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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 193
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 193
Monday, April 2nd 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: Gulf Breeze photos
Re: Black Helicopters
Re: The 'alien Starfighter'
Re: Default - By Daemon Mailer
Alabama Sightings
Re: Gulf Breeze
Walters
Re: Message From Don Ecker
Quoting
Klass and Truman signature.
Re: Strange flash of light
Re: Science Fiction Come True
Re: MJ-12 Rubber Stamps
Re: Gulf Breeze Photos
Klass again
Re: The 'alien Starfighter'
I dun ben thunking 'gain!
THE Last Starfighter
Re: School?
Re: Gulf Breeze
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze photos
Date: 31 Mar 90 03:11:00 GMT
It would, but I don't think that it's possible, and technology is
slowly closing the door.
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From: paranet!Gene.Gross
Subject: Re: Black Helicopters
Date: 31 Mar 90 01:24:00 GMT
Mike,
I think you are correct in your assessment of the "black helicopters."
There is nothing unusual about black helicopters with the advent of the
new Army choppers, which are black. There are markings on them, which
I have seen, but I had to get up fairly close to see them. The
signal-to-noise ratio isn't very good. ;-)
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From: paranet!Gene.Gross
Subject: Re: The 'alien Starfighter'
Date: 31 Mar 90 01:33:00 GMT
Don:
Shout on!! PARADE FIELD VOICE, IF NECESSARY!!!!
It was claptrap pure and simple. If anyone out there takes it
seriously, well, maybe they need to see the chaplain--do we have one?
8-) 8-)
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From: paranet!Gene.Gross
Subject: Re: Default - By Daemon Mailer
Date: 31 Mar 90 01:43:00 GMT
Clark:
Saw that episode and it was errie. If you'd like a real chill, take
the time to read _Midnight_ by Dean R. Koontz (since I'm at home on my
PC I'm sure of the spelling--got the book right in front of me 8-)). I
In the book, Koontz brings the idea of marrying the two together in a
way that emotions, other than fear, are prevented by the tiny
microchips within each human. The result is that they feel nothing but
fear--no pleasure, no anger, no hate, no love, no compassion, etc. The
result is--well, I won't give away the plot that easily. ;-)
Also, Koontz wrote a book that dealt with UFOs called _Strangers_ that
I think everyone out there might want to take time to read. There have
several books along the lines of UFOs (fictionalizations) and the
implantation of chips (bio or otherwise) into humans. If there is
enough interest, I'll put together a list and post it.
The bio-chip is still an interesting idea. I haven't read much about
it lately, but I think I still have some of the original articles about
it and the research into the brain in search of how to make computers
more like our brains. Fascinating stuff, and I am sure that John
Chalmers might have more info on all of this from what he wrote in a
recent post. What say you John?
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From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Ballard
Subject: Alabama Sightings
Date: 31 Mar 90 08:04:00 GMT
There were numerous sightings of unusual lights in the sky around the
Ensley area near Birmingham tonight (3/30). There was no
corresponding air traffic that might account for these "lights"
according to Birmingham airport FAA personnel. There will possibly be
an article concerning these sightings in the late issue of the
Birmingham News on Saturday (3/31).
Anyone witnessing these events or with additional information is
encouraged to call MUFON of Alabama at (205) 586-6568 (Arab) or
contact via the Frontier BBS (205) 739-1439 (Cullman 8/N/1)...BJB
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze
Date: 30 Mar 90 17:39:03 GMT
> ...the photo of his wife dodging the blue beam
> bothers me a bit too.
Aside from what you mentioned, that shot really bothers me too.
