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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 177
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 177
Sunday, March 18th 1990
Today's Topics:
UFOs
S.N.U.F.O.R.S.
Introduction
Is Cooper all that crazy!?
The Canberra "UFO" - final report
MJ12
Is Cooper all that crazy!?
"OZTRAIN" tracked down
Re: Lazar/Area51
Re: (none)
Re: Signals Leaving Earth; Book Publisher?
Gulf Breeze
Richard Murray & Congressional Amnesty
Gulf Breeze and national media; Alternative-3 video tape
Re: Signals Leaving Earth; Book Publisher?
Re: LOOKING FOR A BOOK
Re: Message From Sally Sheridan
Gulf Breeze photos
Strange flash of light
School?
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Karen.Henderson
Subject: UFOs
Date: 17 Mar 90 14:51:51 GMT
Just as an example, my bro and I swung the conversation around to
aliens and UFOs the other night when my stepfather's daughter was
visiting. She considers herself a very devout Christian (they even
named their store after Christ) and she got super uneasy, refusing to
believe ANYTHING about them or their existence. Yes, there are people
who would get very upset and uneasy if they were ever proven to
exist--ie. the government telling us they were real!
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From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka
Subject: S.N.U.F.O.R.S.
Date: 18 Mar 90 03:32:19 GMT
We are trying to organize the Southern Nevada UFO Research Society here
in Las Vegas. If anyone out there Has any information or files they
would like distributed to the public, please let us know. Our
organization is always looking for new material
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From: ncar!rutgers!relay.cs.net!cl.uh.edu!TRULL
Subject: Introduction
Date: 18 Mar 90 16:23:35 GMT
Hello!
I'm a grad student in Futures Studies here at the University
of Houston -- Clear Lake. I'm interested in paranormal and
psychic phenomenae of all sorts -- reading and discussing
these is a hobby which I take seriously. I am on the PSI-L
discussion list already, and as they do not discuss UFO
phenomenae, it was suggested that those interested contact
this board: here I am! Space exploration is a major "theme"
of my life anyway, and the more I "explore" the harder it is
to believe that we could be alone, and basically, I just want
to know more. (Oh, I also enjoy archaeological readings/
discussions as a hobby, particularly ancient astronomy and
the possibilities of previous contact.)
K.J. Trull
TRULL%cl.uh.edu@RELAY.CS.NET
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From: paranet!f2.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG!John.Daly
Subject: Is Cooper all that crazy!?
Date: 7 Mar 90 01:28:00 GMT
ii > "Law enforcement officials are the big winners in a pair of
ii > Supreme
ii > Court rulings...that give police *SWEEPING* [emphasis
ii > added] powers to
ii > search private homes here and abroad.
ii >
ii > ">Law enforcement officers don't need search warrants to search
ii > non-citizens outside U.S. borders.
ii >
You may be reassured on this. US law enforcement officers have
no powers of search, arrest, or anything else over non-US citizens
outside US borders. That you should suggest they could do so is to
forget that the USA controls only 2% of the Earth's land area. The
other 98% is controlled by other people, andquite outside US
jurisdiction.
Regards
John Daly Tasmania (10,000 miles from USA)
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From: paranet!f7.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Vladimir.Godic.
Subject: The Canberra "UFO" - final report
Date: 12 Mar 90 05:43:00 GMT
> Yes, but don't you wish the media would respond like that when
> you get a REAL sighting? Have you been in touch with the
> Australian media, to give them your angle on the Canberra case?
> The combination of press releases and fax machines can be a
> formidable media tool. We used that tactic here to try and
> dampen the media publicity surrounding Voronezh. It just seems
> like the media get so excited over the wrong cases, then follows
> disappointment, and right in the middle of it, the grey guys
> drop a real one on us and everyone says, "yeah, sure."
We decided to leave it well alone, Jim. The Canberra "UFO"report
did not make as big impact as we expected it. RAAF made statement that
there was nothing in it and they are not going to investigate it.
