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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 203
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 203
Friday, April 13th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: 3 Star Interview
Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter
The Mr. Ed Show
Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter
Re: The Mr. Ed Show
Re: Spies, Lies & ET's
Re: Strange flash of light
Black Helicopters
Re: 3 Star Interview
Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter
Re: Strange flash of light
Well
Re: Black Helicopters
Re: Moore Of The Same!
Re: Chronocentricity
Re: Em And Hearing
Re: Conviction Of Adm Poindexter
Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter
Re: Strange flash of light
Re: Spies, Lies & ET's
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: 3 Star Interview
Date: 9 Apr 90 21:01:00 GMT
I don't believe it (3 star interview). We are supposed to believe that
kind of on a whim, one military officer gives out some of the most
secret of secrets to another militiary officer. And then, when he
won't join up, so to speak, he suddenly gets the cold shoulder in all
his regualar work. That makes no sense since it obviously draws
attention to someone they are trying to distant themsleves from. IN
addition, we have the real life instance where Barry Goldwater, a
Senator and General in the Reserves, asks a good friend, a General, to
let him take a little look around a secret area of an AFB and Goldwater
is turned down COLD. The whole thing sounds like an attempt by someone
who wants to pull an "MJ-12" to provide evidence to support his gut
level beliefs.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen
Subject: Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter
Date: 10 Apr 90 01:03:00 GMT
JD>The only one getting off that was a major player is Reagan, and we
all know that you usually don't convict the mentally ill.
Well......there you go again Jim.(hehehehe).
I can't imagine a better patsy than dear OLD "I don't recall" Ronnie.
Still,I believe that we're in deep ca-ca when we have the same players
in the administration year after year.
I don't even VOTE anymore...what's the use anyway?
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: The Mr. Ed Show
Date: 10 Apr 90 05:55:00 GMT
All:
Ed Walters was on KFYI here in Phoenix last night. Jim Delton called in and
asked a few question.
Jim:
Good questions. What did you think of the answers?
Jim
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter
Date: 10 Apr 90 17:08:00 GMT
If Jimmy Carter hadn't made it to the WHite House I would be more in
agreement that we have the same players year after year but I have a
hard time viewing him as one of the "inner circle" of the supposed
group that controls everything. One thing that I *do* find intriguing
is that we have had three presidents that have had interest in the UFOP
-P question. Both Ronnie and Jimmy had a sighting and Ford was one of
the people who was interested in Congressional Hearings when he was a
Rep. And at least one of them, I think it was Carter, essentially said
that he would make the gvt open its books on UFO's if he was elected.
Yet not a one of them ever did anything on the UFO question once they
got in office. While many people feel they know what the gvt is hiding
in regard to UFO's, I am not persuaded by any of their arguments that
they have actually figured out the truth, but I am convinced that there
is something that the gvt knows that relates to UFO's that they are, in
fact, not telling us. It may be as simple as "We don't know what the
heck is up their and untill we do we are going to continue to deny
ANYTHING is up their."
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: The Mr. Ed Show
Date: 10 Apr 90 17:29:00 GMT
I found Mr. Ed to be a well spoken individual. His answer to the
question -- "Why does the photo expert (Maccabe) conclude that an
obviously 22 foot diameter object is only 8 feet?" to be unpersuasive.
He answer was that the measurements in that picture, as in all others,
was of the light ring, not of the fuzzy superstructure. It just didn't
make sense for two reasons. One, there is nothing fuzzy about hardly
any of his pictures, and two, I don't recall hearing that it was always
the light ring being measured rather then the overall objects diameter.
As to the question of "Why didn't you get a better camera instead of
that old polariod?" He said he did get a better one, but he kind of
waffled around after that. And when I pointed out that all the really
good photos were the polaroid ones he first started to say that wasn't
so, but quickly backtracked and hemmed and hawed and said yes, the
polaroids did seem to always be the best one.
I also asked if B. Maccabbee (one of these spellings has got to be
right) or any other investigator is participating in the proceeds of
the books. He said that no one was and that MacCaBees only financial
connection was that Bruce was paid to write a report that was an
appendix to a MUFON report, or some such.
I would like to have asked about the Photo of the UFO in the middle
of a section of chain link fence. To my eye it is such an obvious fake
that I have a hard time understanding how it ever got into the book.
