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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 167
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 167
Saturday, March 3rd 1990
Today's Topics:
ETs and Atmospheres
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GELL-O
Re: Grist For Conspiracy Buffs
Re: Is Cooper All That Crazy!?
The Canberra "UFO" - final report
Re: Lunar Anomalies
More Gulf Breeze Fallout
Is Cooper all that crazy!?
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From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Subject: ETs and Atmospheres
Date: 3 Mar 90 00:20:25 GMT
Gary:
I'm not sure why you'd think that aliens couldn't live on our air nor we
theirs. If the aliens developed along simialr lines as humans, they'd
be carbon based and would breathe oxygen.
One of the things that I've thought about is how life on other worlds
would evolve. I can agree that it is possible that alien lifeforms
could be based upon something other than carbon. But would this
necessarily preclude them from breathing our atmosphere? I'm not sure
about this simply because we haven't met any lifeforms not based on
carbon and oxygen breathers.
I would be interested in why you think that aliens could not make it in
our atmosphere.
Regards,
Gene
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From: ddrasin!well (Dan Drasin)
Subject: (none)
Date: 3 Mar 90 00:21:06 GMT
Atmospheres and Environments
> From: Gary Knight <GARY@maximillion.cp.mcc.com>
> Subject: ETs and the atmosphere
> Date: 1 Mar 90 21:12:09 GMT
>
> With one exception (an alleged statement by General Marshall in
> Good's ABOVE TOP SECRET), in all the material I've read about ET visits to
> earth, and abductions of humans into ET vehicles, I've never seen the
> atmosphere problem addressed. The probability of an ET evolving in an
> atmosphere identical to that of Earth approaches zero. So how come the
> ETs and the humans can share the same space in abductions with no ill-
> effects? How come the ETs can walk around on Earth (e.g., alleged CE-III
> events) without special breathing apparatus? Can anyone talk on this
> point? Thanks,
Good point, Gary, and one could make the same point about things
like relative temperature, light, gravitation, microbial exposure,
etc.
Note that quite a few abductees have reported that atmospheric and
other unspecified environmental considerations do in fact limit the
length of exposure (on the part of both parties), in most cases, to
several hours -- which happens to be the typical span of "missing
time" we find in most abduction reports. I am under the distinct
impression that most abductees report feeling physically cold while
in the aliens' physical/dimensional environment.
The probabilities concerning the similarity of mutually alien
atmospheres must remain in the realm of speculation until we have
more hard information. One could argue that *to the extent* that
alien life resembles our own, there must be at least some
commonality or "overlap" of environmental conditions. My guess is
that the whole spectrum of relative commonality is covered by the
variety of alien life that appears to be knocking at the door of our
consensus reality.
Note also that there have been quite a number of CEIII reports over
the years in which some kind of breathing apparatus *has* been
reported.
As far as gravitation is concerned, it's a fairly uncontroversial
idea that you can't function on a planet whose gravity is *too* much
greater than your own. Hoagland covers this point rather well in his
book THE MONUMENTS OF MARS, in which he speculates about why a
civilization that might have successfully colonized Mars would have
been forbidden from accessing its presumably far-more-appealing
next-door neighbor: Our gravity is three times that of Mars.
I find the question of microbial exposure particularly intriguing.
Somehow we tend to ignore the possibility that civilizations that
are presumably far in advance of us technically may have
successfully addressed the problem of microbial infection. If one
percent of abduction and other CEIII reports are true, I think it's
reasonable to assume that most aliens with whom we have come into
contact have taken appropriate measures to prevent mutual infection
-- assuming sufficient biological similarity between us to permit
infection in the first place. By the way, Budd Hopkins claims that
quite a number of abductees have experienced chronic, conventional
infections in areas probed by the aliens with apparently
unsterilized instruments. One could speculate that such aliens are
biologically constituted so as not to be prone to infection as we
experience it, which might explain their carelessless/ignorance.
That would be consistent with their reported conceptual and
perceptual "blind spots" in regard to other areas of human
physiology, psychology, etc., in spite of a seemingly impressive
intelligence in other areas.
One of my favorite contact books is UFO CONTACT FROM PLANET IARGA,
which (even if you assume it to be fiction) addresses a number of
these environmental questions in an engaging way. Iarga's gravity is
said to be several times as strong as ours, with interesting
consequences in terms of the Iargans' behavior, technology, etc.
(for example, a fall from a height of two meters is almost
invariably fatal). Their physique is reported as stocky and
heavy-boned; they evolved on their mostly water-covered home planet
from sea-otter-type creatures, and are excellent swimmers. Their
atmosphere is not greatly different from ours, although the pressure
is considerably higher. Their oceans are somewhat less saline than
ours. Their technology appears to be not *greatly* in advance of
ours, though it's incredibly elegant and commonsensical in a
Bucky-Fullerish kind of way. They do set aside a specially
sterilized room in their scout craft for visitors. As an aside,
their constitution integrates politics, economics, law, technology,
etc., in an intriguingly elegant fashion. They are benign creatures
who find us fascinating. Fact or fiction, the book is a good read,
and food for much thought. The pseudonymous contactee/author is
apparently the former CEO of one of the largest electronics
conglomerates in Europe.
