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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 198
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 198
Saturday, April 7th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: I dun ben thunking 'gain!
Re: Strange flash of light
Re: I Dun Ben Thunking 'gain!
Re: Fyffe Sighting
Moore Of The Same!
Re: Black Helicopters
Re: Looking For A Book
Re: Elf/zeitgeist
Re: Cooper's Bs (oops, I Mean Bbs).
Re: More About Vallee's Ovnibase
Re: I Dun Ben Thunking 'gain!
Re: ELF/Zeitgeist
Re: Spies, Lies & ET's
Re: Fyffe Sighting
Misc
Re: (none)
Spies, Lies & ET's
Moore Of The Same!
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From: paranet!f21.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Edward.Melville
Subject: Re: I dun ben thunking 'gain!
Date: 5 Apr 90 02:57:38 GMT
> I was ready to argue this point by saying things like,
> "Give mankind a little more credit." or "We are intelligent,
> reasonable people with minds of our own." but then I
> remembered the type of TV programs that are on during
> prime-time which are supposed to be the most desired by the
> majority of the nation. I guess you're right.
Exactly. I would be the first human to try and give us all the benefit
of the doubt, but as you said, the shows that are on today, only expands on my
point.
Ed
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From: paranet!John.Komar
Subject: Re: Strange flash of light
Date: 5 Apr 90 05:47:00 GMT
In a message to John Komar <03-26-90 08:10> Gregg Pasterick wrote:
GP=> Did the clipping offer any identification. There was
GP=>an article in the local paper her (Columbus, Ohio)
GP=>regarding a spy satellite which has broken up, and two
GP=>pieces have already come down, but neither on the 17th.
GP=> Gregg
No, no discription was mentioned, although the State Police said they
received 100 calls about it.
Regards, John
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From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Subject: Re: I Dun Ben Thunking 'gain!
Date: 6 Apr 90 17:43:10 GMT
# From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Linda.Murphy
# Subject: Re: I Dun Ben Thunking 'gain!
#
# Re: Bush and the likes
#
# What does UFOlogy seem to consist of, Don? Mostly "hidden" or "secret"
# things that are "unseen" (thus clustered under the headings dealing
# ..................
I'm not sure how this got started based on what I originally posted, but
it is certainly intereting. Linda, I agree that a lot of what we deal
with in UFOlogy is in the realm of hidden or secret--in the sense that
we don't have all the answers yet and the phnomena is so hard to pin
down each time. And knowing that the government stills seems to be
keeping tabs on UFO sightings and reports lends itself admirably to the
government coverup theory.
From there, we can point to other examples of governmental "stupidity"
that took place in secret: CIA tests of LSD, secret biological tests to
determine what would happen if an enemy released a biological against
this country--they used live bacteria that caused problems for some
folks, after all they had to be sure, didn't they? And that is only two
of the covert operations conducted by our government.
I think that when we talk about our freedoms and liberties we need keep
in mind that they are fragile. When I see people in this country
willing to trade off freedoms for security, I get very nervous and
ticked off. Then I get this depressed attitude, "They deserve what they
get." Until I remember that part of the "they" is me. Then I fight
back with letters to elected reps--not that it will do that much good.
I do believe that there is a government behind the government--the real
power behind the throne as it were. Not really a conspiracy in the
usual sense of that word, but rather a "good ol' boy" system of
professional politicians, curse them all, that is self-perpetuating.
And we Americans permitted this to happen because of the parochial and
provincial thinking of the vast majority. Somehow, the word needs to
get out that what happens to one can, and probably will, happen to all.
#
# Thomas Jefferson himself said that our form of government was a "noble"
# experiment. And he had wondered how long it would last (Federalist
# Papers)
Excellent point!
#
# If people are growing into an apathetic state, then just the info
# contained within all of this material "wakes" them up to possibilities
# that maybe we have reached a point where we are taking our "freedoms"
# for granted. They then think about these things, then begin to act
# upon it. Get enough people going into a direction where they want to
# do something about it, and the check/balance system works. There are
# various ways to look at all of this -- from the negative to the
# positive.
I am wondering if there is anything that will shake people out of their
apathy before it is too late. And if you can do that, can you then form
some sort of general consensus that everyone can live with--or do we
then face the possibility of anarchy? Just a thought. And that is only
in the political arena.
But the other point that you seem to be driving at in your post deals
with the paranormal (correct??). I think that once a person begins to
investigate the "oddities" that the person is confronted with a universe
that is at once both terrifying and marvelous. Terrifying because it is
not at all like what one imagines it to be. My previous posts on
quantum theory pointed to this. QT and personal experiences have caused
me to re-evaluate my thinking several times. Yet, I know others whose
intellect is equal or greater than mine who cannot deal with even the
possible implications of QT, let alone deal with UFOs and paranormal
experiences like dreams that come true.