But without being able to have the photo in front of both of us and the
audience, any discussion of it would have been impossible. Maybe I'm
missinterpeting that photo, but I would sure like to hear what others
who get a hold of the book think of that one in particular. (Jim - Is
there a B. Dalton's Near you?? Hint hint)
One thing to keep in mind is that ED has undoubtedly been asked all
of these guestions before and has had plenty of practice in answering
them so even thought he was able to do a good job on the answers I
still have many doubts about the whole situation. The inability to
capture good photos on anything but his own or a jury rigged SRS
camera, is disturbing. Also, the references made to an "SRS" camera
are kind of misleading. It makes it sound like is was some kind of
superdupper camera when all it is is two polariods stuck on a stick.
The only truely non-fudgeable camera that was used was the Nimslo
Stereo 35mm and the photos I saw that were taken with that were
unimpressive in the extreme, consisting of a few faint point of light
and in a completely different configuation that just about all the
other photos. One might almost conjecture that when confronted with a
camera system he couldn't monkey with (as I recall the camera was even
sealed so he couldn't even change the film himself) he decided that he
would just take some photos that were so faint that about all one could
say was that they were of "something".
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Karen.Henderson
Subject: Re: Spies, Lies & ET's
Date: 11 Apr 90 12:45:33 GMT
You've captured my interst now, Paul. Why do you have no choice in the
matter of believing in UFO's?
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From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Gregg.Pasterick
Subject: Re: Strange flash of light
Date: 11 Apr 90 14:46:00 GMT
The latest I've come across on that St. Pat's bolide is that
someone......experts?......I'm not sure.....considers that it might
have been a bit of a comet. A fellow posted regarding an article in a
newspaper, and evidently pieces of it were recovered, and were
comet-like.
Whatever it was, it must've been a great show...........
Gregg
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Charles.Mcelhinney
Subject: Black Helicopters
Date: 12 Apr 90 04:29:14 GMT
Hmmm...I can't seem to find your original message, and have managed
to piece together this information from what I've read of your messages:
You and a friend were driving along when a black helicopter with no
markings hovered over you, blocked your path and then flew off. Is that
it in a nutshell? I'd like to hear your whole story including where the
whole thing took place. Finding out where it took off from probably
wouldn't be too hard. Well, I'd just like to know the whole story, so
if you could repeat it, I'd be much obliged.
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Marsh
Subject: Re: 3 Star Interview
Date: 11 Apr 90 20:43:13 GMT
JD> is turned down COLD. The whole thing sounds like an attempt by someon
JD> who wants to pull an "MJ-12" to provide evidence to support his gut
JD> level beliefs.
Are you saying that you don't believe "MJ-12" exists? Or is it
some kind of disinformation group? I don't necessarily believe in
the 3 STAR report either... partially, because, it basically sounded
like plagerism from some of LEARS documentation. I think both are
wildly unfounded! But what if? <grin> Kind of makes you wonder.
Jeff
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Marsh
Subject: Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter
Date: 11 Apr 90 20:49:58 GMT
JD> Rep. And at least one of them, I think it was Carter, essentially sai
JD> that he would make the gvt open its books on UFO's if he was elected.
JD> Yet not a one of them ever did anything on the UFO question once they
JD> got in office. While many people feel they know what the gvt is hidin
Again, this brings in "MJ-12" (if in fact it is real); who has/had
so much power that they told the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES that
he can't divulge their information!
I hope you and others notice one other thing here. How often does
any one in an official (gov't or otherwise) come into Paranet (because
it's very public) and say anything about US raising questions about
our government deceiving us? If they came in to try and stop Paranet,
they would undoubtably confirm the fact(s) that the government has
something to hide. As a matter of principle I would expect someone to
try and shut these echos off because of the negative stuff said about
the gov't, etc... but ... NOTHING! Why? Because they really don't
want to give credibility to any of this. It's kind of scary, in a
way. Any thoughts on those statements I just made?
Jeff
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From: paranet!f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Komar
Subject: Re: Strange flash of light
Date: 12 Apr 90 04:11:00 GMT
In a message to John Komar <04-11-90 07:46> Gregg Pasterick wrote:
GP=> The latest I've come across on that St. Pat's bolide
GP=>is that someone......experts?......I'm not
GP=>sure.....considers that it might have been a bit of a
GP=>comet. A fellow posted regarding an article in a
GP=>newspaper, and evidently pieces of it were recovered, and
GP=>were comet-like.
GP=> Whatever it was, it must've been a great
GP=>show...........
Did he actually locate a piece of it???
