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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 188
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 188
Thursday, March 29th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter
(none)
Re: Message From Don Ecker
Black Helicopters
(none)
Re: Gulf Breeze
Re: Black Helicopters
Re: For Your Info
Re: (none)
Re: Gulf Breeze
(none)
Fundamentalism And Et's
(none)
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From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)
Subject: Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter
Date: 27 Mar 90 18:54:51 GMT
Linda: Thanks for the Klass information. I don't really
mean to be a node of contention on this net, but Klass is
a major figure on the skeptical side and has become
the subject of almost libelous and/or slanderous attacks.
It behooves his accusers to defend their allegations.
I'll look for the 1987 Omni article in the Library when
I get a chance. From what you said, it doesn't look exactly
like a smoking gun as the intellectual level of the non-credit
university paranormal courses I have attended or know of
has been appallingly low, but Klass may have overreacted over
the one you mention at the Univ of Nebraska.
As for the Carp, Ontario case, it reads like
the old Buck Rogers stories. The author (Nolan) realized
after a while that making the Chinese (Han) the villians
of the 25th century was racist, so he decided that
they were controlled by aliens.
Needless to say, I find the story
extremely improbable, beginning with why the saucer flew from
China to Syria over North America in the first place.
Some points of contention: The capture was absurdly easy;
how was the craft disassembled?; How were the alien computer
programs "read" and what was the "purpose" of the Soviet
warheads?. To focus and receive ELF radiation efficiently
requires huge antennas as the wavelengths are thousands of miles
long; The brain is not an electronic device, but an electrochemical
one; It neither broadcasts nor receives significant RF power. 675
million years may be a typo as multicellular life is only
about 600-1000 million years old with mammals separating from the
reptiles during the early age of dinosaurs (in the upper Triassic
(200 my?)). The animals of 570 millian years ago consisted of
mostly of trilobites, brachiopods, molluscs, worms, and a lot of unclassifiable
creatures, most of which left no descendents
(Ediacaran and Burgess Shale faunas). No vertebrates and certainly
no mammal-like reptiles are 675 Myr old.
As for biochips in the brain, I have several comments.
The brain is not analogous to a massively parallel digital
electronic stored program computer, rather it hard-wires itself
during development and as a result of experiences. As a consequence
each brain is a unique 3-D electro-chemical machine with both analog
and digital properties. The though processes of different brains are
most likely incommensurable and therefore language as a common
set of protocols for communication developed. I can't imagine
telepathy except via language; even pictorial information is
meaningless to subjects unfamiliar with the conventions.
according to sudies in Nepal. I don't see how one
could "program" a brain without an extensive training period.
Neural prostheses are certainly possible, silicon is
inert compared to AlGaAsP. Implantation would be most
effective right after birth so that the nervous system could
make the connections and "learn" to use the information in the chip.
Implanting one near the inner ear and communicating via
language might be simpler than near the optic nerve as vibrations
could be used rather than direct stimulation. In adult mammals, neural
regeneration even with Nerve Growth Factor and Enkephalin antagonists
has not shown evidence of functional restoration. This would have to be improved
before cutting nerves and inserting chips or spheres would be practical.
There have been some fairly crude experiements with direct
point electrical stimulation of the visual system which resulted in
some "sight," but I don't know the current status of these experiments.
Both X-ray and (Nuclear) Magnetic Resonance Imaging should pick
up 2 mm metal spheres embedded in the skull.
--- John
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From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
Subject: (none)
Date: 28 Mar 90 04:01:00 GMT
> From: infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com
> Date: 25 Mar 90 04:47:31 GMT
> Message-ID: <3483@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM>
> Newsgroups: info.paranet
>
> A New Roswell Witness?
>
> Pssst... Did anyone hear the Billy Goodman show a few
> nights ago? He
> was supposed to be interviewing a Roswell witness who had
> just
> recently come out of the closet (i.e., back into the
> country).
If you are refering to the Clifford Stone segment, Stone was not
yet born when the alledged Roswell crash occurred. Stone is only
40 or 41 years old. He has just retired from the U. S. Army, and
his story in itself is interesting but he has NOTHING to do with
the orginal Roswell story.
Don
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From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
Subject: Re: Message From Don Ecker
Date: 28 Mar 90 04:17:00 GMT
> Makes an interesting beginning for a book! I am suspicious
> that such
> aliens would play around with earth people, expecially to
> the extent of
> pitting nations against each other. If this stuff was true,
> the people
> of the earth had better be told the truth, and fast, by
> their
> respective goverments.!
Karen I would not get to worried yet. First this story has MANY
questions that need to be addressed prior to anyone begining to
stock up on emergency goods! Do you not find it curious that so
many things would fall into place with this one ALLEDGED crash?
The implants are conveniently on board with their instructions
for use, the on-board computers neatly programmed out with
targets etc. for the Soviet warheads, the plans for conquest,
etc. It sounds as if someone had a nice time at their word
processor one evening while combating boredom.
Oh by the way, it really isn't necessary to quote the entire
message like you did with the Carp.UFO one. The reason I say
that is it costs mucho dollars in telephone connect time for all
the sysops to have to once again download one that long. Just an
observation not a criticism.
