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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 219
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 219
Thursday, May 10th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall
Re: Magnetic grid?
Re: Magnetic grid?
Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall
Re: Magnetic grid?
Re: Magnetic grid?
Re: UFO'S AND THE CIA
Magnetic grid?
Magnetic grid?
MAGNETIC MAPS
UFOs Abound
Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall
Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall
Re: MAGNETIC MAPS
Ufos Abound
Bill Cooper's Downfall
Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall
NUFOC
UFO chronology project
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
Subject: Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall
Date: 8 May 90 03:13:13 GMT
In a message of <06 May 90 10:33:38>, Jeff Marsh (1:209/725) writes:
> I see it now. These guys (i.e. Lear, Cooper) are people who at one
>time or another, we (as people interested in UFO's) took fairly
>seriously. Well... my opinion is: They meant to do that... then
>are now meaning to allow themselves to be discredited to put a
>larger dent in the debunking and undermining of serious ufologists.
>One possibility...? We'll know for sure if Lear starts screwing up
>like Cooper in the near future.
I'm convinced that Cooper is in it for the money. He's a showman and anyone in
show business needs publicity. Look at Zsa Zsa Gabor. Do you ever see her
acting in anything? I don't. But her name is extremely well known.
But what are Lear's motives? He seems to be financially well off and he
doesn't seem to be deriving income from the UFO business. Isn't he a biggie in
the Lear jet corporation?
I thought that Lear and Cooper were "UFO buddies", at least for a while. Now
they are at opposite ends. Possibly Lear just wants to disassociate himself
from Cooper (?)
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
Subject: Re: Magnetic grid?
Date: 8 May 90 02:54:56 GMT
In a message of <07 May 90 12:15:00>, Jim Speiser (1:114/37) writes:
>
>Amie Michel's Straight line theory turned out to be basically reading
>something
>into the data that wasn't there. The same answeres could be developed by
>randomly generating "sighting" locations as by plotting real sightings.
I'm trying to see if there's a pattern of some sort but if there is one, I
haven't seen it yet.
One of the other things I ponder about is the different shape of the UFO's.
There are round ones, triangular, wedding cake etc. Is there a purpose to each
style of ship? Are these different styles representative of a changing
technology at the ET's homeworld, or are they representative of different
races visiting us?
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
Subject: Re: Magnetic grid?
Date: 8 May 90 03:09:35 GMT
In a message of <07 May 90 12:16:00>, Jim Speiser (1:114/37) writes:
>but some are more persuasive and, just as important, there's evidence
>that governments think some of these theories have merit. I'm speaking
>of the major US installations at Pine Gap in Australia, among others.
>And rumors of bizarre tests and other phenomena at these places.
>Perhaps the most interesting part is a step-by-step lesson in how to
>induce anti-gravity. It works.
Thanks for the tip Clark. I'll check into this.
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall
Date: 8 May 90 03:46:00 GMT
> I'm convinced that Cooper is in it for the money. He's a showman and
> anyone in show business needs publicity. Look at Zsa Zsa Gabor. Do you
> ever see her acting in anything? I don't. But her name is extremely well
> known.
Kinda like Peggy Cass and Charles Nelson Reilly...
>
> But what are Lear's motives? He seems to be financially well off and he
> doesn't seem to be deriving income from the UFO business. Isn't he a
> biggie in the Lear jet corporation?
He is the estranged son of William Lear of Learjet fame. He did not inherit
the family fortune, but instead makes a decent living as a DC-10 pilot. I've
been to his house, he lives well, but not like a king.
>
> I thought that Lear and Cooper were "UFO buddies", at least for a
> while. Now they are at opposite ends. Possibly Lear just wants to
> disassociate himself from Cooper (?)
I think there is a shred of sanity and perhaps scruples in Lear, whereas
Cooper is completely lacking in both. Either that or Lear is simply smart
enough to see that his friendship with Cooper was a sinking ship.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Magnetic grid?
Date: 8 May 90 03:50:00 GMT
> In a message of <07 May 90 12:16:00>, Jim Speiser (1:114/37) writes:
Your softare seems to be infatuated with me, Paul. Not only did I NOT write
that message, I didn't write the previous one either. Or is it because I used
the Forwarding function? (The new Qecho munged three days worth of messages, I
spent three hours this morning fixing it, and forwarding was the only way I
knew how to get Qecho to treat them as "virgin".)
Jim
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Magnetic grid?
Date: 8 May 90 03:55:00 GMT
-> Thanks for the tip Clark. I'll check into this.
Don't mention it. The anti-grav. method is a timeworn PARTY TRICK. But
don't dismiss it just because it's a party trick. It does work. Even
weirder, it seems to have a psychic component. Beats the hell out of me,
but there it is...
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: UFO'S AND THE CIA
Date: 8 May 90 04:02:00 GMT
->Woodward dupes, who hang on his every word as Biblical
->pronouncements, admit that what Woodward claimed as gospel
->from Casey's death-bed lips were somewhat far-fetched.