We do send media release when necessary, but in this case decided
against it simply because we have to use different strategy, from time
to time, otherwise people and the media are going to see UFORA as
perpetual debunkers. We still want people to report UFO sightings to
UFORA and its associate.
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From: paranet!f0.n1032.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Marcel.Zufferey
Subject: MJ12
Date: 11 Mar 90 21:39:00 GMT
Since this area is about UFO's, anyone Know anything about MJ12 (The
American Reaserch Unit, that denies the existence of them).
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From: paranet!f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Mark.Jose
Subject: Is Cooper all that crazy!?
Date: 12 Mar 90 22:14:00 GMT
* Replying to a message originally to All
>From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
>Subject: Is Cooper all that crazy!?
>">Police making arrests in U.S. homes can make a "protective sweep" of
>the house if [Note the condition folks] they suspect a
>dangerous third
>person is hidden there."
And here in Victoria, Australia, we are kicking up a fuss about police
being able to finger print suspects and about them being able to demand your
name on the spot in the street regardless of whether you are engaged in an
illegal activity or not. Boy, I thought we were a police state!! Good luck.
>I was floored by this. It means that if the police can get
>into your
>house under some legitimate sounding pretext they can search
>your house,
>your private property, merely because they suspect that there
>is a
Police over here (in Victoria) do not even have to have any thing typed on
the search warrant that they produce when about to make a
search-and-seizure. All it has to have on it is "COPY OF .... ".
>Then there is the bit about not needing a search warrant to search, and
>presumably seize, the private property of non-citizens outside our
>borders. What if we sent one of our overseas affiliates and
>friends some information we obtain on UFOs and government cover-up that
>Uncle doesn't want made public? Can they go into our friends home
>and search and seize the documents pertaining to that information and
>anything else they want?
I can't see how they could do this. If it is against the law in that
country then they cannot flout that law. For example, if they came to
Australia, they would be allowed co-operation from our local law-enforcement
teams but would have no jurisdiction. They would not, unless exempted, be
able to carry a hand-pistol or other firearm while doing their job over
here. They would not be able to make an arrest and would not be able to
accompany police when they do a search without going through the court
system here.
Still, it is all a rather strange situation. The continual violation of our
rights in order to protect them is becoming much more than a joke.
Recently, over here, the police were accused of shooting "in cold blood" a
well known bank robber who (I think) had just committed a bank robbery which
involved the shooting of a security guard (D.O.A.). Later, "friends" decided
to get the cops back, so they set up the police by "pretending" to be
stealing a car; when police were called, they ambushed them and shot both
of the policeman DEAD. Violence begets violence, does it not?!
Sorry, but this is really in the wrong echo-area but I just had to say my
piece.
Regards,
M.Jose
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From: paranet!f7.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Vladimir.Godic.
Subject: "OZTRAIN" tracked down
Date: 16 Mar 90 04:07:00 GMT
According to a report on ParaNet, sourced from the Melbourne "Truth"
(newspaper), the crew of a passanger train west bound for Kalgoorlie,
Western Australia, reported an unusual observation, which included
smoke "blacking out passanger windows" and causing the train driver to
cough. Driver Lou Beccarelli was interviewed by Keith Basterfield on
March 14 and stated he was driving the train 14km east of Zanthus, WA,
at the time. He initally saw a pencil-shaped light in the western sky
which appeared to come over the horizon and approached the train. It
grew in size and appeared to be a series of lights with a white trail
behind them. It passed to the north of the train. At closest approach
it was visible as a line of six white lights with a white "smoke" trail
behind it. It was completely silent. Lou had enough time to walk over
to the right hand window of the driver's cabin, and rolled down the
window for a better view. He also had time to call on the two way
radio to the guard. Lou lost the object to sight when it continued to
travel eastwards behind him. The total duration, according to Lou, was
about a minute but the white "smoke" hung in the sky for about twenty
minutes altogether. Lou said that Greg, the guard, said it "just
disappeared" i.e. did not go over the eastern horizon.
