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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 221
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 221
Friday, May 11th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: Knapp/lazar
Re: Brian O'Leary & Dr. Ruth
Re: UFO'S AND THE CIA
UFO chronology project
Re: Knapp/lazar
Re: Interesting Docs &/or Callable BBSs
Re: KNAPP/LAZAR
Re: WATER-POWERED ENGIN
Net Coordinator
Re: Knapp/lazar
New Affiliate
Anti-grav party tricks
ParaNet mailing list
Re: UFO'S AND THE CIA
Re: Magnetic grid?
Re: Thoughts and miscellany
Meier (TO: Dan Drasin)
Yosemite crash?
Re: Paranet Newsletter 213
Re: ASTROPHYSICIST
UFO chronology project
Re: UFO'S AND THE CIA
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Schuster
Subject: Re: Knapp/lazar
Date: 9 May 90 13:19:00 GMT
I can imagine how things are. I've had to move (on the spur of the
moment, so to speak) many times. But I gave that S##t up for civilian
life many years ago ;-).
Take care and thanks very much for your reply. Best regards,
... don s ...
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Brian O'Leary & Dr. Ruth
Date: 10 May 90 05:00:00 GMT
If Brians's book was anything like his "rebuttal letter" then your
review was undoubtably right on the mark. If you are under the
impression, or if O'leary is saying he completed the Astronaut traning
program, that is at odds with his own book on the subject. He was only
in the program for maybe a year of less and I don't beleive he ever
really completed it although from the way he discribed it in his book
it didn't really have an end point, you were just sort of in the
program untill you get a ride or got out.
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From: paranet!.123/21@f21.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Edward.Melville.@.123/21
Subject: Re: UFO'S AND THE CIA
Date: 10 May 90 07:08:44 GMT
> hand a little on comparing EA with TS. Considering TS's
> present standing as persona non grata on ParaNet, and
> considering his obviously demented state of mind, that could
That seems to follow a clear path of the bigotry that Paranet is walking.
Pretty much any UFO organization seems to be a 'persona non grata'. Is there a
reason for this, or will you offer an excuse?
Edward
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: UFO chronology project
Date: 10 May 90 06:33:00 GMT
My gosh, Keith, you must have ESP. I was about to suggest a project of exactly
this sort.
Bob Gribble's "Looking Back" column in the MUFON UFO Journal is a chronology
of sorts, although he tends to stick to the sightings.
Good luck - excellent project!
Jim
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Marsh
Subject: Re: Knapp/lazar
Date: 9 May 90 12:13:56 GMT
MC> No problem. George Knapp has promised me a tape very soon. The
MC> special is to run at least through the middle of this week.
Ya know Mike,
I was thinking, since I'm the only one here locally in Vegas anymore
(sorry to here it)... Why don't you and I try to get Knapp to access
my BBS. You saw what I had locally, (as far as a local echo/subboard)
and I have Paranet, etc... Maybe Knapp would like to learn how to use
these 'infamous' bbs's to see for himself what goes on.
What do you think?
Jeff
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka
Subject: Re: Interesting Docs &/or Callable BBSs
Date: 9 May 90 17:59:23 GMT
As far as the KRILL files, you can get them off of TWIN STAR II BBS in
Las Vegas at (702)-457-1866. I believe he also has the Don Ecker file
you mentioned, and maybe a few others.
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From: paranet!f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ea.Richards
Subject: Re: KNAPP/LAZAR
Date: 9 May 90 15:13:10 GMT
Mike: With regard to prostitution's being legal in one county, and not in
another, and disregarding the fact of the concept of prostitution, it's
strange that one may be within the law on one side of a line, and breaking it
on the other side.
This same phenomenon occurs where wet and dry counties in certain states are
adjacent.
My point is, why should it be that way? Why not the same law, with the same
allowances or penalties throughout the entire nation, such as is under the
federal statutes?
We conservatives have ever been in favor of less federal government and more
state's rights; however, there are instances in which the varying state laws
are discriminatory in language and enforcement where individual rights of
traveling citizens are concerned.
