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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 211
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 211
Tuesday, May 1st 1990
Today's Topics:
nar
Re: Frequencies, moderators, and scientists
Re: Paranet Newsletter 209
Another Movie UFO plot
Death of Chronocentricity
Couple of things
Re: Flap In Belgium?
Sonic booms & UFO's
Re: Important Info.
Sonic booms & UFO's
Flap in progress?
Sonic booms & UFO's
Flap in progress?
Re: (none)
Re: Flap in Belgium?
Re: Flap in Belgium?
Flap in progress?
Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
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From: ZAK@cu.nih.gov
Subject: nar
Date: 27 Apr 90 21:10:43 GMT
== For Your Information ==
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>From: Alex Leavens <alex%Atherton.COM@HARVUNXW.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Frequencies, moderators, and scientists
To: Multiple recipients of list PSI-L <PSI-L@RPIECS>
David Barton asks what the nature of the Nevada Aerial Research
Newsletter is; when I made my posting, I deliberately refrained
from discussing the newsletter, or its contents, simply because
much of what they focus on is not the topic of this list. NAR
primarily focuses on the topic of UFOlogy, with specific interest
in the information (or disinformation) regarding Groom Lake,
Area 51, and the US Gov't/Greys secret treaty. If anyone's
curious, e-mail me privately for more details. NAR also covers
a fairly wide range of 'alternative reality' stuff; information
on the Supreme Court turning the US into a police state (which
has already happened), biomedical research, the use of mental
hospitals as a form of political control (which has a long and
ignominious history in the US) and other equally radical topics.
Anyone interested in more info about frequency research
involving brain entrainment can contact me; I've got further
info about frequencies, and approaches to take in studying
them.
--alex
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From: Mike Storke N7MSD <storkus@nevada.edu>
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 209
Date: 27 Apr 90 21:11:43 GMT
Does anyone know how to get a hold of Goodman? This may be a long shot, but
maybe the university radio station would like to put him on the air. We
already have plenty of students, what about someone who actually has something
to say? Just my thoughts on the matter, Mike
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From: Thomas Lapp <mvac23!thomas@louie.udel.edu>
Subject: Another Movie UFO plot
Date: 28 Apr 90 17:26:59 GMT
-+ Report on new movie:
-+
-+ Alien Seed. Released 1989. I.P. Associates(?) Not distributed in
I think this was released to theatres -- at least I remember seeing the
title before.
Anyway, I recently stumbled onto a movie on television a few weeks back
that really had a UFO theme. Perhaps someone else can tell me the title
and date of release.
The only major actor that I can recall was Cybil Shepard.
In the film, set in the southwest US, the local farmers are upset to find
that their cattle are being mutilated. It turns out that a local hermit has
a 'light-laser-like knife' which he uses to painlessly kill the animal and
sever parts. He then takes these parts back to his shack, where, in the
back is a tunnel with a 'time-warp' kind of hole to which he is impelled to
toss these parts.
Sybil Shepard, and a male actor, both find themselves back in this small
town while things weird are going on. Both find out that they feel like
they have been here before. Both find out that they both saw a UFO when
they were 4 years old, and that no one in town would believe them at the
time. So they become 'soul friends' since they have this unbelievable
event in common.
Eventually, the hermit gets carried away, and starts killing and mutilating
people and takes people parts back to his time-warp hole. He also seems to
"know" about these two other people and does his best to drive them out of
town. They are undaunted, and eventually track him down to his tunnel
and time warp. At this point, he starts after them with his light stick,
but plunging it into Cybil causes nothing to happen -- it just enters her
body and comes out again with no harm done. He then realizes that she is
not 'normal' and in a struggle (the male hero shows up about this time),
the hermit is tossed into the time-warp.
Also about this time, some sort of 'mother ship' UFO appears above the
hermits shack and tunnel and "takes away" the time-warp tunnel. The hero
and heroine watch all this in awe as it is the same thing they saw before,
except close-up this time. They wave goodbye to the ship as it goes off
into the sky. The End.
(Sorry, I missed the very beginning of the film, so I don't know the
circumstances of how things started in the first place).
(Another point: the male may have been a Mark Harmon type. I don't recall.
Cybil's father was played by Raymond Burr. The hermit was a name actor as
well, but I don't recall his name.) I thought the film was interesting since
it portrayed both human and cattle mutilation (a topic I've seen in Paranet
several times). The UFOers weren't portrayed as either bad guys or good
guys, but just different. A lot of things went unexplained as well.
- tom
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From: logajan@ns.network.com (John Logajan)
Subject: Death of Chronocentricity
Date: 29 Apr 90 19:56:43 GMT
The fallacy of Chronocentricity
Chronocentricity attempts to explain much -- instead explains
nothing, yet requires a lot of words to do so.
The false thesis is that we are limited by chronocentricity to
always explaining things in the terms of the known. This is bass-
ackward. EVERYTHING has to be explained in the terms of the known
-- explaining in terms of the unknown is not explaining at all!
Chronocentricity by definition, then, encompasses every
explanation.
Once you cut through the fog, you can see that chronocentricity is
but a fancy way to say that we don't know everything yet.
