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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 191
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 191
Saturday, March 31st 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: Black Helicopters
Re: MJ-12 Rubber Stamps
Hidden knowledge??? (Mike read before posting)
Re: Alien Starfighter (Carp, Ontario)
(none)
Carp, Ont. Hanky Panky
Re: Science Fiction Come True
Re: Black helicopters
Star Fighter Balogne
Klass again
Tesla Information
Re: Say What ?!???
Re: Richard Murray information packet
Re: School?
Re: Klass acts
Re: Gulf Breeze
Re: Default - By Daemon Mailer
Congrats
Re: Black Helicopters
Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter
Re: The 'Alien Starfighter'
I dun ben thunking 'gain!
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From: Will Martin <wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil>
Subject: Re: Black Helicopters
Date: 29 Mar 90 16:23:03 GMT
In the Tucson area, and anywhere in the Southwest, and for that matter
anywhere along the borders, I would automatically expect such armed but
unmarked helicopters to be DEA. Is there any reason that causes you to
think otherwise?
Regards,
Will Martin
wmartin@st-louis-emh2.army.mil OR wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil
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From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Subject: Re: MJ-12 Rubber Stamps
Date: 29 Mar 90 19:21:57 GMT
# From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
# Subject: MJ-12 Rubber Stamps
#
# This is neither to defend Moore, nor to condemn Todd. I simply
# require much more thorough research at this point, in order to answer
# several questions: 1) What font is normally used by Those Who Classify?
# 2) If no single font, are there any other examples from confirmed
# documents using the same font? 3) Is it possible that Those Who Classify
# sometimes use movable-type rubber stamps, as does Moore? These seemingly
# basic questions are not even addressed by Todd. While I still have
# difficulty believing Moore would pull such an outrageous bonehead stunt
# like hoaxing these documents himself, I am all ears, and I encourage
# Todd to continue his investigation along these lines.
Jim,
It has been beaucoups years since I dealt with this. As I recall from
my days in the defense industry where I had responsibility for
classifying and marking documents, there were a number of different
sizes used depending upon where you were marking. Inside the document
on the pages, we used one size of rubber stamp. On the covers of a
document, we used a larger size stamp. The actual point size I don't
recall right off hand. Although, 36 points keeps coming to the
forefront of my thinking. The other thing to consider is whether or not
the standard has changed over the years. Probably not, but with the
government and the military, anything is possible. ;-)
As for the movable type stamp, I recall using one while at a defense
company in Florida. We had a complete set of letters and numbers in
different point sizes. As I recall, it was a messy thing to work with
and the letters/numbers were sometimes a bit crooked and out of align.
Hope this helps some. Maybe there are some others out there that can
better answer this. I'm just giving you my two cents worth--send the
change later. ;-)
As for MJ-12, I'm not convinced one way or another. Though I tend to
lean away from it being a real group. Legends have a way of growing up
around things, if you catch my drift. MJ-12 could be a fabrication out
of whole cloth, or out of partial truth. The thing that to me seems
most important is that the government has investigated UFOs, and still
does despite its protestations to the contrary. Much of its
investigative material is still classified, which seems rather strange
considering that they say there is nothing to it. I can understand
their concern for keeping intelligence methods and sources classified,
but surely all the information that they are keeping classified can't
fall into this arena. That stretches my credulity to the breaking
point.
As I've said before, it is possible that such a super-secret group could
have been formed for a limited time and then taken on a life of its own
that kept it going for years later. But I haven't seen enough evidence
to convince me of that yet.
Gene
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From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Subject: Hidden knowledge??? (Mike read before posting)
Date: 29 Mar 90 19:22:25 GMT
# From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin
# Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze
[Ray claims to have some hidden or secret knowledge. I deleted his
comments.]
Ray,
You have failed to impress me. You seem to be claiming secret
knowledge. Personally, I find this sort of claim to usually be
over-rated and assumes that the reader is without some sort of mental
capacity for discrimination between fact and fiction.