John
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Well
Date: 12 Apr 90 05:08:00 GMT
Maybe the satelites and telescopes don't detect anything "alien"
because there is nothing to detect. It is one possible option.
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From: paranet!John.Burke
Subject: Re: Black Helicopters
Date: 11 Apr 90 23:35:00 GMT
Mike: I *think* I know generally where you're talking about & if that
happened to me I would have been scared right off the mountain. (I've
been up there 4 or 5 times.) BTW I just picked up the Natn'l Weekly
Edition of The Washington Post (Vol. 7 No.21 3/26-4/1 '90) which
features a cover story on the NSA entitled "Eyes Only". The article
points out that the NRO (Natn'l. Recon.) really exists. So the alleged
home of the Black Copters isn't just a Cooperfiction after all!
-- John
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From: paranet!John.Burke
Subject: Re: Moore Of The Same!
Date: 11 Apr 90 23:48:00 GMT
Jim: There's going to be at least one more excavation expedition at
the crash site. Anyone who wants to help out with the "grunt work" is
invited to go along & should contact CUFOS. The monograph is being
held back just to give the book a chance to make some dough, at the
publisher's request. As far as the Mortuary story, I think it's bogus.
A while back (Dec.) I asked Mark Rodeghier if there was any truth to
the rumor that an undertaker in the area "came forward" with the story
that in July of 1947 the Army Air Corps bought out his entire inventory
of kiddie koffins (sorry!). Mark said that the CUFOS investigation
revealed no such info & that it sounded like BS. -- John
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From: paranet!John.Burke
Subject: Re: Chronocentricity
Date: 12 Apr 90 00:07:00 GMT
Gary: Now you've got me puzzling over how nanotechnology will change
the explanation of brain function. Here's to thinking small! :-)
-- John
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Em And Hearing
Date: 12 Apr 90 03:59:00 GMT
> 2242). The reference is to The UFO Investigator, Vol. 3,
> Nov-Dec. 1965, p5. It summarizes work by Prof. Clyde E.
> Ingalls, of Cornell Univ. No details are given, but it
Thanks, John! I'll look into it!
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Conviction Of Adm Poindexter
Date: 12 Apr 90 04:09:00 GMT
> Again, this brings in "MJ-12" (if in fact it is real);
> who has/had
> so much power that they told the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
> STATES that
> he can't divulge their information!
Wouldn't be the first time! FDR was taken off the "eyes only" list for the
ULTRA intercepts just before Pearl Harbor, remember. They thought he was a
security risk...
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter
Date: 12 Apr 90 06:18:00 GMT
> I hope you and others notice one other thing here. How often does
> any one in an official (gov't or otherwise) come into Paranet (because
> it's very public) and say anything about US raising questions about
> our government deceiving us? If they came in to try and stop Paranet,
> they would undoubtably confirm the fact(s) that the government has
> something to hide. As a matter of principle I would expect someone to
> try and shut these echos off because of the negative stuff said about
> the gov't, etc... but ... NOTHING! Why? Because they really don't
> want to give credibility to any of this. It's kind of scary, in a
> way. Any thoughts on those statements I just made?
Well, Jeff, its interesting that there's been no attempt like that (that I
know of), but I wouldn't exactly say its scary - that would be like the old
joke about the elephant hiding in the tree (if you don't see it, that only
proves how well they hide!) It COULD be argued that the feds don't move in on
us because they really DON'T have anything, and we're just spinning our
wheels. I think its more likely however, that they do have at least a little
bit of knowledge, but are so secure in their belief that we'll never come up
with it that they don't need to bother with us.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Strange flash of light
Date: 12 Apr 90 06:20:00 GMT
> been a bit of a comet. A fellow posted regarding an article in a
> newspaper, and evidently pieces of it were recovered, and were comet-
> like.
Wait a minute...they recovered traces of a comet? Wouldn't we have seen that
in the page 1 headlines? As far as I know, comet traces aren't recovered every
day....
Jim
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
Subject: Re: Spies, Lies & ET's
Date: 12 Apr 90 05:57:07 GMT
In a message of <11 Apr 90 05:45:33>, Karen Henderson (1:209/725) writes:
>You've captured my interst now, Paul. Why do you have no choice in the
>matter of believing in UFO's?
No I meant that since the Gov't won't release any information they have on
UFO's, that we are being controlled by either the lack of information or by a
disinformation campaign. We have no choice in making our own descisions because
we aren't given enough information to make a descision.
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