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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 152
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 152
Thursday, February 15th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: Videotapes
Skeptics
Cows
Cold Fusion/antigravity
Circles - News From Ufora
Krill files..
"LA", Reich, & Alabama comments
Bush and CIA
UFO crash rate question
Replies Mutilations
Krill files..
Re: Skepticism And Science
Re: 1940's Crash In La.
CIRCLES
Strange Rings in Britain
Cold Fusion/antigravity
Krill files..
"LA", Reich, & Alabama comments
UFO crash rate question
Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?)
Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?)
Re: New Affiliates
Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?)
Re: 1940's Crash In La.
Re: Skeptics
Cows
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Re: Videotapes
Date: 14 Feb 90 08:11:00 GMT
> I know the feeling. Ahem, can I ask what tapes you
> are referring to??
The Robert Lazar/KLAS tape of the broadcast in November in Las
Vegas, Nevada.
Mike
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Skeptics
Date: 14 Feb 90 08:15:00 GMT
> Here is a puzzle for our American Paranet users only -
> Is there a Tasmanian Devil?
> First correct answer from an American user gets an all-
> expenses paid
> trip to Alpha Centauri (wherever that is).
Where are my damn encyclopedias when I need them? -:)
Yes, there is Tasmanian Devil. I don't recall its genus exactly,
but...
Now, about that trip to Alpha Centauri.....
Mike
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Cows
Date: 14 Feb 90 08:17:00 GMT
> One thing puzzles me about all the cattle mutilation
> messages on Paranet.
> They all seem to happen in the USA only. I've never
> heard of them
> happening in Europe or Australia.
I will get the files out and let you know about this one, however
I do know that mutilations have occurred in Canada and some
European countries. More to follow.
Mike
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Cold Fusion/antigravity
Date: 14 Feb 90 08:20:00 GMT
> I don't like to say this, but you addressed your last
> message to someone called INFOPARA@SCICOM.ALPHACDC.COM.
> I thought Tasmanians abused the English language, but
> are you in communication with an alien or something?
The addressing that you refer to is the addressing utilized by
the UUCP network. This network has expanded the coverage of
ParaNet tremendously and places us at the desks of some of the
the finest researchers and scientific minds around. The
strangeness of the address is due to the type of addressing that
is necessary to get messages between domains. This is the fault
of the software and as time goes, it will improve to the point
that you will be able to reply to the author of a UUCP message
directly without the cryptic encoding.
Mike
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Circles - News From Ufora
Date: 14 Feb 90 08:22:00 GMT
Great report, Vladimir! Our appreciation to Bill and Keith too.
Mike
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From: paranet!Don.Allen
Subject: Krill files..
Date: 12 Feb 90 08:08:00 GMT
Hello folks,
The other day I came across some older files from various UFO sources,
some were from the long defunct "Starport" board up in Conn and others.
I happenned to run across this batch from a guy called O. H. Krill
who had written a 4 part series (about 100k or so). The files are dated
around 1987 or 1988. There were several references to John Keel in them
and thy were written in the vein of John Lear "by the time that the
public sees the UFO's land..it will be too late as the Greys will have
long ago taken over" etc,etc.
Can anyone enlighten me as to who Mr. Krill is and what kind of
research record that he has?
Same for John Keel (I seem to see his name pop up once in awhile).
I can only assume (I hate that word) that the Krill files have long
ago been discussed here and I would like to know the consensus of them.
On another note, I don't know whether it's my perception of
synchronicity or just my latent paranoia kicking in but I do find
it odd that Mr Bush is taking his drug battle to Columbia and I
just read in Mr Krill's report (ok,so I'm late in reading it) that
Bushis implicated in the drug running as the (then) CIA head
honcho..
I also read (but having a hard time swallowing) in Neal Wilgus's
book "The Illuminoids" of the various UFO scenarios involving
the SS/Nazi's and the transfer of General Gehlen (head of Nazi
Intelligence) to the US and the involvements of the Council on
Foreign Relations and the Bilderburg group with the post WWII
re-grouping of "intelligence" organizations; ie,the CIA and
later the NSA.
On the face of it,seems like there's some connections here,but
I don't know for sure. Does anyone have any info on this?