It's absolutely amazing that Walters managed to prefocus the camera
on the exact spot where his wife would dodge the blue beam, if you get
what I mean.
jbh
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: Walters
Date: 30 Mar 90 17:48:04 GMT
FWIW, a friend of mine who is a very experienced psychologist saw
Walters on TV recently, and said that everything about the man, body
language etc., indicates that he's telling the truth, or at least the
truth as he believes it to be.
jbh
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From: paranet!f26.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!steve.rose
Subject: Re: Message From Don Ecker
Date: 1 Apr 90 09:25:45 GMT
> Karen,
>
> I, (and many other Paranet Sysops) would appreciate your
> using a bit more editorial judgement in your quoting. We ask
> that people quote for the sake of clarity, but not to overquote
> as this is simply added expense to every single sysop in the system.
Never mind the occasional 'overquote'...just think of all the time and money
that would be saved if we could lose all the obnoxious cryptic message headers
that those USENET postings carry with them! :*)
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From: paranet!p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Doug.Rogers
Subject: Quoting
Date: 1 Apr 90 19:49:40 GMT
In response to my message to Karen about overquoting, You write:
> Never mind the occasional 'overquote'...just think of all
> the time and money that would be saved if we could lose
> all the obnoxious cryptic message headers that those USENET
> postings carry with them! :*)
>
The USENET headers are, as I understand the situation, required if
responses are ever to find their way back to the poster (USENET being
several orders of magnitude more complex than the Paranet Network).
If this is *NOT* the case, then maybe something can be done. I suspect
this is just the price of doing business over USENET, and one that
I personally DON'T OBJECT to paying.
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Klass and Truman signature.
Date: 1 Apr 90 10:07:00 GMT
> From: <GRAHAM@iucf.bitnet>
> This is good for paranoid afficianados:
No offense, GRAHAM, but that's really about all its good for. Yes, we can
construct scenarios like that, but where does it get us? If such were the
case, there would be no further point to UFO research. Everything we came
across would be suspect - the positive leads as well as the negative ones. You
might as well sit in the corner and wring your hands for the rest of your
life, mumbling "oh, dear, whatever shall we do?"
Plus the fact that Moore came across the same information independently of
Klass, and only recently admitted it.
Jim
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Strange flash of light
Date: 1 Apr 90 18:27:00 GMT
Send me a copy of the video.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Come True
Date: 1 Apr 90 18:45:00 GMT
I beleive the claimed size for the alien implants is 2 to 3
millimeters. I saw a copy of someone's head "scan" (I think it was
Stribers) and there was this little white dot that was obvious to
anyone and naturally, unexplainable by the medical community. No
mention was made of whether the scan had been repeated or what other
analysis had been done. However, given the obviousness of it, there is
no way such "dots' could be missed yet apparently there has been no
outpouring of concern over these things by the medical community even
though if we are to beleive Hopkins, et al, there are millions of
people wandering around with these things in their heads and there
would have to be quite a few of them who would have gotten CAT scans
where they would have shown up. The "investigation" of the one scan
that I saw that did show the "implant" is all to typical of the level
of investigation that goes into these things. Apparently, after
finding something that would support the implant theory, all further
investigation stops lest contradictory evidence be found.
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: MJ-12 Rubber Stamps
Date: 31 Mar 90 17:42:00 GMT
>
> As I've said before, it is possible that such a super-secret group could
> have been formed for a limited time and then taken on a life of its own
> that kept it going for years later. But I haven't seen enough evidence
> to convince me of that yet.
>
> Gene
>
Gene:
I'm pretty much convinced that "MJ-12" per se is a hoax. My pet theory at this
point is that such a group exists, but that this particular incarnation was
cooked up to discredit any further investigation. However, it still remains a
possibility that Moore and/or members of his team are the hoaxers, and that's
what the rubber stamp controversy is all about. Todd and other CAUS members
seem to be zeroing in on Moore, as Klass has done all along. I remain doubtful
about this possibility, and the information you provided tends to reinforce my
doubts; but there's so much we don't know, so much happening behind
smokescreens, that I am open to anything at this point.
Jim
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Photos
Date: 31 Mar 90 23:35:00 GMT
> So you're saying that you know for sure Believer Bill
> isn't Walters?
