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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 180
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 180
Wednesday, March 21st 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: Richard Murray information packet
Re: Strange flash of light
Re: Gulf Breeze photos
US Law Enforcement
INET
Re: Signals Leaving Earth; Book Publisher?
Re: Say What ?!???
Things-a-hopping!
Re: Strange flash of light
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Richard Murray information packet
Date: 20 Mar 90 06:09:00 GMT
> spread, so that others would hush up and let that group do its
> thing.
>
> @ Well,that's NEWS to me. First mention I've heard of this.
>
> I understand the need to keep certain aspects silent for a time,
> until
> more complete research is performed,but how's about a *status
> report*
> from time to time?
>
Don, I've already said more than I am allowed to. But let me speak
hypothetically for a moment. If such a group existed, can you not see
how it would behoove them to be as secretive as possible, even as to
their very existence? If the existence of such a group were widely
known, can you see how many fruit loops out there would DEMAND to be on
it? Some of them might just go ahead and CLAIM to be members. Now, think
of the situation in your typical Congressman's office. He or she
probably has about 15 to 20 letters on his desk right now, DEMANDING
a probe into everything from abductions to underground bases to George
Bush's Trilateralist connections to the Hole to Hell. Lear and Cooper's
"indictment" document is in that stack, along with Murray's letter and a
few others I'm aware of. Congress simply can't investigate every wacko
claim that comes along, and the bigger the stack, the more they are
probably laughing at us. I fear its probably already too late, but such
a group might succeed if it manifests a distinctly higher order of
common sense, logic, and scientific expertise, and if it calmly informs
rather than rashly demands.
So, do you understand now why "progress reports" are probably not a good
idea as yet? And why it would be best if we simply did not address this
subject for now? As a matter of fact, I can't guarantee when, or even
whether, you'll ever hear ANYTHING about this group, unless they are
successful.
Jim
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From: Will Martin <wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil>
Subject: Re: Strange flash of light
Date: 20 Mar 90 15:09:54 GMT
Unfortunately, my copy of the Paranet Digest (#177) that contained the
basenote to this followup was truncated in the middle of that particular
posting! :-( Talk about conspiracies... I am CC'ing to the SPACE
list in case the cause of the flash was space-related.
Anyway, apologies if any of what I say duplicates that original posting:
I and a couple of my guests saw the same flash of light Saturday night
(Mar 17, approx 9:30 PM CST). However, we saw it through windows and were
not looking directly at the sky or the source, so only had a brief
flicker of impression. The color appeared to me to be *blue-white*,
like lightning, and not the "yellow/white" mentioned. Of course, the
transmission through glass may have changed the apparent color.
However, the news reports we heard later referred to it as "white". It
was mentioned on all the local St. Louis TV stations during their
evening newscasts at 10 PM or thereabouts, mostly in the weather
segments but also as a regular news item. There were many references to
NORAD and to the National Weather Service having been contacted, but
those organizations had no explanations or comments at that time. The
flash was reported from all over the Missouri/Illinois area, according
to the news reports, but no mention was made of its visibility from
other locations.
Some reports said it was only a single flash, while others described a
"flickering" or multiple flashes. I saw only a single flash.
There was some speculation about it being a re-entering piece of space debris
or a meteor, but nothing definite. No UFOs were mentioned that I heard.
Then, later, I heard another, more elaborate report in which the flash was
linked to a fire started in a farmer's field by something falling out of
the sky. This was only heard once, and I have no idea of its accuracy.
(I do not remember the location cited for that.)
After seeing the flash thru the window, I went outside and looked at the
sky. It was clear and cloudless, as far as I could determine, which made
the "lightning" idea I at first had seem wrong. (Actually, there were more
stars visible than is usual these days in the city with all the haze and light
pollution... :-() I then thought it might have been a streetlight bulb
blowing out, but then my guests said they had seen it through the windows
on the opposite side of the house, and that argued against that. Later, then,
I heard the news reports and realized it was more widespread.
I heard another followup news report Sunday that stated that there still was
no official explanation for the flash. I have not seen any newspaper or
other written reports of this incident. I encourage anyone who has written
articles on the subject to scan them in or type in a summary and send it
to the group.
Regards, Will Martin
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From: paranet!John.Burke
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze photos
Date: 20 Mar 90 02:24:36 GMT
John: Shame on you for thinking so objectively after reading The Breeze
Bible! You aren't supposed to do that! Shut up and eat your grilled
cheese sandwich! <big grin>
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From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Subject: US Law Enforcement
Date: 20 Mar 90 22:05:14 GMT
-+ From: paranet!f2.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG!John.Daly
-+ Subject: Is Cooper all that crazy!?
-+
-+ You may be reassured on this. US law enforcement officers have
-+ no powers of search, arrest, or anything else over non-US citizens
-+ outside US borders. That you should suggest they could do so is to
-+ forget that the USA controls only 2% of the Earth's land area. The
-+ other 98% is controlled by other people, andquite outside US
-+ jurisdiction.
Noriega thought so too. Fact is that this decision means that our law
enforcement officials can do as they please, within the bounds of local
juridiction when overt, and hang the rules when covert.
And before you go further, notice what you of your Mates says:
-+
-+ From: paranet!f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Mark.Jose
-+ Subject: Is Cooper all that crazy!?
-+
-+ And here in Victoria, Australia, we are kicking up a fuss about police
-+ being able to finger print suspects and about them being able to demand your
-+ name on the spot in the street regardless of whether you are engaged in an
-+ illegal activity or not. Boy, I thought we were a police state!! Good luck.
