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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 171
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 171
Wednesday, March 7th 1990
Today's Topics:
Where, Oh Where...
Re: Predictions???
Re: (none)
The New Project Blue Book
Central Florida Sightings
Cooper and Paranoia Anonymous
Cooper and Paranoia
Gulf Breeze pictures -- imitations
The Canberra "UFO" - final report
Re: Predictions???
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Where, Oh Where...
Date: 7 Mar 90 04:24:00 GMT
Does anyone have any information on the following persons?
1) Dr. David Saunders
2) Jeffrey Kretsch
3) What, if anything else, was done on the Zeta Reticuli
Incident paper? I got a copy and am working on getting it typed
up into a file, but I have also heard from ASTRONOMY Magazine's
Editor, Richard Berry, that the article was subsequently
discredited. After reading it, I was very impressed with it,
even if it was discredited, for a couple of reasons:
a) It clearly demonstrates that science and cohorts CAN
take a serious look at the phenomena;
b) The forum was similar to a debate; Terence Dickinson
wrote the original article and Carl Sagan, Steven Soter and
others replied and rebutted the various discussions.
I see that ParaNet is such a forum and would like to see us get
involved in various discussions of similar nature bringing to the
table various viewpoints and the basis for why this is reached.
Anyone with information on the above questions, please respond
here or by netmail via 104/422 or mcorbin@scicom.alphacdc.com
Thanks,
Mike
P.S. Still looking for Mystery Stalks the Prarie. This is much
needed. Thanks.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Predictions???
Date: 6 Mar 90 17:35:00 GMT
RE:Bush and China
I kind of thought the situation was bizzare until I read that we had
more then one NSA-CIA-NRO listening post in China. SUch pragmatic
concerns are of considerable more import to Bush then the murder of a
handful of Chinese students.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 6 Mar 90 18:31:00 GMT
One other thing on Maccabee -- Once an "expert" has gone on record with
a postion, he is going to be very reluctant to change that position
without strong contrary evidence. In ANY UFO case, there never seems
to be any strong evidence for the "pro" side so it is reasonable for a
researcher to consider the evidence and pick his position on the basis
of what he has before him, which is what Maccabee did. Now, there
would have to be very compelling counter evidence for him to "lose
face" by changing his position. AFter all, who is going to pay
attention to an expert who vacillates. Macabee is now sort of in a no
win situation. If he sticks to "it's all true" he opinion is
questioned by those who bring up some of the sticky questions about not
only the photos but some of the non-photo items. If he changes his
opinion, he winds up losing credibility in terms of future reputation.
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From: ddrasin@well.sf.ca.us (Dan Drasin)
Subject: The New Project Blue Book
Date: 7 Mar 90 07:51:24 GMT
The New Project Blue Book
-+ From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
-+ Subject: (none)
-+ Date: 6 Mar 90 06:16:00 GMT
-+ ... Some areas of this enigma need to be treated with some rigidity.
-+ I would not recommend such an approach for ParaNet, but for what
-+ Pitts is trying to accomplish, it may be just the ticket.
Jim I'd appreciate it if you could help clarify for me and possibly
for others, just what Pitts *is* trying to accomplish. What are the
purposes and MO of Pitts' New Project Blue Book as you understand
them. Many of Pitts' statements are so obscure and convoluted at times
that I could interpret what he says in various different ways. I'm
really hard pressed to understand his intentions and rationale. I have
no idea how his "Associate Members" are chosen, since one cannot apply
for membership. According to Pitts, all his members "have had in-depth
background in Flying Saucer/UFO sighting reports, from 1947 to this
date." I'm curious as to what group or class of people might share
those specific qualifications, i.e., in-depth background, 1947 to the
present?
Can you say anything about his project's track record during the past
year and a half? Whom has it served? Has it shed any meaningful light
on the subject?
And can you give me an example of some areas that need to be treated
with "some rigidity?" For example, I could probably accept, or at
least rationalize the need for, secrecy and compartmentalization in
certain very limited contexts -- but problem-solving is certainly not
among them.