"Believer Bill" is definitely not Ed Walters. More information
will follow soon.
Mike
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Klass again
Date: 31 Mar 90 17:51:00 GMT
To: John Chalmers
You raise a good issue for closer inspection, John. I shall make some
inquiries and see if we can get a more detailed rendition of this story.
Interestingly enough, the University of Nebraska at Lincoln later did host a
MUFON Symposium in 1988. There were no legal battles, and Klass attended
quietly.
Jim
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From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
Subject: Re: The 'alien Starfighter'
Date: 1 Apr 90 06:48:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "INFO.PARANET"
* Originally from Don Ecker
* Originally dated 03-30-90 23:48
> It was claptrap pure and simple. If anyone out there takes
> it seriously, well, maybe they need to see the chaplain--do
> we have one?
Gene, no chaplin yet. Did I see you stepping forward? <g>
Don
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
Subject: I dun ben thunking 'gain!
Date: 1 Apr 90 05:40:29 GMT
To: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
>Saw a sign once in a programmer's office, sometimes I sits and thinks;
>and sometimes I just sits. Well, I been sitting and thinking, again.
I guess we've both been thinking Gene. The following is a message I posted in
the Fido UFO echo in response to another message. I brought it over here
because it seems relavent as a response to your message.
195/284 28 Mar 90 20:28:50
>From: Paul Faeder
To: Larry Carley
Subj: Thoughts on UFOS
Attr:
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In a message of <25 Mar 90 18:49:48>, Larry Carley (1:2200/176) writes:
>. I fear that Beings capable of travel between Galaxies would
>. find the people of Earth to be rather Primitive, Barbaric, and
>. very Self-Serving. If I were to visit another world and find
>. similar inhabitants, I doubt that I would care to mingle with
>. the planet's occupants or even make my presence known!
I agree with you. If they are observing us for scientific reasons or if they
have had a part in our evolutionary development and they want to check on our
progress or whether it's just curiosity, couldn't they do this while in orbit?
After all, we are supposed to have a satellite that can photgraph a pack of
cigarettes on the ground. With their technology of space travel wouldn't you
think they would have similar photo reconnaissance?
The fact is that UFO's are still being sighted. So why are they coming down
into our atmosphere where they may be seen? I don't think they want to be seen
otherwise they would be showing themselves more in populated areas during
daylight hours.
If they're hiding because of a Star-Trek-like non-interference directive,
they're doing a poor job of it! So I'll assume that they want to remain unseen
but for some reason *must* take the chance of exposing themselves.
So the question is, what is their motivation? I don't know, but if we think of
mankinds motivation to do things we can come up with some possibilities. Man
does things which will benefit man. This could be doing something out of
kindness or for some sort of political or monetary gain. I'm not aware of the
ET's doing anything out of kindness nor do I see any concern on their part in
our political or economic areas so their concern seems to be for them. What
could they want that they can't get anywhere else that they can travel to?
What does this planet have that no other known planet can offer?
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
Subject: THE Last Starfighter
Date: 1 Apr 90 05:35:30 GMT
To: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
>Doubt that photos would be much help--this story needs a lot of
>rewriting.
># The Alledged C/R of the 11/89 "Alien Starfighter"
I think you nailed this guy Gene. But there is one very intriuging aspect to
this alledged crash/retrieval. That is, who sent these documents and why?
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Sandy.Barbre
Subject: Re: School?
Date: 30 Mar 90 12:53:00 GMT
Grabs me just fine, cause MATH I love, have taken up to Cal #2 and am
not scared a bit by it, have taken a couple of electronic courses in my
time also, and for informational purposes at one time wanted to be an
electronics engineer!! How's that grab you?!! Later, sweetheart am in
the process of finishing up getting my BBS on-line.
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze
Date: 30 Mar 90 17:37:02 GMT
> That's the first time I heard he supposedly was in a fit of rage
Walters' book says he was screaming at the object to go away and
leave him alone.
jbh
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