I tended to ignore or bury my own personal experiences for a long time.
But the more that I experienced, the more that I learned in what I
thought was objective science, the more I had to deal with what I had
experienced. I had to take out each experience and examine it and deal
with the possible conclusions. I was even willing to entertain the
possibility that I was not quite all there mentally. But I found that I
could not ignore, bury, or run from myself--and those experiences are
very much a part of me.
# From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
# Subject: Re: I dun ben thunking 'gain!
#
# In a message of <01 Apr 90 22:41:27>, Edward Melville @ 123/21 (1:123/21)
# writes:
#
# > At the same time, we as human beings, and human nature the way it
# >is, will not want to understand their nature, and reazoning behind their
# >visit here. Panic will be pervasive in our society. Unfortunate, but
# >true.
#
# I was ready to argue this point by saying things like, "Give mankind a little
# more credit." or "We are intelligent, reasonable people with minds of our
# own." but then I remembered the type of TV programs that are on during
# prime-time which are supposed to be the most desired by the majority of the
# nation. I guess you're right.
Paul,
Some time back, Jim Delton and I covered the same ground. I didn't
think about the TV shows. That certainly puts a new light on things--or
should I say a new "cast" on things? ;-)
Gene
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From: paranet!Gene.Gross
Subject: Re: Fyffe Sighting
Date: 6 Apr 90 01:40:00 GMT
Jerry:
Thanks for answering the questions. I'm not interested in names
of the others; I understand how this works. But I would be interested
in reading the accounts of the others--if that is at all possible.
I found your account interesting--particularly the method in wich
the object "vanished." Could add to the database in my head? ;-)
--
Later,
Gene
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From: paranet!p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Burke
Subject: Moore Of The Same!
Date: 6 Apr 90 01:27:36 GMT
Hi Don!
I've always felt that Moore appealed to a teenage mentality with his
"neat-oh spy stories". The remark made by Shandera about how much
"fun" they have, just confirms this. Add to this the fact that their
gig was at a high school & Moore used to be a high school teacher. So
how 'bout the audience? Mostly high school kids? Do you see any
significance there?
Also, did Moore finally admit that he *was* feeding disinformation to
other ufologists? This would be an admission that he lied in saying at
his Vegas speech (and at the Omega Conf.) that he did not actually do
the disinforming himself -- he just reported back to Mr. Collins & Co.
about the job they were doing on Bennewitz.
As for his point to the effect that anyone who doesn't follow his lead
is just "groping in the dark"; I'd rather grope in the dark than waste
time watching someone making shadow puppets of birds.
Best regards -- John
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Schwartz
Subject: Re: Black Helicopters
Date: 5 Apr 90 20:50:00 GMT
We were NOT at all far from it, only about 20' from the rotors. It
overtook us, and flew right in front of our car on a very sheer point
of the Mt. Lemmon rd., and stopped hovering about 8' off the roadbed,
blocking our path. It came upon us suddenly and very quietly, flying up
the side of the mountain, extremely close to the cliff. After a little
time, it turned and continued up. BTW, we were at about 6000', not long
past the observation point. It looked as if it was checking out our
truck, decided we were not who they wanted, anOu flew on. Either that,
or they were blocking our way for some reason. We had to stop, or else.
There were absolutly NO markings of any kind on this thing. No N
number, and no government markings. The craft was a matt black color,
and the 3 man crew (all that we could see) looked to have blue flight
suits. I thought this thing might be based out of Marana for obvious
reasons. It was certainly not following FAA rules, and did not look
like it particularly cared.
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Looking For A Book
Date: 6 Apr 90 07:49:00 GMT
> There may well be volatile gases just below the lunar
> surface, either
> due to comet impacts, or possibly of primordial origin.
After 2+ billion years in a vacuum, don't you think they would have leached
to the surface & dissipated? I do.
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Elf/zeitgeist
Date: 6 Apr 90 07:56:00 GMT
> I think there are also reports of meteors making anomalous
> sounds sounds which may be EM waves because they would have
>
> to travel faster than sound to reach the hearer while the
> meteor was visible. The microwave experiments may have
> been due to thermal effects and required high power levels.
> I still don't see how ELF RF radiation could control people
> unless there were some sort of hardware receiver and the
> victim had been carefully trained. I don't think a 2 mm
John, your post got my attention! Are you saying that EM waves can be
perceived as sound?
Did you know that old Nikola Tesla said the same thing 75 years ago?
[Actually I believe he said that he could see no difference between EM waves
and sound waves, and that as far as he was concerned, EM waves were simply
extensions of sound waves...] People laughed at him of course.
When you have time, I hope you'll elaborate on this a bit. Many thanks.
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Cooper's Bs (oops, I Mean Bbs).