For years, I have listened to the swamis, fakirs, fortune-tellers,
seers, and cardreaders say the same thing. Yet, I have not found one to
be truthful, nor accurate. And I realize that each of on the net
probably has a personal agenda concerning the topics under discussion
and consideration, but so far people aren't trying to pull the wool over
anyone's eyes. Sometimes there are some, IMHO, outlandish statements
made, but then the field of the paranormal and UFOs can lead to some
outlandish things, i.e., the article that Don Ecker recently posted from
an anonymous person. That person pretended to some secret knowledge.
Frankly, Ray, IMHO you have done yourself a great disservice by your
statements. And I won't speak for anyone else on the echo, but as for
me, I'm insulted by your statements. You insult my intelligence and my
credibility. Now, I don't need nor ask for an apology. What I do want
is for you to play it straight. If you have some knowledge that could
help explain things, then get down here in the mud with the rest of us
and share it.
Gene Gross
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From: Gary L Dare <gld@cunixd.cc.columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: Alien Starfighter (Carp, Ontario)
Date: 29 Mar 90 20:46:16 GMT
-+From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
-+Date: 28 Mar 90 04:29:00 GMT
-+That file on the alledged Canadian C/R also "**could**" have been the
-+result of ingesting a quart of Tequila. But as you have stated,
-+"Who knows?" <grin>
Among the other dubious points in the Alien Starfighter story (maybe
from an episode of "War of the Worlds"? (-; ), Kanata is a suburb of
Ottawa, our nation's (Canada's) capital. It's quite well populated,
with a couple of large roads, industrial/research parks, etc. There
may be some DND (Dept. of National Defence) buildings out there, but
it's doubtful that the University of Ottawa has the kind of facilities
to hold alien bodies and/or pieces of aircraft. (Not even Carleton,
the bigger and more prestigeous university in Ottawa, is capable of
doing such.) Besides, U of Ottawa is mainly an arts & humanities
school with a small engineering faculty, and on the other side of town
to boot! It's only claim to fame is that it's the most famous entirely
bilingual university in Canada (french has crept into McGill slowly).
After reading the story, my first thought was that the author was
trying to take advantage of Americans' extensive knowledge of Canada! (-;
Wasn't Carp the location of the UFO landing site that DND and the
US jointly ran during the Diefenbaker and Pearson (Kennedy and
Johnson) eras?
gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare Winnipeg Jets:
-+ gld@cunixD.cc.columbia.EDU Miracle on Ice,
-+ gld@cunixc.BITNET Stanley Cup 1990?
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From: isis!well!ddrasin (Dan Drasin)
Subject: (none)
Date: 30 Mar 90 01:09:49 GMT
Carp
Subject: Carp, Ont. Hanky Panky
-+ Don't forget to mention the size of the ship compared to the size
-+ required to carry as many warheads as reported.
Wait a minute, Mike. Aren't some alien craft supposed to be larger
inside than outside? =|8^)
-+ That file on the alledged Canadian C/R also "**could**" have been
-+ the result of ingesting a quart of Tequila.
I think you've nailed it, Don.
=d=
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From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Come True
Date: 30 Mar 90 07:11:54 GMT
# From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
# Subject: Re: Science Fiction Come True
#
# In a similar vein, I read a story about how it is already possible to
# make little tiny capsules, on the order of one-eigth inch, that can be
# "read" by a local reading device. I had heard of similar devices also
# ................................................
# the claimed size and method of implant. Also, since this is now
# becomeing a mass media story, it means it was a specialized media story
# some years back and I can't help wondering if someone picked up on it
# unconcously and got the alien implant theorizing started from that.
Jim,
You raise a good point about how much was known and when. Was the
information used to help bolster someone's "thinking"? Sadly, I don't
think we will ever really know.
Part of the reason that I posted that piece was because of its
similarity to some of the things said about implantation done on
abductees. Also, I posted it because it is interesting information to
know. I would like to see more information on the tiny capsules you
make reference to in your post.