->
->Casey's wife said they were absolute lies - and she was
->there....
Ea, politics aside, I must agree with you here. Woodward's Casey death-bed
confessions are patently false. Casey was comatose, on a ventilator, and
completely unreachable for months. Woodward's story is a lie. So, in all
likelihood, are many of the suppositions he tries to put in Casey's mouth.
I know someone who's prospering at the Washington Post and I don't think
much of the person. In fact, I don't think much of the paper.
How does the saying go about the Wash. Post? I believe it's "Sally Quinn
screw*d her way to the top, Bob Woodward lied his way to the top ... and
Kate Graham does everything on top..."
Or words to that effect. Tell me, Ea, do you believe Woodward's so-called
wondersource, "Deep Throat" ever existed? Just curious.
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: Magnetic grid?
Date: 7 May 90 19:29:00 GMT
> I'll have to keep a watch for this book. What you're saying
> regarding his observations is something I've been thinking
> about. If a map showing these "lines of flux" as you put it,
> were fixed in position it might be interesting to see if there
> are more UFO's reported along these lines than outside of them.
I don't think there are any lines of flux, except that at any point
on which you are standing could be considered to be a point on a
north-south line of flux. I think we just call it lines of flux as a
convenient term.
In the case of the Earth, it would actually be more like a hollow
sphere which would dip toward the surface at the poles.
jbh
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: Magnetic grid?
Date: 7 May 90 19:36:01 GMT
> For instance, why are UFOs "hanging around" certain areas? They
> seem to come to an area like the Hudson Valley, Gulf Breeze,
> Fyffe Alabama; stay around for a while and then go away.
Bear in mind that there are two huge military installations in the
immediate Gulf Breeze area. UFOs supposedly like military bases.
jbh
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: MAGNETIC MAPS
Date: 7 May 90 19:38:02 GMT
> Paul: If you wish to procure maps which show the relative
> intensity of magnetic patterns, via their deviation, go to your
> local flying service and check out air navigation maps which
> have isogonic lines on them which indicates parallels in
> magnetic variation.
Nautical charts can also supply similar information, although aero
charts may have more detail.
jbh
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: UFOs Abound
Date: 7 May 90 20:15:03 GMT
> Believe me, I'd love to think otherwise, but from my experience
> with mainstream journalists, this is all a product of sweeps
> month.
I second that opinion. As an aside, a local TV news staff turned an
insignificant case of a kook holed up in a convenience store into
pratically a miniseries, complete with updates every few minutes, etc.
As if that weren't enough, the next night one reporter intervied
another about his participation (answering the phone).
jbh
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Daniel.Wisnosky
Subject: Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall
Date: 7 May 90 21:54:49 GMT
PF> I'm glad to see Cooper get what he deserves but am a bit upset with L
PF> admission that he and "another person" dreamed up the Krill material.
PF> Lear and/or Moore involved with the UFO Coverup Live TV show? How much
PF> material on there was "dreamed up" ? and why did Lear admit to this? T
PF> seems to be a movement to "come clean"; first Moore and now Lear and w
PF> this other person that helped with the Krill papers? Why are people f
PF> up to things which may never have been discovered if only they kept th
PF> mouth's shut?
I saw that, and I thought that Lear has said he heard Cooper talking to
someone else at a UFO conference, and heard him say that he had made up
Krill, not that he (Lear) himself made it up.
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Marsh
Subject: Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall
Date: 8 May 90 10:28:43 GMT
PF> But what are Lear's motives? He seems to be financially well off and
PF> doesn't seem to be deriving income from the UFO business. Isn't he a b
PF> in the Lear jet corporation?
PF> I thought that Lear and Cooper were "UFO buddies", at least for a whi
PF> they are at opposite ends. Possibly Lear just wants to disassociate hi
PF> from Cooper (?)
Actually, Lear was/is disinherited from the LEAR fortune/company/estate
whatever you call it. He is fairly well off... he has tried
(unsuccessfully) to run for public office in Las Vegas and Nevada...
etc... etc... I'm not saying any of this is fact... but I have good
second hand information... he used to work for good friends of the
family and my father when he worked for Lockheed.
My friends (who Lear flew for) say he was a bit "wierd" and that
he was disinherited from the Lear estate and company. I don't know
this for sure, it's only second hand knowledge.
Jeff
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From: paranet!f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ea.Richards
Subject: Re: MAGNETIC MAPS
Date: 8 May 90 02:25:18 GMT
Paul, you asked if those magnetic lines only depicted the degrees between
true north and magnetic north.
Yes, but the more deviation, the more magnetic strength in the area.
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Ufos Abound
Date: 8 May 90 20:11:00 GMT
> Sitting over here near the right coast, I feel left out of
> a lot of these radio and television programs, and I feel
> that they would be of great interest to the members of the
> Rochester UFO Study Group. Is anyone making audio and/or
> video recordings of these programs, and if so, how can I
> arrange to receive copies?