Date: 6 Apr 90 08:05:00 GMT
> In case anyone's interested, I attempted to logon to
> Cooper's BBS earlier
> this p.m. What I got was both interesting and
> intimidating. Of course,
> I wasn't about to use my real name, so a bogus name was
> created.
Jim, care to post the number of Mr. Cooper's BBS? A few of us might want to
satisfy our curiosity ...
... and there's an element of irony at work here, too.
Thanx!
Clark
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: More About Vallee's Ovnibase
Date: 6 Apr 90 08:13:00 GMT
> Vallee chose the NEXPERT SYSTEM of Neuron Data, Inc., to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Which, if memory serves, is a neural net development tool! How wonderful
that we're using Artificial Intelligence (AI) to stalk Alien Intelligences
(AI)!
Many thanks for the info on OVNIBASE.
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Linda.Murphy
Subject: Re: I Dun Ben Thunking 'gain!
Date: 4 Apr 90 10:52:00 GMT
Re: Unelectable Government
Actually, aren't they the ones that are always accused of "hidding"
things (hidden) --- how has UFO's made you think of these things? Is
there any agency in all of that material that hasn't been mentioned?
Who is responding to this? (the people's common?).
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Linda.Murphy
Subject: Re: ELF/Zeitgeist
Date: 5 Apr 90 12:01:00 GMT
To John CHalmers
Yes it is true that history is written by survivors... just think where
the encyclopedia would have been if the likes of Voltaire didn't put it
together! (And he was a "dreamer" and an "alien" and a "philosopher"
and he actually produced some mighty strong "propoganda"!). I don't
know why, but it seems like UFOlogy has been around for sometime, just
under different guises....
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Spies, Lies & ET's
Date: 5 Apr 90 18:54:00 GMT
Is it even remotely conceivable that after all the publicity, that any
of Moores "insiders" are still "in the loop"? Far more would be
accom~rplished by Moore coming clean and naming names NOW, while the
trail is still warm, then to wait for god knows how much longer until
the trail is so cold and so covered up that it all gets buried.
Information can be a very perishable commodity and Moores methodology
seems to be to wait till everything is too stale to be useful of
verifiable. It reminds me of Nixon's secret plan to end the war.
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From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jerry.Woody
Subject: Re: Fyffe Sighting
Date: 6 Apr 90 00:35:00 GMT
->Sounds good to me. You know the question had to be asked,
->though.
Hi Jim;
I'd have been disappointed if it wasn't asked! :-)
->IFU? Is that an obscene IFO? :-)
Hehehe... About 10 minutes after I sent the echomail out I realized what I
had done. You're right, should have been IFO... tho I guess I could make up
some excuse like IFU stands for "Identified Flying Unusual" object <grin>
Jerry
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From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)
Subject: Misc
Date: 7 Apr 90 01:21:52 GMT
Gene: I don't think I have any thing new
to add to the biochip discussion at the
moment.
Klass Acts: I finally saw the 1987 Omni
article by Jerome Clark as a reprint in Schulz's
"Fringes of Reason." I must say that I see no reason
to believe any of Clark's scurrilous and unsupported
attacks on CSICOP and Klass. --- John
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From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 5 Apr 90 07:54:00 GMT
John:
Thank you for the good wishes!
Don
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From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
Subject: Spies, Lies & ET's
Date: 5 Apr 90 08:05:00 GMT
Paul:
The biggest question about why the military or intelligence
people are hiding UFO information is just what do they know that
I or the rest of us should? With the research that I have been
doing, mainly mutilations, and in some cases what may be human
mutilations, would certainly be one reason why they would keep it
hidden. Of course this is much of this has to stay speculation
until such time as more information is available. The problem is
prying information loose, and then being able to verify it. The
other problem is, how many red herrings have been planted to
throw us off the track? If Moore was right in what he said about
the G. guys jamming up the circuts, then they must really get a
kick out of how many people are charging full ahead around in a
circle.
Don
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From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
Subject: Moore Of The Same!
Date: 5 Apr 90 08:14:00 GMT
Hi ya John!
There were all kinds at the lecture. Every thing from the little
ol' lady in tennis shoes ( that was a favorite of John Keel ) to
the real serious researcher. Some kids too.
As far as Moores remarks about the rest of the field groping
about in the dark, I think that his ego was running rampant.
Hey, I think we all know that Moore is not a shy one when it
comes to telling the field what a great researcher he is. I
dismiss what I feel is rampant ego talking. There is no doubt
that Moore HAS done some damn good research in the past, and if
you ask me, I think this COULD be by these Intelligence people,
if that is what they are, decided to sidetrack good ol' Bill. I
believe it is viable to think that at sometime someone saw his
work on Roswell, got nervous and decided to toss him a curve ball
to tie him up chasing his tail for a few years. No proof of this
of course, just a feeling. But that is just how they would do
it. Nothing like keeping the kiddies occupied while the big kids
take care of business. What do you think?
Don
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