-+
-+ >I was floored by this. It means that if the police can get
-+ >into your
-+ >house under some legitimate sounding pretext they can search
-+ >your house,
-+ >your private property, merely because they suspect that there
-+ >is a
-+ Police over here (in Victoria) do not even have to have any thing typed on
-+ the search warrant that they produce when about to make a
-+ search-and-seizure. All it has to have on it is "COPY OF .... ".
Just how much a joint US-Aussie law enforcement operation could do is
beyond me. But I do tend to get rather nervous when the police are
given too free a hand in things.
The point, John, is that our Supreme Court has given our law enforcement
people the right to enter the private residence without due legal
process. That alone scares me. Then they gave the police the right to
conduct a search of a private residence within the jurisdictional
boundaries of the involved agency upon mere suspicion that an armed
assailant might be waiting in ambush.
I am concerned because such liberties taken with my freedoms, as
protected by the US Constitution, could be abused without my having
recourse to due process.
Further, in the context that I originally posted, my concern was that
such moves could easily fit into the views of Cooper and others like him
who see the lid being clamped down. This would be necessary, in the
government's view, to deal with the aliens (nasty little buggers that
want to eat your face ;-)). Now I'm not siding with Cooper and the
others, but prudence demands caution and the taking of precautions. If
all of this alien stuff is true (must admit I have some doubts), then I
say that any move to give the police and Coast Guard greater powers is a
move in the wrong direction, especially when it does so without
increasing my rights to due process and defense of my private property.
My other concern was for those of you outside our national borders. If
our police arranged through yours to conduct an operation...well, I'll
leave it to your own imagination.
There may not be anything more to the article I quoted from USA Today.
But I found it alarming that law enforcement was given a real boost in
power and authority at our expense. It is no different than using civil
law to confiscate property from "suspected" criminals. Using the
criminal law to do this same thing is much more difficult. So our law
enforcement people have gone to using the civil law under which they can
do a lot without the need for the same level of evidence as required
under criminal law.
Think about Americans. Here we are investigating UFOs and related
phenomenon. On top of that we are going after government documents
trying to determine what, if anything, the government knows and has been
doing. Suppose they really have been. Suppose also that Cooper, et al,
are not crackpots. What is keeping us safe from government cease and
desist operations? The law--what law? What is to prevent them from
entering your home on a sound, valid legal pretext and then using this
new legal measure to search your entire home and surrounding property?
The police merely have to suspect that there is someone in the house who
is armed and hiding. As for taking it to court, good luck! They will
probably find some way to use the RICO or other civil laws to confiscate
your personal property.
Fiction!? I leave it to you to decide.
Gene
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From: paranet!Bill.English
Subject: INET
Date: 20 Mar 90 16:22:00 GMT
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Signals Leaving Earth; Book Publisher?
Date: 20 Mar 90 16:52:00 GMT
Hi Jim. I'll pass on the Blieleck tape. His rap sounds like total piffle
to me.
I'll send out the VHS tape this week. I'm sorry, I keep forgetting.
BTW, a while back you asked about the US Merchant Marines in the Pacific
theatre during WWII. Anything to do with SS Andrew Furuseth? Just curious.
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Say What ?!???
Date: 19 Mar 90 20:21:00 GMT
As to things that would stand up in a court; I think we have any number
of incidents that would stand up in court if the objective was to prove
that "something" is happening up in the sky that is not being explained
by the authourities in a convincing manner. I don't think there is
anything though that would be courtroom convincible in terms of a
verdict of Extraterrestrial. Not even the most die-hard skeptics would
try to claim that UFO's don't exist in the definitional sense of the
word(s) UFO. Even the skeptics will agree that most sightings are NOT
hoaxes. WHat skeptics WON'T agree is that just because something is
unexplainable it must be extraterrestrial (or some other pet theory).
I believe a good case can be made (at least from what I've seen and
read) that the UFO phenomenon is worth further study, especially in
light of some of the truely frivolous research that gets funded in
other fields. I DON'T think you can make a good case though, by
presenting all the abduction tales and etherial planes and lost cities
as part and parcel to the UFO phenomenon. Bringing all that crap in
weakens the case a far as the people who might be in a position to help
and who will have to put THEIR reputation on the line if they are to
champion the cause. If nothing else, a case can be made that the gvt
is far too obsessive in trying to cover everything up. If the only
thing that came out of a UFO investigation was a more open gvt, that
alone would make it worth it. As to specific incidents, check out Jim
Speisers list of the "Top Ten"
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From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Ballard
Subject: Things-a-hopping!
Date: 20 Mar 90 05:04:00 GMT
Wow Ray!
A period of silence, then the announcement that the experiment is over
with results forthcoming, now flying 18 wheelers....
I'm obviously talking to the wrong contingent in the area...wrong in
the sense of having the extraordinary tales....Will buzz you soon..BJB
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From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Gregg.Pasterick
Subject: Re: Strange flash of light
Date: 20 Mar 90 15:36:00 GMT
Okay.....this is interesting. Allow me to quote from a couple of
boards from the St. Louis area.......or at least paraphrase.
From another UFO board, The Darkside: "A 'spectacular' white
flash in the southern sky was seen by many St. Louis area residents
shortly after 9:30 PM SAturday March 17...."
"It appeared first as a glowing orange ball for maybe a third of a
second, due south and moving rapdily across the sky. Then there was a
spectacular bright flash."
From an AStro board in St Louis, M-42: "....but did anyone see
that flash of light around 9:30 tonight? I was in my house, but it was
bright enough to come through the windows. I heard on the news that it
was seen as far awy as Iowa......."
With so many observations, I hope a few folks might have been able
to plot it, and maybe get an estimated altitude and so on......
By the way, a bright fireball was observed in the Buffalo area
back on March 6........
Gregg
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