Lou radioded Rawlinna, some 180km to the east but no-one there saw it.
Later he heard that it was seen from: - a) 80km north of Kalgoorlie, some
200km to the west of his position, and b) at Merredin, some 550km west
of Lou. It was visible from all these locations at approximately
2100hrs. Same visual description, and again no sound.
Keith asked Lou if the "smoke" made him cough or covered passanger
windows as stated in the ParaNet item. He said this was completely
untrue. There had been no interaction between the object and the train
or crew.
In view of the data uncovered it would appear that the object was some
distance from the train, and high up. As in other report of this
nature, the indications are that it was a bright meteor entering the
atmosphere.
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From: paranet!f3.n1031.z9.FIDONET.ORG!David.Seikel
Subject: Re: Lazar/Area51
Date: 17 Mar 90 23:25:00 GMT
I know that this is old, but I only just got around to reading this area.
HS > SG> economy is based on the belief in a Judeo/Christian (sp?) god.
HS >
HS > Bullshit! Our whole system is based on no religion,
HS > or more properly, the right to believe, or NOT, as we
HS > individually please.
HS > And a Merry Xmas to you and also a Happy New Year.
Our economy is based on the money religion. No time left, I'll explain
later.
the DVS one
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 16 Mar 90 21:34:00 GMT
I'm suprized you're suprized. Bud Hopkins has made no secret of the
fact that he pretty much hand selects his cases from the many hundreds
that seek salvation at his feet.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Signals Leaving Earth; Book Publisher?
Date: 16 Mar 90 21:38:00 GMT
Carlos Allende aka Carl Allen who also showed up at APRO and said it
was all a hoax and later said his admission was not true that it wasn't
a hoax. All in all a fellow one would obviously believe to be
truthful!
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Gulf Breeze
Date: 16 Mar 90 23:32:00 GMT
> From: Craig Cholar <3432P@navpgs.bitnet>
>
> awhile back. The picture in question showed a disc shaped object
> with
> sloping sides, similiar in shape to the Jupiter II in the old
> 'Lost in
> Space' series.
You know, I just watched "A Current Affair," and saw that photo for the
first time ever. (I watched Unsolved Mysteries, but didn't notice that
photo). I wonder where the heck it's been. That's not one that was
published in the MUFON Journal. Do you think you could snap a Polaroid
of your living room light and send it to me? Or better yet, send it to
Bruce Maccabee. I can provide you the address in netmail.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Richard Murray & Congressional Amnesty
Date: 17 Mar 90 05:44:00 GMT
Ed:
I really fail to see the appropriateness of the side issues that Murray
raises in his package. Don't you think raising such issues to Congress
simultaneously with the UFO issue does MUCH more harm than good?
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Gulf Breeze and national media; Alternative-3 video tape
Date: 17 Mar 90 05:51:00 GMT
> and Walters' book, though.) At any rate, I would like to know how
> much *national* TV, radio, magazine, and newspaper coverage these
> sightings
> have gotten. I know about the KNBC LA TV show, and the shlockily
> (<- is
> that a word?) produced UFO Coverup: Live! show. Does anybody know
> about
> other national exposure for Gulf Breeze? Please be as specific as
> you
> can. Thanks much.
"A Current Affair" just featured it today. Maury Povitch's comments
(after shaking his head) were, "The funny thing is, he seemed sane! And
I think I actually like the guy. Too bad I just can't believe him."
>
> A UFO researcher friend wants to know how he can get a copy of the
> video
> tape of the British produced Alternative-3 show. He has seen this
> on TV, I think. Also, I seem to recall that one of the authors
> Leslie or
> Watkins "confessed" that this show was a hoax. Does anyone know
> more
> about this. Thanks again.