BTW, what is the claimed size for the alien implants? I don't recall
any specifics on this. Must be old age again. Smack-smack!! Don't
nobody laugh--your turn is coming! ;-)
Gene
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From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Subject: Re: Black helicopters
Date: 30 Mar 90 07:12:26 GMT
#
# From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Schwartz
# Subject: Black Helicopters
#
# I would be interested in any information anyone would have regarding
# unmarked black helicopters, of a military nature. I had a near run in
Michael,
There are a couple of new choppers in the inventory that appear to be
black. Without seeing a photo or a drawing of some sort, I can't tell
you for sure which one you might have seen. The markings are quite hard
to see on them, but they are there--at least on the ones I've seen, but
I had to look hard to see them.
When you say that "it _was_ heavily armed" what do you mean? I've seen
several with rocket pods and other weapons, but the pods were empty and
the machine guns were not loaded. I would have a hard time telling from
a distance if the chopper was loaded or not.
BTW, what were you doing when you encountered this beastie? Sounds like
you were flying. Is this indeed the case?
As for the Tesla society, there are several files on the ParaNet BBS
that concern Tesla and the society. I know--I looked them up. ;-)
Gene
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From swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren)
Subject: Star Fighter Balogne
Date: 30 Mar 90 07:13:02 GMT
-+The brain is not an electronic device, but an electrochemical
-+one; It neither broadcasts nor receives significant RF power.
While ELF is entirely a different matter, it is a fact that wide-beam
microwaves beamed at a person's head and properly modulated will cause
them to hear strange disembodied voices in their head (or whatever you
modulate onto the microwave carrier). I did a report on this for a
physics class in high school. The research on this was done twenty
years ago.
--Steve
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{uunet,sun}!convex!swarren; swarren@convex.COM
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From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)
Subject: Klass again
Date: 30 Mar 90 07:14:24 GMT
Can anyone furnish me with more details on the U of Nebraska
suit threatened by Klass? I am curious how he was able to
show sufficient "standing" or direct interest in the outcome
to be able to sue. Did he have a proxy in Lincoln to file for
him? Universities have large legal departments
and may also enjoy some degree of "sovereign immunity" as
state agencies. Hence they should be able to ignore most
nuisance suits.
It is possible that his case was based
on misuse of government funds and/or separation of church
and state. I know of a case in Seattle where a local
minister sued to force the University of Washington to
drop a non-credit Krishna Consciousness class on the grounds
that it was teaching the practice of a religion,
which in fact it was. --- John
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From MTG@csi.compuserve.com
Subject: Tesla Information
Date: 30 Mar 90 07:14:56 GMT
Michael Schwartz had asked about finding out information about Tesla...
thought that might be a good opportunity to mention his biography by
Margaret Cheney, called _Tesla: Man Out of Time_, which I'm about halfway
through now. It's utterly riveting and seems remarkably complete and
detailed... has anyone read any other detailed Tesla stuff to compare it
with? Anyways, since it's in paperback, it's not too expensive, either.
Cheney, Margaret, "Tesla: Man Out of Time", ISBN 0-440-39077-X,
Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group.
- Mark G.
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From paranet!f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen
Subject: Re: Say What ?!???
Date: 28 Mar 90 03:40:00 GMT
JD>Sad to say, you can't expect much from a congressional
investigation. The
really sensitive and telling material in the Iran-contra HEarings (like
the
CIA drug connections) was shunted off into the closed portions of the
hearings that, for the most part, we never find out what went on in.
One
COngressmen tried to open the door a little during the hearings and was
ilmmediately stopped in his tracks by the chairmen with some comment to
the
effect of "We agreed that would only be discussing in closed
sessions."
Maybe old "wild Bill" Cooper isn't so crazy after all..I just read
a report off the Alt.Conspicy conf called "The UFO Conspiracy",
written by David E. Stewart who gives a transcript of a 45 min
lecture by Bill Cooper when he was at the "Whole Life Expo" back
in Nov 17,1989 in Los Angeles,Calif.