And why would the Govt go to all this trouble in the last 40 or
so years to cover up, even to the extent of creating the NSA
(as Krill claims) to be it's major arm in the suppression of
the existence of the UFO's AND at the same time; by LAW release
documents under the FOIA act that they must surely know will
point out the LIES that they have for so long been telling us?
What the hell is really going on here?
Has our *own* Govt sold us out to the Greys????
What kind of mockery is this when
Our Constitition isn't even valid against the wiles of the NSA?
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From: wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil (Will Martin)
Subject: "LA", Reich, & Alabama comments
Date: 14 Feb 90 15:21:23 GMT
Comments on the latest Paranet Digest:
"LA" as an abbreviation for "Louisiana" is far more *recent* than "the
late 40's" mentioned in the initial posted query. The two-letter state
abbreviations were a US Post Office invention imposed on the public
sometime around when ZIP codes were invented, and caused much comment,
resentment, and confusion at the time. I *think* that was in the '60s
but cannot recall for sure. Any reference to "LA" (with or without
periods, but with both letters capitalized) in the 1940's timeframe
would HAVE to be a city like Los Alamos or Los Angeles, as another
poster mentioned, or some other locale where those initials would
mean something -- perhaps a military base name? "Latin America" is also
possible, but is too vague a term to make much sense in the context.
******
"Wilhelm Reich" is "a household name" today? Perhaps in *your* house!
I know about him because of things I've read related to his
radio-related activities and medical weirdnesses, but I am fairly
certain my wife, who is a fairly well-read person, would not recognize
his name. As for being recognized generally, I sincerely doubt it. Given
the recent news reports on how poorly Americans do on recognizing
historical figures or geography, the only "household names" these days
are rock stars and people who have been in today's newspaper headlines!
******
Tying dogs to the corners of your house is supposed to prevent UFO
landings? What was the guy trying to keep away? Space mailmen?
Regards, Will Martin
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From: gross@dg-rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross)
Subject: Bush and CIA
Date: 14 Feb 90 18:22:04 GMT
-+From: isis!uunet!sparta!sun!root (Operator)
-+Subject: Richard Murray & Congressional Amnesty
Ed: interesting post. Don't take my response here as a negative one.
I found some of the information not quite correct and hope you don't
mind if I correct it here. Also, you seem to have access to information
that I haven't seen. Could you please quote your sources as
appropriate?
I was sick for a day so I was unable to get this off in a timely manner.
Sorry. 8-(
President Bush was head of the CIA in the 1970s. The CIA was formed in
1947 using personnel from OSS, the WWII spooks and sabateurs. Prior to
that time, foriegn intelligence was gathered by a variety of groups, but
there wasn't a single intelligence agency in the United States.
Additional OSS assets were used in forming the early Special Forces
groups. This OSS link caused the Special Forces to have a unique
relationship with the CIA. The Mr. Bush you might be thinking of is a
Mr. V. Bush. I think he did in fact take over as head of CIA from
"Wild" Bill Donnovan. Bill was the head of OSS and the first head of
CIA. CIA was Bill's child.
The use of drug money to finance CIA operations has long been a subject
of rumor and circumstantial evidence. I say this because so far no one
has been able to offer evidence concrete enough to bring about
Congressional action. I know several people who have been trying to
piece togather all the pieces to present a sufficient case to Congress
that would initiate a Congressional investigation. But as with most
things of this nature involving the CIA, there is no real trail of
written orders to follow. It often looks like rogue agents are off
doing their own thing to line their own pockets using Company contacts.
Neat cover for "sanctioned" ops.
As for NSA confirming any of this, personally I have to take what the
NSA says with a grain of salt. Same with any of the intelligence
groups, CIA, DIA, ONI, etc. They have an aggenda all their own and
respect for American citizens is not on the aggenda.
For more info, I recommend folks read the article written by Jenny
Randles called "Government Cover-up and Conspiracy" in the book
_Phenomenon_Forty_Years_of_Flying_Saucers_. She does a good job of
looking at government cover-ups. One thing that I found extremely
interesting is her information on the NSA. Check it out.
Again, Ed, thanks for an interesting post.