Startling!
Let me be anti-climactic in dealing with the assertion that the
view of mind as computer is proof of the chronocentricity thesis.
Nonsense. The computer is an INTENTIONAL attempt to mimic the
human mind. Although from a historical sense it might be more
intuitive to say that the computer is mind-like, reciprocity in
this case allows the correct conclusion that the mind is
computer-like.
Chronocentricity is a ludicrous way of making the simple statement
that we don't know everything (yet.) As I have shown, it predicts
nothing more than the simpler statement -- so apply Occam's razor.
- John Logajan @ Network Systems; 7600 Boone Ave; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428
- logajan@ns.network.com, john@logajan.mn.org, 612-424-4888, Fax 424-2853
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From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Subject: Couple of things
Date: 30 Apr 90 23:19:41 GMT
Hi ya'll,
It has been a while.
Mike, I'm sorry to hear about what's been happening in your life. Let
me know if I can do anything to help you.
One thing, is the BBS down until Mike gets back up, or is there another
BBS that I can modem to from home. I get the list at work, but I
sometimes modem in at night from home. That is usually when I can enter
in pieces of info that I just don't have time to do during the day. I
want to continue my dialog with Paul and few others about precognitive
dreams.
Now a final item. I've been reading a book called "Nighteyes" by
Garfield Reeves-Stevens. It is about UFOs, abductions, and government
cover-up. Supposed to be pure fiction--but some of it leaves you
wondering. Budd Hopkins is mentioned. None of the other names rung any
bells. It is a compelling read--intense. Reeves-Stevens has a knack
for pulling you in to the world he has created in the book. I won't
give away the ending--mainly 'cause I'm not finished with it yet. But
it is an interesting book. Also, the is another one that I finished
some months ago called "Probe." I don't remember who wrote it--but it
too deals with UFOs and abductions (fictionally). Anybody else read
these books? If so, comments!?
Well, gotta run. The thunder storms are hitting, and it's going home
time. Now where did I put my water wings!!?
Gene Gross
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Re: Flap In Belgium?
Date: 26 Apr 90 22:29:00 GMT
Regarding Belgium:
There have been several reports coming out of there since November, 1989. I
have attempted to contact an Air Force official for that country, but have
not met with success. I also understand that the sightings are ongoing. I
also have some information coming from the AP bureau there. I will get it
online soon.
Mike
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
Subject: Sonic booms & UFO's
Date: 22 Apr 90 23:22:13 GMT
With the speed that UFO's seem to be able to attain, I'm curious if there
have ever been reports of sonic booms heard? I've never read of one being
reported.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Kay.Schaney
Subject: Re: Important Info.
Date: 22 Apr 90 21:18:00 GMT
I would say that a professional investigator might communicate "Secret
Information" by private E-MAIL.
Posting a Public Message saying that somthing "HOT, HOT, HOT" is
happening, but we can't post it, just gets everyone "HET UP". I think
that most of the people here in this message base immediately prick up
their ears when this sort of message is posted.
I say either share the information publicly or keep it private if it is
not to be made public. Don't wag carrots around in front of me, please!
Jest my 2 cents.
Kay
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Sonic booms & UFO's
Date: 23 Apr 90 06:40:00 GMT
>
> With the speed that UFO's seem to be able to attain, I'm curious if
> there have ever been reports of sonic booms heard? I've never read of
> one being reported.
No, and that's one of the little chestnuts that the slide-rule types trot out
to rail against the phenomenon. "An object accelerating to those speeds would
create a sonic boom. Since none are reported, UFOs don't exist." (Said while
pushing glasses against bridge of nose with index finger).
There is a phenomenon, which at this time must be treated separately,
called "skyquakes," mysterious booming sounds heard over large areas, which
cannot be associated with known aircraft in the area. Hot spots for these
include Hawaii and New Jersey.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Flap in progress?
Date: 23 Apr 90 06:46:00 GMT
Received from Dan Wright, Deputy Director, Investigations, Mutual UFO Network:
<<For what its worth, things are really popping. From March 1 to April 10, I
received 46 case reports, nearly 40 of which referenced events in the November
to early March period. That is highly unusual and may well suggest an intense
period ahead....the reports were concentrated in Florida, Arkansas,
Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee and Oklahoma, but with several from northern
states - Indiana, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and Oregon....several of these were
genuine daylight reports...
The "vogue" vehicle(s) has/have been described as a boomerang, triangle,
wedge, arrowhead, stingray, and flying wing...All I know is that, Bob
Oechsler's protestations to the contrary, this is not the B-2.>>
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
Subject: Sonic booms & UFO's
Date: 23 Apr 90 22:56:15 GMT
In a message of <22 Apr 90 23:40:00>, Jim Speiser (1:114/37) writes:
>"An object accelerating to those
>speeds would create a sonic boom. Since none are reported, UFOs don't
>exist." (Said while pushing glasses against bridge of nose with index
>finger).
Alright, so what creates the boom? It's supposed to be the breaking of the
sound barrier. But are aerodynamics involved. Or to put it another way, what
method of supersonic travel would not create a sonic boom? If air or air
pressure is involved how can one travel without disturbing the air?