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From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Subject: Central Florida Sightings
Date: 7 Mar 90 11:55:45 GMT
Sandy, is this thesis for a college class? Also, if it is for college,
are you attending UCF? The reason I ask is that when I attended UCF (it
was known as FTU back then) there was quite an active group that
discussed UFOs and other similar topics. I don't know if they are still
going strong on campus. They had a history going back to when the
university first opened and seemed self-perpetuating.
Also, I remember that the Orlando Public Library used to have a rather
good collection of books on UFOs, including sightings in the Central
Florida area. The Oveido lights you might find something on if you are
willing to dig back through the editions of the Sentinel. I seem to
recall that one of their staffers did a feature piece, but hanged if I
can remember the actual date.
By way of information, I attended junior and senior high in Orlando--and
later I went to UCF for my undergrad degree. My interest in and love
for space travel started back then watching the first abortive efforts
at the Cape to launch and then watching the early manned mission--much
of which I could watch from my backyard. I also know that UFOs were
frequently sighted in the Central Florida area--though I suspect that
some of them were due to the number of airbases in the area. In
particular, at McCoy, they had a U2 unit. Those aircraft would come
sailing in without making much noise except a whoosh. With a little
altitude, the U2's tended to freak some folks. We service brats knew
about them and laughed like crazy when others couldn't ID the craft.
Well, enough of old home week. If I can, I'll find out if that group on
UCF's campus is still meeting. It wasn't anything official, people just
tended to gather together. It was a rather nice way to spend the time
before a class--unless it was exam time. ;-)
Gene
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From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Subject: Cooper and Paranoia Anonymous
Date: 7 Mar 90 11:56:24 GMT
-+From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
-+Subject: Re: Grist For Conspiracy Buffs
-+
-+ >Actually, it's all relatively harmless -- and quite standard procedure
-+ >-- but I couldn't help thinking what paranoid minds could do
-+ >with it!
-+
-+ Hi Gary. Does one have to be paranoid to wonder why IBM, Cypress
-+ Semiconductors, AMD and Sandia (AT&T, ostensibly) would pool their resources
-+ in the national interest ...
An added note, since when have major corporations had the best interest
of the people at heart? Ask what motivates a company and the answer is
always profit. Sure the PR people come out with the nice little pieces
like what Philips 66 did a few years ago. And granted some of the
bigger companies are good to work for with all the benies and perqs.
But to grant them some sort of benign nature is pure hogwash. That
would be like saying that the government is benign. Anyone out there
believe that the major companies have a benign nature?
-+
-+ ... and conceal their work with the help of the government? I may be
-+ paranoid, but you have my full attention on both of these points.
-+
-+ Please tell us, what law allows the gov't to use its contractors as shills
-+ to avoid public inquiries? Also, any word of what patriotic good works are
-+ going on in at this "all-for-our-own-good-just-don't-ask-any-questions"
-+ consortium?
Bingo!! You've asked the 64 thousand dollar question, Clark. What they
are doing in our name and on our behalf is our business. Hiding like
they do makes me think of those idiots that run around with sheets on
and burning crosses on front yards. Or the bully boys in brown shirts.
-+From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
-+Subject: Re: Is Cooper All That Crazy!?
-+
-+ > This is very unsettling news to me. Maybe Cooper isn't so
-+ > paranoid
-+ > after all. What do you folks think?
-+
-+ I read about the searches abroad in the NY Times and THAT concerned me.
-+ There wasn't anything about the domestic search provisions, though. I think
-+ they're shocking.
-+
-+ Today, 3/2/90, has been a very disturbing day for me. First I read that
-+ some law has been very quietly passed that exempts private companies &
-+ consortiums doing government work from the Freedom of Information Act. Now
-+ I read about another flimsy pretext for shredding Habeas Corpus and 500
-+ years of common law.
-+
-+ Where in God's name is all this stuff coming from and why does no one know
-+ about it??!!!!
I think part of your answer rests with the "increase" in drugs and
lawlessness. When people feel threatened, they run to Uncle for
protection. This is something that never ceases to amaze me. Sure
Uncle will protect you--for a price. That price is usually some
abridgement of our rights.
Another thing to think about: the government ran into problems trying
to prosecute people on drug charges under criminal law. So what do they
do now--they charge them using civil law. The rules are slightly
different under civil law than under criminal law. Under criminal law,
you have the right not to say anything that might incriminate you. This
isn't true for civil law. The burden of proof in criminal law is on the
prosecution, not so in civil law. See what they are doing!!? Check out
the RICO Act.
