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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 207
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 207
Wednesday, April 18th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter
Flap in Belgium?
Re: Looking For A Book
Re: Black Helicopters
Re: Black Helicopters
Re: Black Helicopters
Re: Tesla
Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter
Re: True..
Re: Windshield Guy
Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter
Steath Corvette And 'Bob'...
Gasoline Alley UFO theme; new movie: Alien Seed
Re: Important Info.
Klass
(none)
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen
Subject: Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter
Date: 17 Apr 90 03:19:00 GMT
JD>But you are going well beyond the original premise of one
JD>items of knowledge being given to us to the premise of an
JD>invasion of cargo fleets of alien goodies that would be handed out on
JD>the corner for free. If the aliens get into that mode, we will have
JD>plenty of things to cause chaos besides a few capitolists worried
JD>about market share.
Actually,I just exploring different avenues of looking at the
whole shebang. I do hesitate to play the "what if" viewpoint as
I don't see much profit in that,but I feel we are at an impasse
now,with some investigations still continuing and the Gulfbreeze
"incident" appears to be the main subject of debate.
I really just don't know what to make of all these alleged claims
of greys taking over..I don't have enough information yet to
really form a solid opinion yet..it would appear that somethings
going on here that smells rotten but at the same time I can't
put my finger on it exactly.
I've seen both extremes...from Lear,Cooper to Lazar..what I'd
like to *see* is something that I can sink my teeth in and
feel good about..no disinfo crap..no rigged GB photos...
Still,the decade is young and I ain't been raptured yet ;^)
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Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:209/722
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen
Subject: Flap in Belgium?
Date: 17 Apr 90 03:24:00 GMT
Has anyone got any info on the UFO flap in Belgium? I heard a
very small piece on radio about something recently,but (of course)
there wasn't any info on the TV..
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Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:209/722
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From: paranet!f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Carr
Subject: Re: Looking For A Book
Date: 17 Apr 90 03:52:00 GMT
You don't need vulcanism to explain the release of gases. There are
a number of mechanisms I can think of. It makes sense to me that
the thermal stresses near the terminator must be considerable. The
radiation equilibrium temperature cahnges by about 300 degress C across
that line! Now, imagine that you are a large bit of rock and YOUR
temperature just dropped 10^2 degrees C or more (or increased).
Wouldn't you move around a bit?
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From: paranet!John.Burke
Subject: Re: Black Helicopters
Date: 16 Apr 90 23:23:00 GMT
Jim: The article just mentioned that the NRO exists, in spite of
gov't. denials. They didn't give any other details. -- John
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From: paranet!John.Burke
Subject: Re: Black Helicopters
Date: 16 Apr 90 23:34:00 GMT
Mike: I was referring to Bill Cooper, a purveyor of some of the
wildest stories to be found in ufology. (He's big on secret deals
between the gov't. & the aliens.) The only other source to which I can
direct you as far as the black helicopters go is an article (about 80
pages long) written by Bob Oeschler (sp?) in the 1989 MUFON Symposium
Proceedings. You can pick it up for about $15 from Uncle Walt Andrus
at MUFON. Also, UFO magazine did an article about the Black
Helicopters a while back. You can order the back issue. (It was the
cover story.) If you read _Report on Communion_ by Ed Conroy you'll
see about his run-ins with these helicas well. -- John
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From: paranet!John.Burke
Subject: Re: Black Helicopters
Date: 16 Apr 90 23:45:00 GMT
Jim: Don't worry. I'm not about to start believing in Cooper's
Material. My point was that I didn't believe in the NRO (because it
plays an important role in Cooperology) until I read that article.
-- John
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Tesla
Date: 17 Apr 90 06:01:00 GMT
> I have heard of Project OZMA, but frankly I can't
> imagine Carl Sagan not announcing it if anything
> intelligible
> had been received. The official story is that Frank Drake
> bootlegged time on a radiotelescope for the the search. The
> book
> SETI has a good history of the search for ET radio waves,
> as
> do other publications of Sagan and the Planetary Society.