I won't go into the bulk of the report as most of it has been
hashed and re-hashed,however, there's one section in where
wild Bill just might have something but it would be damned
hard now to prove it. In his OPERATION MAJORITY breakdown he
doesn't mince any words about declaring that "in the documents
that I read,in Operation Majority, it was specifically stated that
when George Bush was the president and CEO of Sapata (sp) Oil,he
in conjunction with the CIA, organized the first large-scale
drug importation into this country from South and Central America
by fishing boat, to the offshore oil platforms of Sapata Oil, and
then from there into the beach, thus bypassing all Customs inspections
and law-enforcement inspections of any kind. They are STILL (emphasis
mine) bringing in drugs, to a limited extent, in this manner. Another
manner is by CIA contract aircraft which, one of their bases of
landing is Homestead Air Force Base in Florida. We have affidavits
from air controllers who have vectored the planes in, who have
made sure that they're not interfered with in any way. We have
affidavits from personnel at Homestead Air Force Base who say
that the planes have been met by Jeb Bush,who is George Bush's
son. We have affidavits from people who work in the Gulf of
Mexico, in the offshore oil business, that yes indeed, the
drugs are coming in, at least some of them, from the offshore
oil platforms."
Maybe Bill has something here,maybe not I dunno. But it gives me
pause to think about especially when all the hoopla in the media
about the "War on Drugs", and our most recent invasion of Panama,
and all the other "dog and pony" shows going on in the world.
Even though the administration changes every 4 years,we still
continue to see the SAME players.
I afraid I'll have to agree with you the depth that a congressional
probe will go..You're right about the Iran-Contra trial having to
resort to several closed-door sessions..no doubt it was about HOW
Ollie and "the boys" were raising cash. You don't think Hasenfus's
plane was caught empty now do you?
I watched and taped several hours off C-Span when the hearings were
first on...the one phrase that still sticks to me like a bad penny
is the remark the Ollie made about the CIA director Casey's desire
to create a "off the shelf and self standing" secret govt via the
NSA.
I certainly don't entertain the foolish notion that a simplistic
probe will do the trick..we need BIG GUNS for this thing.
--
Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Don.Allen@f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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From paranet!f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen
Subject: Re: Richard Murray information packet
Date: 28 Mar 90 03:54:00 GMT
JS>I'm disinclined to post there. I don't see how Libertarians could
believe in
an open and honest government, since they don't seem to believe in
government
at all.
Why sure they do Jim. They just put more value on PEOPLE instead
of just the institition of govt. And sure,there's some debates
about how abusive our govt is but I think you have to look at
what the platform of the LP is overall. They're more into the
grass-roots campaigning for positions in local and state levels
so they can offer an alternative viewpoint instead of the usaul
drivel we come to know our politicians by.
I don't agree with everything on the LP platform,but I see
the party as a viable alternative IF THEY can establish
themselves better in the next few years.
--
Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Don.Allen@f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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From paranet!f204.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Kurt.Lochner
Subject: Re: School?
Date: 26 Mar 90 22:29:00 GMT
Welp, let's see if I remember much of any of it....
The labs can be tediously boring, but if you want to learn the
discipline of trained observation and statistical methods, you gotta
go to them. Also, math....yep, the "M" word that scares so many off.
If you can deal with simple division, you can do the geometry
involved. In fact, I strongly recommend a college geometry
class/course along with any algebra that you might consider useful.
The next step, somewhere around the second sophmore semester, will
be to live, breath, eat and dream calculus.
That can be thought of as the science of rates of change, be it
velocity, accelerations or chemical reactions. Differential
Equations can be thought of as Calculus IV and will be necessary for
Electromagnbetic Field Theory and Quantum Dynamics. Along the way
you'll have to pick up the introductory classes like Thermodynamics,
Fluid Mechanics, Statics & Strengths (of materials), basic Electrcity
and (how could I forget?) computer programming.
All else afterwards can be thought of as a specialized learning,
exclusive to one or two particular fields...
How's that grab you so far?
--
Kurt Lochner - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Kurt.Lochner@f204.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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From paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Klass acts
Date: 29 Mar 90 07:04:00 GMT
> considerable degree of open mindedness on the subject. And in
> 1976, when physicist Peter Sturrock polled the members of the
> American Astronomical Society, fully 80 percent agreed the UFO
> phenomenon deserves scientific attention. Serveral of the
> astronomers described their own UFO sightings.
> ------------
>
> (There... that is pretty much the whole story ala Jerome Clark.)