>There is a phenomenon, which at this time must be treated separately,
>called "skyquakes," mysterious booming sounds heard over large areas,
>which
>cannot be associated with known aircraft in the area. Hot spots for these
>include Hawaii and New Jersey.
Yes I've heard these when I was living on the NJ shore. Explanations were
earthquakes in mid-ocean or military planes traveling over the ocean. I would
think that there would be recordings of seismic activity if they were earth-
quakes. Military jets are possible if their flight plans weren't reported
because of secret missions etc.
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
Subject: Flap in progress?
Date: 23 Apr 90 22:55:01 GMT
In a message of <22 Apr 90 23:46:00>, Jim Speiser (1:114/37) writes:
>suggest an intense period ahead....the reports were concentrated in
>Florida, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee and Oklahoma, but with
>several from northern states - Indiana, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and
>Oregon....several of these were genuine daylight reports...
Pennsylvania huh? I feel sort of left out. I never see or read of anything
happening in PA.
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Marsh
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 23 Apr 90 19:52:36 GMT
DW> going to pull in more money) for the reason that the show doesn't fit
DW> the stations format (unless there's been a format change, which there
DW> hasn't been at KVEG). That just wouldn't make sense, nor would it be
DW> financially sound.
Agreed.... Not only didn't the show fit the format but... I'm saying
lately (NOT CURRENTLY)... that time space is just silence. There is
NO show in it's place from my source.
Jeff
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From: paranet!f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen
Subject: Re: Flap in Belgium?
Date: 27 Apr 90 05:03:00 GMT
BC>A friend told me that a few days ago he could the tail end of a TV item
BC>that carried a movie footage from Belgium. My friend who has looked at a lot
BC>of UFO footages over the years described it as looking like the typical
BC>effect one gets of a defocused image of say Venus, only difference being
BC>that this one for a change was apparently a daylight footage. He wasn't
BC>very impressed. Thats all I know. Regards from down under.
Hey,thanks for the response Bill. I didn't expect to see anything
about it in the States in the papers,media,etc but had hoped to
hear about it on *this* net.
Regards- Don Allen
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From: paranet!f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen
Subject: Re: Flap in Belgium?
Date: 27 Apr 90 05:10:00 GMT
BC>Several times the UFO was "seen" from the ground, but each time the
BC aircraft got there too late. Scientists on the ground appear to have
BC>produced an image of the object. It is a triangle 30 metres to 50 metres
BC>in diameter, with red, green and white lights at the corners, 10 times
BC>brighter than any star. It has a convex underbelly and makes a whistling
BC>noise.
Yowya! Now,That's what I call a "biggie"! Thanks again Bill.
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From: paranet!f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Finney
Subject: Flap in progress?
Date: 25 Apr 90 06:16:53 GMT
> Received from Dan Wright, Deputy Director, Investigations, Mutual UFO
> Network:
>
> suggest an intense period ahead....the reports were concentrated in
> Florida, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee and Oklahoma, but with
> several from northern states - Indiana, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and
> Oregon....several of these were genuine daylight reports...
what areas of Tennessee are involved?
john
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From: paranet!p0.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Robert.Hood
Subject: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
Date: 26 Apr 90 06:36:12 GMT
You asked what sort of propulsion could propel an object such as a UFO
at supersonic fields without causing a sonic boom, correct? One idea
I've played around with in a few SF stories is that of a teleportation
device that operates by swapping volumes of space. Theoretically, if
such a device is possible, it could be used to move air around the UFO
in such a manner as to not cause a sonic boom. Of course, why do that;
it would be much simpler to just teleport the UFO itself to its
destination.
I believe aerodynamics play a part in the sonic boom phenomenon. A
sonic boom is what one gets when the "sound barrier" is broken. The
sound barrier is described in one place as air "piling up" at the nose
of the vehicle that impedes said vehicle's progress, correct? Thus, the
breaking of this barrier happens when the vehicle's speed causes the
air to stop piling up in front of it. This air is forced aside by the
vehicle and causes the boom. Theoretically, a well-designed vehicle
could stop the initial piling up of air, thus not making a "sound
barrier" in the first place. If there is no sound barrrier, it can't be
broken - right? Thus, no barrier, no boom.
I think I'm right on this; can someone out there tell me if I'm
off-base?
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
Subject: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's
Date: 28 Apr 90 02:56:55 GMT
In a message of <25 Apr 90 23:36:12 >, Robert Hood (1:362/701) writes:
> >I believe aerodynamics play a part in the sonic boom phenomenon. A sonic
>boom is what one gets when the "sound barrier" is broken. The sound
>barrier is described in one place as air "piling up" at the nose of the
>vehicle that impedes said vehicle's progress, correct?
Actually I don't know. Sound uses air as it's medium so what you're saying
makes sense.
>Theoretically, a well-designed vehicle
>could stop the initial piling up of air, thus not making a "sound
>barrier" in the first place.
So you're saying that something with a good aerodynamic design would be less
likely to create a boom? You could be right. A stealth fighter that makes a
sonic boom wouldn't be too stealthy would it?
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