> Tesla was never mentioned in any of the SETI books and
> articles I've seen.
John, this is very intersting. Could you steer me to some source material
on project OZMA? I'm very intersted in this old project, its players,
methods, data and consequences.
Many thanks!
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter
Date: 16 Apr 90 22:55:00 GMT
I can't dispute that if you make the scenerio wild enough that, yes,
there would be upheavel. But you are going well beyond the original
premise of one or two items of knowledge being given to us to the
premise of an invasion of cargo fleets of alien goodies that would be
handed out on the corner for free. If the aliens get into that mode,
we will have plenty of things to cause chaos besides a few capitolists
worried about market share.
--
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: True..
Date: 16 Apr 90 22:56:00 GMT
The subtly could also be an indication that they don't really exist.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin
Subject: Re: Windshield Guy
Date: 16 Apr 90 23:31:00 GMT
Thanks, a recent article out of Las Vegas had his moniker on it, but
perhaps it's a rewash. The message was forwarded to me from the the
Northwest (Washington). It may have been just know getting there.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!David.Mottern
Subject: Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter
Date: 17 Apr 90 01:32:00 GMT
So in other words...
If the government DOESN'T try to shut down Paranet then
what is being said on Paranet must be true.
AND...
If the government DOES try to shut down Paranet then
what is being said on Paranet must be true.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding some VERY subtle logic here but my Logic 101
Professor would have given this kind of reasoning an F- .
--
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From: <GRAHAM%IUCF.BITNET@UICVM.uic.edu>
Subject: Steath Corvette And 'Bob'...
Date: 17 Apr 90 17:18:27 GMT
A friend of mine just recently showed me the May, 1990 issue of
Car and Driver magazine. On page 125 is an article entitled
"Stealth Corvette". It's not a joke. The gist of the article is
about a man, "Bob" (not his real name), who modified a 1986 Corvette
to make it "invisible" to conventional detection methods such as radar.
"Bob" is doing this in Nevada. Allow me to quote a few lines from
the closing paragraphs.....
"Bob is a tinkerer..."
"Bob would like to listen for extraterrestrial perpetrators..."
"That's not a pipe dream--not for Bob." "Nobody's been able to get
into Groom Lake, a supersecret military base in Nevada also known
as Area 51, Site S4. Bob says, "They have nine UFO's kept up there".
Well, there probably isn't any significance to this article. Some
possibilities:
a.) "Bob" is someone who really has the Corvette, and knows about
Lazar's story. As a sort of joke, he chose the name "Bob" for
the interview with Car and Driver.
b.) "Bob" really is Robert Lazar.....Naaah!
c.) "Bob" and his "Stealth" Corvette is simply another piece of
disinformation to throw us off-track.
Just thought you might find this interesting.
Jim
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From: keithr@tolkien.wv.tek.com
Subject: Gasoline Alley UFO theme; new movie: Alien Seed
Date: 17 Apr 90 17:22:12 GMT
I'm following with some interest the current Gasoline Alley
comic strip. To my knowledge, the current UFO sighting theme started
4-11-90. Walt, middle-aged husband of Phyllis, says he saw a saucer.
She, disbelieving, tries to talk him out of it. He decides to go
for a walk to visit Skeezix, his son. Today, Walt visits Skeezix at
the gas station where his son works. Walt says to a derisive, "Were
there any little green men?", that they had little heads and giant
bodies. This reminds us of the Russian Voronezh sighting and a
Kansas or Oklahoma sighting of about the same time, right? I wonder
where the cartoonist will take this theme?
Do any of you know of any comic strips that treated the UFO in a series
over some days, developing the theme? This can't be a first, right? There
are, of course, countless one panel gags about UFOs, and Hynek was famous
for is collection of them. But is this the first comic strip series to
treat the UFO?
