quarterly newsletter of the Fair
Witness Project, Inc., dated December 31, 1989 titled, "UFOs and
the government, part 3" by William L. Moore contains factual
inaccuracies regarding me and my activities.
b. I have never worked for the U.S. Government in any
capacity either overt or covert.
c. I have never been in Dulce, New Mexico.
d. I have never been in Rio Arriba County, New Mexico.
e. I have never been on the Jicarilla Apache Indian
Reservation in New Mexico.
f. I have never "sought tribal permission [i.e., from the
Jicarilla Apache Indian Tribe] to go UFO hunting."
g. I have never owned or had the use of "a car full of
cameras and video equipment."
h. Neither Mr. Moore, nor anyone connected with him and/or
his publication/organization ever contacted me regarding the
allegations contained in the above mentioned article.
i. That I am ready and willing to take any generally
recognized test for truth verification, the results of which
would be admissible in a court of law.
j. The test(s) referred to in paragraph (i) above must be
conducted by a competent, disinterested party who is not now and
never has been affiliated or employed by either the United States
Government or William L. Moore or his associates. The test
conductor must be appropriately licensed and his/her
methodolgy(ies) must be accepted by a recognized body of forensic
specialists.
2. I declare, under penalty of perjury, that the foregoing
statements are true.
Signed: Allen Benz
Date of Signature: April 25, 1990
Notarization
The above identified person, Allen Benz, appeared before me on
this 25th day of April, 1990 to subscribe and swear to this
statement and to affix his signature thereto by my witness.
Signed: Cecilia S. Nuarez
My commission expires April 1, 1993.
Notary Seal
END RELEASE
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Gene.Gross
Subject: Re: Woodward and the Company
Date: 19 May 90 02:18:00 GMT
Don:
That's great. We'll actually be in Altamonte Springs. I'll give
you a call once we get down. I'm leaving here 5/25 in the morning.
Should be down there that night. I think we are going over to see my
daughter on Saturday. But after that things are loose and free.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Anti-grav party tricks
Date: 19 May 90 03:16:00 GMT
->Sorry, Clark, but everyone knows the wildest parties are in
->Texas!
->
Hi Kim. I spent some time in Austin last spring and you fellers DO seem to
have something down there (even though word here is that the WILDEST parties
anywhere are in Rhode Island).
->all just a party trick, but sometimes I wonder if the
->induced meditation state doesn't have a lot to do with it
I agree with you here and (I'm a little uncomfortable admitting this)
perhaps the most interesting point about our shared experiences with these
"party tricks" is the psychic component to each of them.
It seems that in your case -- as in mine -- a form of meditation/relaxation
plays a big part in the levitation. And, in both our cases, these
meditation/relaxation procedures WORKED and produced levitation.
So what kind of party trick is this, anyway? Mesmer used hypnosis as a
party trick -- ether anesthesia was used as a party trick -- what about this
levitation stuff?
Is this the precursor of some actual technology? And if so, shouldn't it be
studied? I haven't the foggiest idea how it works, but it does demonstrably
work!
Best (to Texas),
Clark
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Magnetism
Date: 19 May 90 03:23:00 GMT
->Speaking of gravity, I've seen the anti-gravity trick that
->Clark talked
->about. Was at a party while in college and someone brought
->it up. So
->we got a fellow who weighed in at 285 pounds to be the
->subject. Then we
->got the four smallest ladies present, and they did in fact
->lift him
->straight up into the air over their heads. Most bizaare
->little stunt
->I've ever seen. There might be a good explanation, but I
->haven't heard
->it yet.
Me neither, Gene. Me neither. Howya doing', guy?
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Where'd we come from
Date: 19 May 90 03:32:00 GMT
->Mind sending yours--got something I'd like to send your
->way.
Certainly!
Clark Matthews
P.O. Box 3934
Jersey City, NJ 07303-3934
Look in email for my phone number!
-> stuff in my head that passes for brain tissue. ;-)
... such stuff as dreams are made on ...
->Wonder if that means they also had fewer problems with
->egos!? ;-)
Somehow I doubt it. Peking man's favorite dish was ... Peking man. So our
egos may actually be settling DOWN. (Maybe it started when Peking man
discovered Peking ducks)
->There is, in fact, a
-># rather involved feminist rubric of beliefs growing up
->around the RNA
-># studies, but I'm not familiar with them.
->
->I can think of a few groups that might not like this.
So can I, and I'm sorry I posted it. For all & sundry, all this post means
is that "I'm not familiar" with these beliefs. It's a statement of fact and
non-judgemental. I promise to keep it off this echo.
So look in email for my phones & some more news, Gene!
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen
Subject: Re: Woodward and the Company
Date: 19 May 90 04:05:00 GMT
Gene> That's great. We'll actually be in Altamonte Springs. I'll give you a
Gene> call once we get down. I'm leaving here 5/25 in the morning. Should be
Gene> down there that night. I think we are going over to see my daughter on
Gene> Saturday. But after that things are loose and free.
Way cool..Altamonte is just down the road a bit. BCNU then.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen
Subject: Mr Ed GB and conf
Date: 19 May 90 04:19:00 GMT
Well folks our central Florida PN feed is temp out of service until
Ken Macht gets back from his road trip..his board ain't working
properly :( so this is tolet you know that John Hicks probably won't
be giving his report on Mr Ed for a few days still. I think John
will have alot to say. I've talked to him via email and he informs
me that he spent a few hours with Mr Ed and Bruce Maccabee.
I'm looking forward to hearing about it since GB is in our own
backyard.
Note to Paul Faeder: You've done a super job of patching things
together..any chance of the central Fla area getting a more
solid feed? It would sure be appreciated on *this* end.
Does anyone know what has happenned to the ET echo? It seems
to have died on our end here in Fla.
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From: paranet!p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Greg.Clawson
Subject: Re: Biblical Accounts
Date: 18 May 90 04:29:32 GMT
As far as accounts go as to what I meant on Space Travell. In my view
crawlling to Mars (With puny FTL [Faster Than Light] speeds) that Earth
will find [somehow] in the near future is spittle. But, its a start
yet not a REAL travell speed I was thinking about.
Alot faster than your thoughts indeed. You don't think travelling to
the end of the Galaxy (or even to another Galaxy) is available to us
(in 1 lifetime?) in near future technology? It would take a Human
being to live quite a long time to get to the end of the Galaxy.
I also have to say that the Bible teaches "Eternal Life". So I will
have all the time to get to one place or to another. Which then makes
"time" in travell irrevellant. And my faith more outshining current
known events and reality. It is far better to have faith in the future
of a Bible that has been proven in it's forecasting. Than the present
evil minded world and the knowledge it has. Or future knowledge it
will aquire.
- Greg
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