Gene
gross@dg-rtp.dg.com
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From: GARY@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (Gary Knight)
Subject: UFO crash rate question
Date: 14 Feb 90 22:06:12 GMT
As a new participant on ParaNet, I'd like to pose a series of
questions related to my two main interests: (1) UFOs, and (2) neurological
bases for paranormal phenomena. Let me start with UFOs. I tend (60-40)
to suspect that there do exist non-Earth origin intelligences (and their
artificats) interacting with us, so don't think of me as a died-in-the-wool
skeptic. I just get bothered from time to time by problems I can't figure
out on my own. For example, a while back I became troubled by the
argument that the U.S. Government is incapable of keeping anything secret
for longer than 6 or 7 nanoseconds, therefore a 40-year coverup of UFO
activity is highly unlikely -- but then I got enough feedback on that one to
see it is an inadequate argument against on-going interaction with alien
intelligence. So here's my first question:
UFO 1. A number of UFO investigators, most particularly Leonard
Stringfield, have focused on crashed discs of presumed extraterrestrial
origin, and their retrieval. There are rumored cases as early as the 1930's,
but the better documented crash/retrievals stem from 1947. Leaving aside
for the moment the fascinating stories associated with these retrieved
alien artifacts (and, on occasion, their occupants), the question that occurs
to me is why are there so many UFO crashes, continuing even to the present
day? Don't these little fellers know how to fly their gadgets?! What, no
Chuck Yeagers or Alan Shepards or Neil Armstrongs up there?
Taking the most short-term view -- that flying discs first
appeared in the mid-1940's -- and granting that there are problems
associated with flying in a new environment, still you'd think that after 40
years they'd get a grip on things! But, no, they continue to fly right into the
ground with amazing frequency (and disastrous results for the occupants),
at a higher rate, perhaps, than for our own commercial aircraft!! And in the
long-term view -- that they've been around anywhere from a few thousand
to a few million years -- you'd think they'd have the crash rate down to
near zero by now.
But still, they keep running them into the ground. The skeptical
explanation, of course, is that the rate has to be kept reasonably high to
satisfy the faithful with enough material to keep the UFO issue alive (after
all, where would the UFO community be if the discs just disappeared one
day?). (-: (-: What I'm looking for is a rational explanation for the high
crash rate. Like maybe they aren't crashing, maybe we're shooting them
down? Or maybe Earth has some kind of terrible gravitational anomaly that
makes their method of propulsion a combat pay proposition? Or maybe
there are zillions of them flying around constantly and the crash rate is
actually very low in terms of passenger miles travelled? Or what? Anyone
have a good explanation?
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From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)
Subject: Replies
Date: 14 Feb 90 22:06:55 GMT
The access from Houston to my UNIX account has been out since sunday
so I'm behind in answering my mail Sorry.
Gene: There is a long history of association betwen science and music
and individual scientists and music. Pythagoras was perhaps the
first number theorist in the West and the first "Harmonist,"
or music theorist. Musical tuning rules go back to Sumeria; a
tablet dated about 1850 BCE has an erotic song/ hymn to a fertility
goddess in a recognizably major scale. Whether China discovered
the cycle of fifths indedendently of th Near East in unknown;
their legends say they got their tuning from the land of the
Tocharians in the west. Early greek geometry was to some extent
inspired by musical considerations and vice-versa.
Thanks for the SF references; I know Benford
slightly from Grad school at UCSD and SF conferences. Jack
Vance is probably my favorite author stylistically. Others
that I enjoy include L.Sprague DeCamp, Poul Anderson,
and Vonda MacIntyre who is an old friend from the U of
Washington genetics Dept.
Jim: Idiots savants and other similarly "unbalanced"
mentalities may achieve what they do in part because
they can focus what ability they have without distraction.
A pathologist friend of mine in Houston has a distant relative
who is a self-supporting artist, though severely retarded
in the usual sense. Fascinating.
Don: The only reports I have seen on Brazilian Mg
samples are those in the Condon report. The metal was
described as being very pure and showing signs of
having cooled from a melt as it had large, needle-like
crystals and no evidence of working (cold flow lines, etc.).