But, I have no solution to the complex problem....
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From: paranet!f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Pete.Porro
Subject: Re: WATER-POWERED ENGIN
Date: 9 May 90 19:01:58 GMT
I have not seen the reports or much lately, but the water is broken down
into Hydrogen and Oxygen. The H is used for the combustion, the result is
non-poluting exhaust. Great old theory, if he did it get ready for another
revolution in transportation and the reduction of fossil fuel consumption in
the industrial advanced countrys.
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Net Coordinator
Date: 10 May 90 19:18:00 GMT
This is to announce the appointment of a new ParaNet Network Coordinator --
Paul Faeder.
Paul has demonstrated outstanding initiative and competency in
this area in getting ParaNet's structure stabilized during my
recent move.
In the weeks and months ahead, Paul will be implementing a
structure that will assure constant, un-interrupted mail service
should one of the hubs equipment fail.
Please direct your network questions to Paul at 268/102 or 30163/203.
Congratulations Paul on a job well done.
Michael Corbin
Administrator
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Re: Knapp/lazar
Date: 10 May 90 19:23:00 GMT
> I was thinking, since I'm the only one here locally in
> Vegas anymore
> (sorry to here it)... Why don't you and I try to get Knapp
> to access
> my BBS. You saw what I had locally, (as far as a local
> echo/subboard)
> and I have Paranet, etc... Maybe Knapp would like to learn
> how to use
> these 'infamous' bbs's to see for himself what goes on.
>
> What do you think?
Good idea. I touched on this briefly with George once. He has
access to a computer in his general manager's office, but it does
not have a modem yet. I will ask George if he had any luck
getting one and get him to call you.
Mike
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: New Affiliate
Date: 10 May 90 19:51:00 GMT
This is to welcome the newest addition to the ParaNet family.
ParaNet DELTA-ALPHA
Patrick Laberge
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
514-388-3071 2400
On behalf of the ParaNet family, WELCOME! Please take a moment
to introduce yourself and your interests.
Michael Corbin
Administrator
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From: "Kim J. Trull" <TRULL@cl.uh.edu>
Subject: Anti-grav party tricks
Date: 11 May 90 23:29:51 GMT
Clark's description of his anti-grav party trick reminds me of
the anti-grav trick we used to do way back on Girl Scout
campouts...
A group of people sit on the floor encircling another person
lying on the floor, back down. One person is the leader and
sits at the head. The person on the floor lies perfectly
still, arms at her sides while all others, except the leader,
has the forefinger of each hand under the persons body.
Hands don't have to be touching, but more or less evenly
spaced under the body. Everyone sits with eyes closed while
the leader massages the temples of the person on the floor.
While doing so, the leader softly speaks, as when leading
a guided imagery meditation excercise. Essentially, the
imagery is a story about the person on the floor, such as
"You see the other car coming towards you, you feel the
crash, you feel yourself lying on the ground, etc. (Doesn't
have to be that negative, but they generally were.) Now
the ambulance has arrived, and you feel yourself being
lifted, your body feels as light as a feather and you feel
yourself going higher and higher..." Anyway, the words,
"you feel yourself being lifted" is the signal for everyone,
including the leader, to start lifting the person on the floor
with only thier forefingers. Now, I've some some people
cheat and end up using their hands, too, but I've also seen
a couple of people lifted, literally as high as the others
could reach with *only* the tips of the forefingers touching
the person. Generally, when the lifting stops there is a
small pause, and then the person wakes up, often screaming
at the shock of being so high. I tend to agree that this is
all just a party trick, but sometimes I wonder if the
induced meditation state doesn't have a lot to do with it --
convincing the person that he or she really is being lifted
and his/her body feels weightless.
Sorry, Clark, but everyone knows the wildest parties are in
Texas!
KJ
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From: paranet!f204.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Kurt.Lochner
Subject: ParaNet mailing list
Date: 10 May 90 20:41:00 GMT
No, there hasn't been any problems, just the usual munging of files
that takes place when somebody new/moves on the nodelists.