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I have a report from a UFO researcher friend that he came across a new
movie on video tape only, apparently. It is called "Alien Seed" and the
blurb on the back mentioned "MJ-12". He found it at a Bend, OR, 7-11
convenience store. Bend is 170 miles from me. I've checked a few places
in town and no one has heard of it. If anyone knows more about this,
please tell us. I will view it if I can get a copy, and I'll make a
report back here.
Thanks,
Keith
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From: sparta!esanborn (Ed Sanborn)
Subject: Re: Important Info.
Date: 17 Apr 90 21:56:36 GMT
Hello Mr. English,
I've been meaning to correspond for some time now. With your recent
posting to Don (I assume Ecker) my curiosity has been peeking.
We haven't met or corresponded before so allow me to intrduce myself. My
name is Ed Sanborn. As well as Systems Administrator for a small computer
networking company in Massachusetts I've been serving as the latest in a long
line of MassMufon State Directors. I'm a relative new-comer to the
research/investigations but I find myself having to learn in leaps and bounds.
I'm located in a section of Mass. that has about 20 or so well known researchersand it has afforded me alot of insight into the UFO/alien/goverment conspiracy/
cover-up/? field. At any rate, having only peripheral knowledge into your
work I can see you've done alot for the cause. I've read your paper, the
title of which sits at my desk at home right now, which I received at the
Las Vegas Mufon Symposium last year. I found it intriguing.
Bill, if I can be of any assistance or if I can act as a relay to any of the
other UFOlogists in the area here please fell free to email me or phone, or
write. Take care.
Edward A. Sanborn
175 Cross St.
Lowell, Ma. 01854 H# (508) 453-5609
uunet!sparta!esanborn
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From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)
Subject: Klass
Date: 18 Apr 90 01:20:37 GMT
Jim: I'm eager to see what you have on the U of N incident. I
trust that the subject will be of interest to others, otherwise
send to me privately. Needless to say, I find this behavior
rather bizarre.
(Jim and John) As for the challenge, I offered it only as a
possible source of the legal threat rumor. I heard about it
at a talk by Klass in SF probably in early 1989 under the
auspices of BAS. I hadn't heard that Hopkins met it. Frankly,
I can't imagine the FBI taking the abduction cases very seriously in the absence
of convincing physicaltraces. It seemed like a counter-PR ploy
to me at the time.
My first knowledge of the MJ-12 documents was through
the first articles in SI, but even so the inconsistencies looked
pretty damning to me. The Truman signature transplant was the
the coup de grace.
(JIM) Obviously, the decision as to whether Klass speaks for CSICOP is
CSICOP's to make. As a professional scientist, I don't see
Establishment Science as monolithic an entity as others might.
I do, however, recall with distaste the necessity of narrowing my
intellectual interests as a grad student. Now that I'm mostly in industry,
I find I have more intellectual freedom, though ironically, I get this
conference via a university based UNIX system.
(JOHN) Clark certainly reads like an advocate to me in his "Fringes
of Reason" essays. I realize that advocacy is a both a hazard and alas,
somewhat of a necessity if one wants to get heard.
My original point was that Klass seemed to be getting
trashed without any evidence being presented. Admittedly, I'm a
relative newcomer to ParaNet and the specifics may be common knowledge,
neverthless, I think its a good idea to repeat them ocasionally as the
membership is growing and changing. --- John
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From: isis!well!ddrasin (Dan Drasin)
Subject: (none)
Date: 18 Apr 90 12:13:31 GMT
Skepticism and debunkery
To: John Logajan
Your recent posting on Clark and Klass was first-rate. Thanks
particularly for your crystal-clear description of Klass' errors of
logic, and of the vital distinction between intelligent skepticism and
mere scientistic debunkery.
Skepticism has always seemed to me not to be a right, but a privilege;
a privilege earned by doing one's homework impeccably and maintaining
a sense of humor about one's own position and opinions. An unqualified
skeptic can be as destructive as an unqualified physician.
=d=
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