See, now there again is that Sturrock survey, and Jerry's quoting of the 80%
figure is probably gonna get him some mail from Klass. Sturrock himself says
in the abstract that the figure is 58% positive. He intentionally leaves out
the figure for the third response ("possibly deserves attention") because he
knows it can't really be counted as positive. So while Klass is being unfair,
so is Clark.
Jim
--
Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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From paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze
Date: 29 Mar 90 17:51:00 GMT
From what I have read and seen about the Gulf Breeze sightings, while
it is true that lots of people have seen UFO's, those sightings have
almost exclusively been of the "lights in the sky" type. It seems that
only one person, good old ED, has managed to get any unequivocal (but
questionable to many) photos of it. Since it is pretty well
established that if people often see things in the sky that they can't
explain, it should not be terribly supriseing that there have been so
many reports given the publicity the local paper gave to the "events".
If memory serves, the main corroborating witness to Ed is a supposedly
anonymous "Believer Bill". Mr. Bill may well be in on the "event" in a
less then unbiased fashion.
--
Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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From paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Default - By Daemon Mailer
Date: 30 Mar 90 05:28:00 GMT
> your view of things, these are merely science fiction. But the point
> remains that marrying a chip to an organic brain seems to be the next
> step in the evolution of the technology.
>
> When we do finally and successfully marry the two, what will be the
> result? Only time will tell.
Ever see the "Borg" episode of Star Trek II? That's one result of such an
hypothetical "marriage" -- and it's eerily familiar to your post on
self-replicating bio-computers...
The Borg of S.T. II are/were humans who seem to have messed around with
bio-computer implants. The implants took over, reducing the humans to
robots. It was a great episode -- the Enterprise couldn't beat them and had
to flee, with the Borg in pursuit.
If they re-run the episode, check it out.
Best,
Clark
--
Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG
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From paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
Subject: Congrats
Date: 29 Mar 90 16:12:00 GMT
Doug:
Thank you very much for the kind message. I am in the process
even as we speak ( and I get all the other things done that are
necessary this week ) of working with Mike C. on putting together
policy and procedures on Net Security.
Take care;
Don
--
Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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From paranet!p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Burke
Subject: Re: Black Helicopters
Date: 30 Mar 90 00:27:55 GMT
Linda:
Maybe they suspect that the aliens are "tagging" the bald eagles with
implants the same way they are "tagging" us <g>. Could we, too, be an
endangered species? -- John
--
John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: John.Burke@p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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From paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Linda.Murphy
Subject: Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter
Date: 29 Mar 90 06:10:00 GMT
To John Chalmers:
Re: Klass and Overreaction
Well, it's the overreaction that seems to run rampant at many levels.
Be it political, social, whatever... With all of the "talk" about
us supposedly being "ready" to handle it... I can only wonder, because
the behaviors still over-react with just thinking about it. It is
capable of doing that to us, right here, in these echos. I have
had a lot to think about in regards to this stuff, and misplaced or
misguided over-reaction can do a lot more harm to the overall goal
of trying to understand these things (or any new thought/idea or
science).
I think a lot of this has to do with the "inner sense" of impending
change. Historicaly speaking, when mystical or metaphysical values
begin to take a priority within any given society or culture, and are
new in appearance, concept, or idealisms, it is a "sign" of social
changes. Supressing this due to the instinctive knowledge that this is
occuring does nothing more then encourage it. It can't be stopped. I
feel that this has a lot to do with why so many get "shook up" when
they begin to evaluate history and contrast it against the paranormal
events in the past. (Mystics such as the 13th C. AD and the "change"
in warfare rules, suppresions, inquisitions for example), and the
greater pangs of knowledge emerging in the 18th, 19th C. throughout
Germany and France. I am sure that if I can think of these things
that others can that desire to keep things "status quo" who have the
means/power to try and prevent it. But it is a no-win situation, as
it only perpetuates the motion into advancement, and the change may
take place even sooner due to the "suprresive" efforts. We are just
growing and UFO's (and new sciences/philosophies and beliefs) are
all a part of it. The greater the resistance to a new concept, the
more severe the "birth of a new idea". Labor pains.... and new
concepts are synonymous.