As I understand it, there should be no more difficulties for a while
but don't quote me on that, would like to hear a reply back from
you, sorry to hear about the file server going down on that end.
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: UFO'S AND THE CIA
Date: 10 May 90 15:11:00 GMT
> > hand a little on comparing EA with TS. Considering TS's
> > present standing as persona non grata on ParaNet, and
> > considering his obviously demented state of mind, that could
>
> That seems to follow a clear path of the bigotry that Paranet is
> walking. Pretty much any UFO organization seems to be a 'persona non
> grata'. Is there a reason for this, or will you offer an excuse?
>
> Edward
I'm not aware of any UFO organization that is banned from using ParaNet...?
I understand that TS Bennett was banned for making wild and unsupportable
accusations against Bill English. As I don't know the entire circumstances I
won't say any more, especially since I don't think we have to defend ourselves
to someone who has resigned anyway.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Magnetic grid?
Date: 11 May 90 04:43:00 GMT
Jim, I can only speak for my forefingers, and I think I could JUST BARELY
manage to lift 20 lbs per finger. But when you do the levitation, there is
practically no perceived weight. Also no torn ligaments or dislocations.
I understand that the levitation works with objects like steamer trunks,
cinder blocks, etc. The actual weight is not the issue.
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Thoughts and miscellany
Date: 11 May 90 05:16:00 GMT
->He said that "we don't know if we actually
->originated on this
->planet." What do the rest of you think? I wonder if there
->is evidence
->to suggest that the human race (regardless of skin color we
->are one race
->of beings) did not evolve on this planet. Does anyone know
->of any
->research that might have been done in this area--good
->research not
->something flaky?
Hi Gene! Long time no type. BTW, can you furnish a mailing address again
so I can send you the Harris paper? I think I probably have your address
somewhere on my file disks of captured BBS traffic but I cannot find it!
Unfortunately for Dr. Leary's hypothesis, the preponderance of evidence
points to human physiology changing very LITTLE over the last 2-1/2 million
years. The reason is "Lucy", the hominid fossil girl discovered by the
Leakeys in Oulduvai Gorge.
>From the neck down, Lucy is virtually identical to a female homo sapiens
sapiens. Even her pelvis is within present human parameters (people had
smaller heads in those days, remember). The similarities are really quite
striking, especially the joints of the legs -- they are identical to our
own.
What all this means is that homonids -- culminating in US -- have been
walking upright and occupying very similar bodies for millions of years. We
have not always been particularly smart -- but we have been physically more
or less the same.
The Leakeys were astounded by this. Lucy threw a "monkey wrench" into the
search for a missing-link-type of human/anthropoid ape ancestor creature.
Anthropologists had thought that such a common ancestor might be three or
four million years old. Now it appears that the great anthropoid apes
branced away from humanity much, much early than previously imagined.
Another productive area of study is placental RNA. All human females --
regardless of race -- seem to produce identical placental RNA. This has
been confirmed in several studies of placental RNA from women of all racial
groups around the planet. Moreover, human placental RNA is apparently quite
different from anthropoid apes' placental RNA, which points to a very
ancient divergent between the species.
Interesting sidelight: Many feminists have latched onto the RNA studies as
proof of a "Universal Eve" -- in all probability a black woman who lived in
the vicinity of Kenya upwards of 2 million years ago. There is, in fact, a
rather involved feminist rubric of beliefs growing up around the RNA
studies, but I'm not familiar with them.
I forget where I read all this, but I'll try to find it. I do remember
seeing a "Nova" program on the RNA discoveries, though.
So what does all this mean for us ufologists? I suppose it means that
if we share a common alien ancestor (or a genetically engineered human
ancestor) -- that ancestor was VERY old ... and rather dumb.
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Meier (TO: Dan Drasin)
Date: 11 May 90 05:46:00 GMT
> Jim, that's more of a philosophical argument than a scientific one;
> according to the Meier material, the Pleiadeans explained that the
> proximity of the craft had exposed the tree to damaging radiation;
> they therefore "time-shifted" the tree to take it out of our
> dimension. Now, that may or may not be true, but there is no hard
> evidence either way that I am aware of.