George Knapp has promised me a complete copy of the video as soon
as the program finishes, which is scheduled to run through
Friday.
As soon as I get one of my VCRs fixed, I will be able to make a
copy and get caught up on others that I have not completed.
Mike
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Bill Cooper's Downfall
Date: 8 May 90 20:14:00 GMT
> Holy implants, Batman. You mean to tell me that Lear
> admitted that the Krill
> stuff was "dreamed up"? I didn't know he had that much to
> do with it, I thought it was all John Grace.
Not implants, my winged-friend. Horses**t is more of what it
appears to be.
> Sadly, I doubt this will have much effect on the
> Cooperites. He has become a religion unto himself, and
> religious figures can do no wrong in their followers' eyes.
> They'll find some way to justify his actions. Besides, we
> already proved a long time ago that Cooper lies through his
> teeth, and no one outside of ParaNet paid much attention.
>
> How are you receiving the reports in LA, by the way?
Have not heard much here yet.
Mike
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall
Date: 8 May 90 20:19:00 GMT
> I saw that, and I thought that Lear has said he heard
> Cooper talking to
> someone else at a UFO conference, and heard him say that he
> had made up
> Krill, not that he (Lear) himself made it up.
I had heard, although through a second hand source, that Lear
had pulled Cooper aside and told him that Lear and "another
person" had made it up and it was in Cooper's best interest to
quit talking as if he had seen the documents during his Navy
years. Lear maintains that Cooper heard the Krill stuff at his
house one evening.
I am getting clarification from George Knapp.
Mike
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From: paranet!mcorbin
Subject: NUFOC
Date: 8 May 90 20:22:00 GMT
John Hicks will be attending this weekend's NUFOC conference in
Miami, Florida as a ParaNet correspondent. We have arranged an
interview with Bruce Maccabee and Ed Walters during the
conference.
This is your opportunity to ask the questions you want answers to
regarding Gulf Breeze, etc. Please put your questions here and
John and myself will extract them. The results will be posted
about a week after the conference.
Mike
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From: keithr@tolkien.wv.tek.com
Subject: UFO chronology project
Date: 9 May 90 00:21:31 GMT
I am compiling a UFO chronology. I think we need to try to capture
events surrounding the UFO in one place so that we can see the scope
and importance of the events and possibly also make connections where
we wouldn't otherwise.
Is anyone else working on a project like this? I am using the Macintosh
Hypercard programming system, but any database program or even a word
processor would do. Perhaps we can collaborate. I expect to make
the chronology available to ParaNet when it gets to some reasonable
semblance of completion.
My criterion for inclusion is simply that the event be somehow related
to the UFO and that it be of national or international importance or
potential importance. Pretty broad. (However, this precludes me entering
things like finding out that a friend of mine has apparently had "visitor"
experiences similar to Whitley Strieber's. Which happened last week.)
One of Paris Flammonde's books and Ronald Story's Encyclopedia of UFOs have
UFO chronologies. Anyone know of other published UFO chronologies?
I would like to concentrate on the 1980s. Examples of things I will include,
or have already included, are: Ronald Reagan's alien allusion speeches, Gulf
Breeze, publication of Walter's book on Gulf Breeze, the Vallee Confrontations
book, the MJ-12 stuff, the UFO Coverup: Live show, the UFO finale at
the 1984 Olympics, the Levi-Strauss cotton dockers/EBE commercial, the
Lazar stuff, the Cooper/Lear disinformation stuff, the Roswell stuff, the
Philip Glass play with UFO theme, movies like The Return, Alien Seed,
Communion, etc., the current Gasoline Alley comic strip, the General
Hospital alien/human interaction theme, the new TV series Alien Nation,
the novels The UFO Conspiracy, Dark Eyes, Genesis, any moderately
significant spots on Hard Copy, Unsolved Mysteries, A Current Affair,
Inside Edition, PM Magazine, the start up of UFO and UFO Universe
magazines, publication of UFO articles in non-UFO magazines, the Tass
reported Voronezh sighting and the attendent attention by the national
media, the British crop circles, etc., and, of course, ordinary(!) UFO
cases having some important or distinctive aspect.
As you can see, anything that is clearly UFO or alien contact related and
NOT mere science fiction/fastasy I would consider fair game for the UFO
chronology. The Yugoslavian Medjugorje Marian events, fortean events not
involving a UFO closely associated in time and space (am I showing my
biases now?), various other psychic/paranormal happenings, etc., will not
go into this UFO chronology.
I would greatly appreciate all of you suggesting UFO events that should
go into this UFO chronology. Please give as many details as you know. I
will be making some effort to check out the facts on all the events I enter.
Any event with political, cultural, religious, economic(?), practical, etc.,
significance involving the UFO is fair game as long as it has national or
international significance.
Keith Rowell, Tektronix, Wilsonville, OR keithr@orca.WV.TEK.COM
FAX: 503-655-4615
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