--
Linda Murphy - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Linda.Murphy@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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From paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
Subject: Re: The 'Alien Starfighter'
Date: 29 Mar 90 16:05:00 GMT
To All:
I have noticed a very disturbing trend amoung some readers of the
posting I uploaded on the alledged Carp.UFO. For some reason a
number of people appear to think that this was meant to be taken
seriously. Please read below.
THE FILE ON THE CARP.UFO CRASH RETRIVIAL WAS PLACED IN PARANET TO
SHOW THE TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT HAS BEEN FLOATING AROUND FOR SOME
TIME. IF YOU HAD READ MY PREVIOUS POST'S, YOU WOULD HAVE NOTICED
THAT WHAT IN FACT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS MAKE A PLEA FOR
SOME REASONABLE EXAMINATION OF MATERIAL. THIS FILE CAME TO ME
UNMARKED AND UNSIGNED. THIS IS THE TYPE OF UNSUBSTANIATED
CLAPTRAP THAT HAS BEEN MUDDING THE WATERS FOR YEARS. FORGET THE
UNSUBSTANIATED TRASH AND RE-POSITION ON THE REPORTS AND CASES
THAT *CAN* BE VERIFIED. AS I STATED IN THE ORGINAL POST ABOUT
THE CARP.UFO, THERE IS **NOTHING** ABOUT THIS FILE THAT COULD OR
SHOULD BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. THERE IS NOTHING HERE THAT CAN BE
VERIFIED OR SUBSTANIATED. THE FILE CAME TO ME UNSIGNED WITH NO
RETURN ADDRESS. IT HAD BEEN PLACED HERE BECAUSE OF A REFERENCE
TO IT I HAD MADE IN ANOTHER POSTING, AND SINCE CONVERSTATION HAD
BEEN STIMULATED ON IT, I POSTED IT ONLY AS INFORMATION.
Sorry for shouting but I felt that it had to be stated that this
file is not meant by me to be taken seriously, and I do NOT in
any way support this as true and verifable REAL information.
Don
--
Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Subject: I dun ben thunking 'gain!
Date: 30 Mar 90 15:27:05 GMT
Saw a sign once in a programmer's office, sometimes I sits and thinks;
and sometimes I just sits. Well, I been sitting and thinking, again.
Seems that UFOs have been hanging around for quite some time now.
They've certainly been around since I've been alive. So how come they
haven't openly contacts us yet? I've seen enough evidence now that I'm
willing to put forth the tentative conclusion that something is
there--but I'm just not too sure what. For the sake of this piece, I'll
assume that the UFOs are alien craft probably from another planet rather
than another dimension. Remember that this is my assumption and not a
firm conclusion.
They should know by now that there are many people who would welcome the
contact with aliens. I for one am fascinated by the very concept that
there might be life on other worlds and would welcome the opportunity to
interact with them. And if the UFOs are alien craft, I presume they'd
have the technology to intercept our braodcast signals and
communications (maybe even this one). After all, they do seem to spend
considerable quatities of time in our atmosphere, which implies to me
anyway that they could receive the signals.
Yet it seems that so far they've been content with freaking people out
and terrorizing others. Sort of reminds me of the school-yard bully
when I was in school in Philadelphia, and there were several of them.
Are these the actions of an intelligent species with honorable
intentions? I don't know, but it definitely causes me concern.
Now I'm not speaking out in favor of Cooper or Lear or any of the others
who fall into that arena. I'm just looking at this from what facts I
have. I'm deliberately ignoring the various alien-government conspiracy
theories floating around. I'm looking at perceived actions. In other
words, I'm going by that old bromide: actions speak louder than words.
So the actions of these aliens seem less promising than I'd like to see.
Why just pop up and buzz an area causing great consternation? Why
abduct members of the indigenous population and treat them in such a
fashion that obviously terrorizes them? If their intentions are
honorable and peaceful, why not just arrange to meet the leading
scientists, thinkers, and leaders and ensure that it is done publically?
I don't expect to get clear answers. This is all highly speculative,
and the answers would be also.
Gene
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