Dan, Here is where we have to define some parameters. You are right, this is a
matter of philosophy, and its my philosophy that, (a) short of extracting a
signed confession, one can never prove a hoax, because (b) no matter what the
negative evidence, someone can ALWAYS come up with a mitigating argument, no
matter how ridiculous and 180 degrees contrary to common sense (as you must
admit the above "time-shifting" is); therefore (c) since we cannot prove a
hoax in a questionable case, the best alternative is to ignore said cases,
because (d) there are so many good cases that do NOT present questionable
evidence. So when I tell people not to pay any attention to Meier, I'm not
saying its a proven hoax, I'm saying that since its PROBABLY a hoax, let's not
waste our limited time and resources on it, let's look elsewhere.
> Look again, Jim. There are several points at which the craft snaps
> instantaneously from one place to another. In some of these, there is
> what's called a "flash frame" (an overexposed frame) which indicates
> that the camera was momentarily shut off (the overexposure results
> from the relatively slow shutter speed as the camera once again comes
> up to speed). And of course there is the change in exposure which you
> have observed. However, in *other* instances, there is a momentary
> *darkening* of the frame. This is *never* observed when a motion
> picture camera is momentarily shut off and re-started. It cannot be
> accounted for by the normal mechanics of cinematography.
Yes, of course, there are SEVERAL aspects of the Meier case that leave me
scratching my head; they do nothing to overcome the negative evidence. They
simply raise the question of how he did it, rather than if its real or not.
Science can say nothing about this; simple common sense tells me that if a man
has genuine evidence of alien contact, he wouldn't sully it by creating
hoaxes.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Yosemite crash?
Date: 11 May 90 06:21:00 GMT
> I've just heard a report of a possible UFO crash that occurred in
> Yosemite within the past few days. A group of people in the area
> witnessed a "red sphere" descend to the earth, the actual point of
> contact being out of sight from their position, and were subsequently
> herded out of the area by government or military personnel, who
> proceeded to close the area.
Can you give us some idea of the source of the reports?
>
> When I say "area" I actually don't know whether it was in the park
> proper; the town of Mariposa was mentioned.
Interesting....that's the fictitious name of the town in MAJESTIC - a novel
about the Roswell crash.
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 213
Date: 11 May 90 06:22:00 GMT
>
> From: Tom Betz <tbetz@upaya.UCAR.EDU>
And where, pray tell, have YOU been! Howdy, stranger!
--Jim
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From: paranet!f3.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: ASTROPHYSICIST
Date: 11 May 90 06:31:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "FIDO SCIENCE Echo"
* Originally from Henry Shaw
* Originally dated 05-07-90 09:12
>...most of his work involves classified work for the Gov't.
Either he is "stretching the truth" a bit, or he does not spend "most of his
time at the telescope", as he claims, but rather, is also involved in some
theoretical work.
We have a number of astrophysicists here at Lawrence Livermore National Lab
(quite a few, actually). One of Livermore's primary missions, as you may know,
is the design of nuclear weapons. Why then do we have astrophysicists?
Because the thermonuclear fusion reactions occurring in stars are the same
reactions that power the weapons. The complex computer codes that can model
the dynamics of high temperature and pressure plasmas can be used to model both
the interiors of stars, as well as the interiors of nuclear explosions. It is
thus not inconceivable that this guy was telling the truth.
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: UFO chronology project
Date: 10 May 90 15:47:02 GMT
> The only thing I can think of that I consider an "event" of the
> '80's is the Hudson Valley (NY) UFO.
From what I've read, the Belgium UFOs are very similar to the Hudson
Valley UFOs. FYI
jbh
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: Re: UFO'S AND THE CIA
Date: 10 May 90 15:51:03 GMT
> Too bad you're not here to see this, but upon information and
> belief, you're right, it was.
I suspect you're right. Although I think Haig's stars may have
colored his decisions on many occasions, I seriously doubt he could
condone the Watergate operation, along with the other dirty tricks.
jbh
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