>
The way I understand it, there was never any intent to hoax. It was done
as fiction from the git-go, but the producers wanted to throw in the
hint that it was "faction", ie, done as fiction only to protect
real-life participants. (Remember the first "Night Stalker" movie?) This
approach is a sure-fire way to get a movie talked about.
This is the way it was explained to me, anyway.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Signals Leaving Earth; Book Publisher?
Date: 17 Mar 90 05:53:00 GMT
> ... would the name be the Saucerian Press, perchance? They were
> highly regarded and published some real apocrypha, including the
> annotated material on the Philadelphia Experiment (annotated by
> the nut whose name escapes me at the moment -- the character who
> talked to Jim & Coral Lorentzen, et al).
Carlos Allende.
>
> I don't know if they're still in operation. Last I heard of
> Saucerian Press was in 1978 or thereabouts...
Saucerian was Gray Barker's outlet, I think. If I'm right, then no, it
died with Barker about 3 years ago.
Jim
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From: paranet!John.Komar
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR A BOOK
Date: 17 Mar 90 02:23:56 GMT
In a message to John Komar <03-06-90 15:58> Phil Imbrogno wrote:
PI=>JOHN THANKS FOR RESPONDING, KEEP IN TOUCH
I'm glad you said that, Phil. [Grin]
MUFON is updating their slide show presentation of about 50 slides at present.
Dan Wright and I are handling the project.
If you have anything of interest, I would appreciate borrowing it for copying,
as we need first-generation slides/negatives.
Regards, John
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From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: Re: Message From Sally Sheridan
Date: 17 Mar 90 02:26:39 GMT
That was a very interesting report and there might just be something to it.
...Bryon
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From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks
Subject: Gulf Breeze photos
Date: 18 Mar 90 00:09:00 GMT
I finished the Gulf Breeze Sightings book a couple of nights ago and
let the info ferment for a little while. Once again I'm reminded that
I should read all the info available before I open my big mouth, but
the gist of what I've said in previous messages is still valid.
A few more observations......
Three cameras were used for the photos. We're specifically told
about the Nimslo and the Polaroid Model 600; however, the camera used
for the first series is just an "old Polaroid." I consider that detail
odd in that the Polaroid pack cameras had the model number stamped in
big letters on the front of the cover *and* on the front of the
camera itself. Walters even tells us he used Type 108 film in the pack
camera.
Why was any mention of the model of the first Polaroid camera used
omitted?
The model number of the Polaroid pack camera leads to something else
to investigate.
First, the model number of the first Polaroid used by Walters should
be determined. Then, two other details should be determined.
What is the shutter speed used when a flash is used, and what is the
longest shutter speed the camera can use.
It appears from a study of the photos in the book that the camera
sets a somewhat longer shutter speed when the flash is not used than
when the flash is used. That is, the photos taken with the flash are
darker than the photos taken without the flash. The flash itself
wouldn't have any effect on the exposure in that the object would have
been too far away. Since the flash photos are darker, that tells me
the camera used a faster shutter speed for the flash pictures than the
non-flash pictures.
The big question is what shutter speed was used for the non-flash
pictures.
Of the Polaroid pack cameras of that vintage, one model has a
manually-set shutter, but one would have to have some photography
knowlege to use it. I think we can exclude that model unless we are
told otherwise. Also, it was somewhat more expensive than the other
models.
I think the camera used was one of the models which automatically
set the shutter speed, aperture, or both.
Now, the nitty-gritty part.
*If* the camera sets the shutter speed, and the meter saw all that
night sky, it would set the longest shutter speed it could. It would
not selectively 'see' the object. The meter would see the entire
frame, which is mostly dark sky.
* What that longest shutter speed is determines whether the pictures
could possibly have been taken as described. *
For example, if the longest speed is, say, 1/30, it's indeed
possible that the pictures could have been taken as described.
If the shutter speed was, say, one second, Ed Walters would have had
to have been steadier than any news photographer (or marksman) that I
have ever met. And he would have had to do it 18 times, consistently.
He would have had to do it while, he said, he was being pursued by an
object which was shooting blue beams at him.