The major anomaly reported was its composition; it contained
more strontium than was usual in alloys at that time. The
Hg could be plausibly explained by contamination from
a vacuum pump if it had been melted under vacuum to prevent
its ignition in the air. The main problem with this sample
was that its origin was unknown.
I believe that oriented particles of ceramic
phases are at not all unusual in new alloys. Many can be
produced by precipitation in the alloy and then oriented
by drawing. We need a metallurgist or an engineer knowledgeable
about advanced compostites and alloys to answer this question.
Materials science is undergoing a renaissance at the moment, but
alas, the US is in poor shape to capitalize on it because of our
shortage of engineers and scientists. For one thing, immigration
policy makes it very difficult for trained people to work in the
US, while uneducated family members etc. get in easily.
This makes no sense to me and is another form of unilateral
technological "disarmament."
Jim: The only reason I can think that a judge ordered Reich's
personal notes to be destroyed is that we have become a nation
of lawyers, not laws (or men) whatever the constitution may say.
I'd be for an amendment barring lawyers from serving in Legislatures
or moving directly from government service to private practice.
There is a built in conflict of interest here. Either that or
make ignorance of the law a reasonable excuse and/or legal
education not only a constitutional right, but a duty.
Clarke?: Many iron meteorites show rectangular grid-like
patterns when they are etched. Sometimes they even look
like city plans. I think they are called "Willstaetten
Figures (sp?)" (I don't have a dictionary handy).
--John
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From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
Subject: Mutilations
Date: 14 Feb 90 16:15:00 GMT
John:
In reference to your message concerning animal mutilations:
> One thing puzzles me about all the cattle mutilation
> messages on Paranet. > They all seem to happen in the USA only. I've
never
> heard of them
> happening in Europe or Australia.
> Regards
The mystery of animal mutilations is a world wide one. Reports
have come into UFO researchers from all over North and South
America, England, Europe, Australia, and most recently Japan.
One of the premier mutilation reseachers here in the US is Ms.
Linda M. Howe. This past year she has released a new book
detailing the mutilation mystery; An Alien Harvest. An
excellent read, and if you are interested, let me know. I will
be more than happy to give you the information I have.
Mutilations is where I have centered my research.
Regards:
Don
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From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
Subject: Krill files..
Date: 14 Feb 90 16:23:00 GMT
Don:
The Krill files were conceived and written by a shadowy UFO
researcher in Nv. by the name of John Grace. Grace and John
Lear in fact do know each other, and back in 1987 when I first
met John Lear, and he gave the the package of documents that
included his research and conclusions, the Krill documents were
included.
There is most certainly a strong element of paranoia through-out
this entire subject, and until such time as one silvery disk
lands in the middle of Pittsburgh or Denver, we all probably
will still be guessing.
Don
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From: paranet!f1.n301.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Reuben.Michaels
Subject: Re: Skepticism And Science
Date: 14 Feb 90 05:58:18 GMT
I have done some research on the "cloudbuster" and there is no use of any
radioactive substances. There is "danger" in the operation of any of these
devices that use "orgonomy" or "orgone power". There are strange effects
that can be obtained that apparently go against the laws of physics as we
know them. Much like all the fuss about Pons and Fleishman.
***Best, Reuben***
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: 1940's Crash In La.
Date: 13 Feb 90 06:42:00 GMT
> Hi Winston. If you pick up a copy of "Clear Intent", you'll see
> -- along with Hoover's actual memos and longhand postscript on the
> "crashed disk" -- that the actual incident that caused the memo
> was a hoax. Apparently the object was a pie pan and Hoover's
> concern was that it was planted by Commie agents provocateur to
> cause panic.
I didn't know that! I suspected it, though, because I remember a
photograph of a policeman holding up a little flying saucer model, and I
thought I remembered it being in Los Angeles - "LA". Is that the one?
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: CIRCLES
Date: 13 Feb 90 21:25:00 GMT
Very interesting, Vlad!
The circles in England seem to be a tad more mysterious than the
"Kangaroo" circles, but something tells me its a monstrous hoax. Call it
intuition, and the way demented minds think alike....in other words, if
I could get away with something like that for 10 years, I'd do it too!