What is going on is pure trickery and stupidity. And those who are
going along with this would do well to remember what Franklin said,
those who are willing to give up some of their liberties for security
deserve neither.
I think that another part of your answer rests in the fact that our
elected representative and those that they appoint have forgotten who
serves whom. They are our servants; we aren't theirs. That is part of
the reason I have consistently voted against the incumbent in every
election for the last two decades. They have come to expect that
they'll go back every year to live off of us. I say vote them out. Put
some new people in, and after they've served two terms, vote them out.
We have allowed the development of a professional politician class.
That is dangerous, very dangerous.
And we can see the results just by looking into some of the skullduggery
that has gone on in our government over the past four decades or so.
Remember the CIA experiments with LSD? How about the Army's experiments
with troops near nuclear explosions? What about ABSCAM or Watergate or
Iran-Contra? Then you begin to realize what the danger is.
-+From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
-+Subject: Is Cooper all that crazy!?
-+
-+ > This is very unsettling news to me. Maybe Cooper isn't so
-+ > paranoid
-+ > after all. What do you folks think?
-+
-+
-+ I agree its very unsettling. But just because they're out to get us,
-+ doesn't mean Cooper's not paranoid.
Jim, you do well to remind us to laugh at ourselves once in a while. If
it weren't for the serious implications of what is going on the past few
days, I'd be inclined to wisecrack myself. But your funny does cause me
to smile a bit. Thanks.
Gene
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From: paranet!f603.n914.z8.FIDONET.ORG!Randy.Alexander
Subject: Cooper and Paranoia
Date: 2 Mar 90 04:40:00 GMT
To: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
ii> ............. Why should we expect that advanced
ii> technological
ii> civilizations are going to be "good guys/ladies" .......
Well, one reason why 'aliens' could all be 'good guys/ladies' is that
their not HUMAN... I agree that HUMANS are not all 'good guys...' but
I can't carry that judgement over to other species.
I tend to treat reports of 'bad aliens' as paranoia. Humans are famous for
fearing and killing anything unknown or not understood.
Randy
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From: logajan@pnet51.orb.mn.org (John Logajan)
Subject: Gulf Breeze pictures -- imitations
Date: 7 Mar 90 16:35:10 GMT
Forgive my novice interjection into this net, but CUFO's (Center for UFO
Studies) publication IUR (International UFO Reporter) has several examples
of Gulf Breeze like photos -- made by double exposures. Furthermore, the
show Unsolved Mysteries mentioned that some of the Gulf Breeze photos were
taken in the presence of witnesses who COULDN'T see the UFOs as the guy was
snapping the pictures. This sounds very suspicious -- something consistent
with double exposures.
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From: paranet!f7.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Vladimir.Godic.
Subject: The Canberra "UFO" - final report
Date: 8 Mar 90 04:55:00 GMT
> Well done, gang! Can we log this one as S1? (I failed to mention
> that the "S1" rating, as I use it, is not accompanied by a P
> factor, which I think would be irrelevant).
Yes Jim, I think the "S1" rating is fine. The reason why I sent this
message, in the first place, is because the media here were getting very
excited about this sighting. It was almost becoming another
"Mundrabilla" and I thought I'll warn you guys before things get out
of control. By the way Jim, was there any mention of this "UFO" on
your TV or in print media? You see, what happens is this - if one
TV stations gets "hot" news then the rest of them don't want to be
left out so the story gets bigger and bigger. During the
"Mundrabilla" investigation, for example, our investigators were
going in an out Channel 7 (that was the TV station who got involved
with Knowles family) and were driven around in 7's vehicle. The
Channel 9 crew followed them in their vehicle ( with cameras and
reporters on standby) wherever they went, hoping they'd get an
opportunity to film the Knowles vehicle and talk to the family.
Vladimir.
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From: paranet!Steve.Gresser
Subject: Re: Predictions???
Date: 7 Mar 90 09:18:00 GMT
Yeah, I know what you mean. We probably have a chapter of the NRA over
there, too!
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