And if I was investigating the pictures, I'd have him shoot quite a
few at a verifiable one-second shutter speed setting. * They'd have to
be just as sharp as his UFO pictures. *
If the camera's longest shutter speed is more than one second, it
would be impossible for the pictures to have been taken as described.
In photo six in the book we see the object in the vicinity of a
utility pole; presumably the object is farther away than the pole.
A close examination of the object reveals that it's tack-sharp.
However, a close examination of the light on the utility pole and the
power lines reveals that the camera moved during the exposure. The
light is an oblong blur which shows that the camera moved to the upper
left, and the power lines are thick blurs which indicate an upward
motion.
I don't believe Walters panned the camera to follow the object,
because I think we'd see much more blurring of the utility pole and
lines. I think he was trying to hold the camera still.
So we have a very sharp image of a UFO in a frame which has a
blurred image of a utility pole, light and lines caused apparently by
camera motion. Think about that.
Photo 24 shows Frances Walters almost getting zapped by the blue
beam. Isn't it amazing that Ed Walters had the camera prefocused on
the spot she was going to come in the door so the picture wouldn't be
blurry? Right?
I find it interesting that Walters couldn't get a shot of the same
object with the Nimslo, and then the MUFON folks didn't reload the
camera and give it back to him. Those two items are rather curious.
The later photos were all shot with Polaroid 600 cameras with flash,
and presumably the cameras automatically set a hand-holdable shutter
speed when the flash is turned on.
I presume "Jane" and "Believer Bill" are still anonymous. The only
other people who got pictures of the object are anonymous.
One thing I noticed in reference to MUFON's knowlege of photography
in general is really pointed out by the gear used by the stakeout man.
He supposedly used an ISO 200 film and a 70-210 f3.5 zoom lens.
Why ISO 200 film when ISO 1600 and 3200 color film was available
then? Why a slow zoom lens? You can go shark fishing with a five-pound
test line, but your chances of getting one in the boat are mighty
slim.
Dr. Maccabee may be a very good photointerpreter, but I sure didn't
see any evidence that anyone with any really solid photographic
experience was involved in the investigation. I'm talking taking
pictures, not analysing them later.
I personally believe the photos have been faked.
It would take quite a bit of photography and darkroom experience to
do it, but it could be done.
I believe that people did see a UFO in Gulf Breeze, and Walters may
indeed have seen it and even had the experiences he described in his
book. However, I don't believe he took pictures of it.
My mind is still open on the matter.
True or not, the book is an extremely good read.
As an aside, I live about 400 miles from Gulf Breeze and I could
conceivably make a beeline there if everyone starts seeing UFOs again.
I just usually find out about these things long after the fact.
I have the gear and experience to confidently say that if I can see
it, and it hangs around just long enough, I can photograph it.
jbh
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From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jerry.Woody
Subject: Strange flash of light
Date: 18 Mar 90 06:40:00 GMT
On March 17th around 9:40 CST my father and I observed an intense flash of
yellow and white light. It lasted only a split second and lit up the entire
surrounding sky. It happened so fast I wasn't sure if I did indeed see it
but my father commented on it moments later and it indeed happened. It
seemed to not only light up the sky but bath the surrounding area in the
yellow/white light. My only explanation could be that the booster rockets
from the failed communications satellite launch this week were re-entering
the atmosphere. Does anyone have any information on this?
Jerry
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From: paranet!f204.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Kurt.Lochner
Subject: School?
Date: 18 Mar 90 07:07:00 GMT
SB No at the present moment I am not attending college, have
SB checked several of them and critera out and at the present
SB time they offer nothing for me.
SB Interests are in space-age technology and development.
Maybe I could interest you in returning to school/college for a
physics degree. The pay isn't much, but the answers that you might
find eventually would be worth the effort. Worked for me.....
I wish that I lived out in the country so that I could heed the call
of my wandering thoughts as I stare at the face of Infinity.
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