Dan Drasin / ddrasin@well
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From: paranet!f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Zach.Harman
Subject: GELL-O
Date: 3 Mar 90 05:19:48 GMT
What exactly are your views on samadhi and UFO's?
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Grist For Conspiracy Buffs
Date: 3 Mar 90 05:06:00 GMT
> Actually, it's all relatively harmless -- and quite standard procedure
> -- but I couldn't help thinking what paranoid minds could do
> with it!
Hi Gary. Does one have to be paranoid to wonder why IBM, Cypress
Semiconductors, AMD and Sandia (AT&T, ostensibly) would pool their resources
in the national interest ...
> [Under new legislation] if a government lab is involved in a
> cooperative venture with private industry, it is not required
> to respond to a Freedom of Information Act request.
>
... and conceal their work with the help of the government? I may be
paranoid, but you have my full attention on both of these points.
Please tell us, what law allows the gov't to use its contractors as shills
to avoid public inquiries? Also, any word of what patriotic good works are
going on in at this "all-for-our-own-good-just-don't-ask-any-questions"
consortium?
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Is Cooper All That Crazy!?
Date: 3 Mar 90 05:21:00 GMT
> This is very unsettling news to me. Maybe Cooper isn't so
> paranoid
> after all. What do you folks think?
I read about the searches abroad in the NY Times and THAT concerned me.
There wasn't anything about the domestic search provisions, though. I think
they're shocking.
Today, 3/2/90, has been a very disturbing day for me. First I read that
some law has been very quietly passed that exempts private companies &
consortiums doing government work from the Freedom of Information Act. Now
I read about another flimsy pretext for shredding Habeas Corpus and 500
years of common law.
Where in God's name is all this stuff coming from and why does no one know
about it??!!!!
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: The Canberra "UFO" - final report
Date: 3 Mar 90 00:07:00 GMT
> The recent video footage out of Canberra, of which you have
> already
> heard, was definitely the planet Venus. It was in the same place
> at the same time (there were no other bright objects seen in the
> eastern sky at 0515hrs) and Ray Brooke, UFORA associate in South
> Australia,
> even repeated the footage on his video camera by shooting Venus at
> the same time and zooming in. He even got the missing bits (as in
> Mr Ivanisevic's original video) at each end. Sorry folks, better
> luck next time!
Well done, gang! Can we log this one as S1? (I failed to mention that
the "S1" rating, as I use it, is not accompanied by a P factor, which I
think would be irrelevant).
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Lunar Anomalies
Date: 3 Mar 90 05:51:00 GMT
John Lear once showed me a videotape from Japan which showed a
full-frame shot of the full moon, with an object that looked like a
shadow passing over it at tremendous speed. The tape was purportedly
made by Japanese astronomers, and the audio was in Japanese. It sounded
like two men discussing what they were seeing. The object was no bigger
than a flyspeck, but it very definitely behaved like a shadow, changing
shape slightly as it passed over craters, etc. It was moving too fast to
be the shadow of a satellite (are there any satellites in permanent
orbit around the moon?) or other spacecraft.
Has anyone heard anything more about this tape?
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: More Gulf Breeze Fallout
Date: 3 Mar 90 06:21:00 GMT
Bill Pitts, director of the New Project Blue Book, on Gulf Breeze:
<<
The reason I resigned from MUFON is because of Walt's (MUFON's) very
positive reaction to, and the promotion of, the alleged Gulf Breeze
incident. This is an out-right hoax, and was brought to Walt's attention,
and which he has `neatly' ignored. He has received a vested interest,
financially, in this case, and has offered only cursory information in
the `MUFON Journal' which would tend to explain away the matters - and
which would place him, and his enthusiasm (misplaced) in a bad light.
Walt Andrus, Bruce Maccabee, and others, were, in effect, paid off. This
has no place in an honest evaluation.
There is more, but the above will suffice at this time. Walt is
endeavoring to build membership forsaking honesty. Ed Walters/Hansen,
(among other alias's) is a convicted felon, and is not the citizen Walt
has been promoting.
>>
Source: The Orbiter, published by Jim Melesciuc, former MASS MUFON
director - who also resigned because of the Gulf Breeze case.
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Is Cooper all that crazy!?
Date: 3 Mar 90 06:51:00 GMT
> This is very unsettling news to me. Maybe Cooper isn't so
> paranoid
> after all. What do you folks think?
I agree its very unsettling. But just because they're out to get us,
doesn't mean Cooper's not paranoid.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: (none)
Date: 3 Mar 90 06:56:00 GMT
Dan:
Just a note to say its a pleasure to have you here, and I hope you will
join us more often!
Jim Speiser
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