Don
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From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
Subject: Black Helicopters
Date: 28 Mar 90 04:22:00 GMT
Michael:
If you check UFO Magazine Vol. 4 Number 1, that issue was devoted
to the subject of Black Helicopters. Some very good information.
You can check it out by sending a request for that issue and
$4.25 to UFO Mag. at 1800 S. Robertson Blvd. PO Bx 355, Los
Angeles, CA 90035.
Don
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From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
Subject: (none)
Date: 28 Mar 90 04:29:00 GMT
Dan:
That file on the alledged Canadian C/R also "**could**" have been
the result of ingesting a quart of Tequila. But as you have
stated, "Who knows?" <grin>
Don
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Novak
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze
Date: 28 Mar 90 04:47:00 GMT
Thanks for your reply. I'd be very interested in hearing what you have
to say if you do indeed have a chance to talk to Maccabee yourself.
There is something odd about all of this...on the one hand there are
hundreds of people reporting sightings and yet on the other are photos
that definitely look "staged". Then Maccabee implies some may be staged
and some may be real. Another photo that has always bothered me is the
one where Ed, supposed fed up with all of the "visits", runs out of the
shower in a towel to scream at the UFO. Having had formal training as
an actor and taught to study behavior and "body language" I just don't
see the anger or frustration in Ed's body at all. This photo doesn't
read the Rage he was supposedly feeling at the time, but looks very
posed (by someone who's not a very good actor). I could be wrong but
this is how this particular photo struck me from the start.
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From: paranet!John.Burke
Subject: Re: Black Helicopters
Date: 28 Mar 90 00:29:00 GMT
Mike: I too, saw a "black helicopter" (i.e.: no discernable markings
from a distance of over 500') near Mt. Lemmon last Sept. However, I
didn't think much of it because of the proximity of Davis-Monthan
A.F.B. which is just south of there. "Unmarked" helicopters are
supposed to be not uncommon. (They actually have markings which are
visible only at short distances.) The important thing to watch for is
dangerous surveillance-type moves: hovering right outside the window of
a high-rise, following a car by flying only inches above it, etc.
-- John
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: For Your Info
Date: 28 Mar 90 04:25:00 GMT
> Was he speaking of GEPAN? I didn't know that that was
> secret, nor did I know that they had given up in disgust.
That's what he said. He was speaking of the French Air Force money, now
reallocated as direct grants to researchers. He did not say all of the cash
was taken from the F.A.F. -- one would think they'd keep their hand in.
> Didn't you and I hear otherwise at MUFON 87 in DC?
I don't remember what we heard at MUFON about GEPAN, frankly. Care to jog
my memory? (I should really run CHKDSK/F on my head more often...)
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 28 Mar 90 04:37:00 GMT
> f) Details that don't seem to jibe, for example "muscular" grey-white-
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'll say. How about the fact that the text says the UFO landed one night
and the "SWAT Team" was dispatched the *following* night? And found the UFO
still there?
I understand that "Carp" Ontario near Ottowa (and thus the Quebec border).
But I have never heard of the place, nor can I find it on my maps (others
here assure me it's there).
But it's difficult for me to believe that anyone would release nerve gas in
an area as heavily populated as Southern Ontario -- let alone in the
neighborhood of Canada's capital city.
Just my opinion.
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze
Date: 27 Mar 90 14:39:00 GMT
> Has Macabee ever come out with a clear statment of just
> what specific methods of analysis he used on the photos?
Yes he did. I am preparing a file, with Maccabee's permission,
of the original video analysis he performed with all of the data
and how he arrived at his conclusions.
Mike
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: (none)
Date: 27 Mar 90 15:02:00 GMT
To: Dan Drasin
> I find it intriguing from several points of view, and note
> the
> presence a number of elements that smell of "generic hoax."
> For
> example,
Don't forget to mention the size of the ship compared to the size
required to carry as many warheads as reported.
Mike
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Fundamentalism And Et's
Date: 27 Mar 90 15:09:00 GMT
To: John Chalmers, Jr.
> Those that weren't F's were mostly Roman
> Catholics. I don't know the RC position on the subject.
Speaking from a RC viewpoint, the possibility is left wide open
for life to exist elsewhere in the universe. With that comes a
responsible attitude about that potential life and what it
signifies. I personally do not feel threatened by that
possibility and have a difficult time understanding the F's
viewpoint.
Another interesting point which was covered in Omni a few issues
back is the "Apocalyptic" attitude that is so common in today's
society with its roots in F' Xtianism. It is suggested that this
attitude comes from a very poor understanding of the Bible and
apocalyptic literature.
Mike
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: (none)
Date: 27 Mar 90 17:56:00 GMT
To: Dan Drasin
Thanks for your posting regarding the Carp, Quebec, Ontario
report.
Because, in part, your remarks, and other considerations which
immediately become apparent inconsistencies within the
information, ParaNet has assigned a ParaNet/Hynek Rating of
S5/P1 -- Highly strange, but internally inconsistent to the
degree that we cannot rate this anything other than a probable
hoax at this point.
Mike
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