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Strange Rings in Britain
Date: 13 Feb 90 21:27:00 GMT
> ` Much of Britain is covered in recent sediments. Old structures
> are being dug up all the time, some of them not so old either. In
> the case of the rings, an underground structure would leave a
> surface trace, caused by factors such as water drainage around the
> structure, and the possibility that the materials around the
> structure may be different (eg. clay) to that in the general
> vicinity.
> The easiest way to solve the `mystery' would be to dig one up
> Regards
That would not explain how the circles appear literally overnight,
however, or why they went unnoticed for centuries. Still, digging down a
few feet might show something.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Cold Fusion/antigravity
Date: 13 Feb 90 21:35:00 GMT
> I don't like to say this, but you addressed your last message to
> someone called INFOPARA@SCICOM.ALPHACDC.COM.
> I thought Tasmanians abused the English language, but are you
> in communication with an alien or something?
Yes, I am, (of the illegal variety) but that is a UNIX address, which
allows us to interface with another network that has a very complicated
addressing system. I don't understand it either, all I know is, when I
respond to that address, people who sign with English names do seem to
receive what I've said.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Krill files..
Date: 15 Feb 90 04:53:00 GMT
> Can anyone enlighten me as to who Mr. Krill is and what kind of
> research record that he has?
"Mr. Krill", also known as Val Valerian, is really a retired Air Force
Sergeant named John Grace of Las Vegas, NV. He runs the Nevada Aerial
Research Group. His research record, as far as I know, is non-existent.
He compiled the Krill paper, and "The Matrix", largely from existing
works such as the Lear paper, Steinman's "UFO Crash at Aztec", and miscellaneous
blather from the Wendelle Stevens crowd. He is a conspiracy monger par
excellence. Believes the present Pope is an imposter.
>
> Same for John Keel (I seem to see his name pop up once in awhile).
One of the most accomplished and fascinating writers in the field. A
conspiracy monger also, but very entertaining. Is largely credited with
spreading the word about the "MIBs". Works include "The Mothman
Prophecies," "Disneyland of the Gods."
>
> I can only assume (I hate that word) that the Krill files have
> long
> ago been discussed here and I would like to know the consensus of
> them.
Bunk. (My opinion; void where prohibited, other opinions may vary).
> And why would the Govt go to all this trouble in the last 40 or
> so years to cover up, even to the extent of creating the NSA
> (as Krill claims) to be it's major arm in the suppression of
> the existence of the UFO's AND at the same time; by LAW release
> documents under the FOIA act that they must surely know will
> point out the LIES that they have for so long been telling us?
>
> What the hell is really going on here?
>
> Has our *own* Govt sold us out to the Greys????
If the Krill paper is bunk as I claim, then it makes a little more
sense, doesn't it? Could be that the government does have SOME
knowledge, but its so well-hidden and highly classified that those in
charge of promulgating FOIA and downgrading policies don't even know
about it. Or, it could be a "hide in plain sight" proposition.
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: "LA", Reich, & Alabama comments
Date: 15 Feb 90 04:59:00 GMT
> "LA" as an abbreviation for "Louisiana" is far more *recent* than
> "the
> late 40's" mentioned in the initial posted query. The two-letter
> state
> abbreviations were a US Post Office invention
Beautiful point! I'd forgotten about that. BUT...the old abbreviation
for Louisiana WAS "La."
>
> ******
>
> "Wilhelm Reich" is "a household name" today? Perhaps in *your*
> house!
<sigh> I guess I'm living in the wrong household. I meant that he is a
recognized name among alternate science freaks, up there with Tesla and
Joe Newman.
> the only "household names" these
> days
> are rock stars and people who have been in today's newspaper
> headlines!
Too true, Will.
> Tying dogs to the corners of your house is supposed to prevent UFO
> landings? What was the guy trying to keep away? Space mailmen?
Ha!
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: UFO crash rate question
Date: 15 Feb 90 05:11:00 GMT
> UFO 1. A number of UFO investigators, most particularly
> Leonard
> Stringfield, have focused on crashed discs of presumed
> extraterrestrial
> origin, and their retrieval. There are rumored cases as early as
> the 1930's,
> but the better documented crash/retrievals stem from 1947.
> Leaving aside
> for the moment the fascinating stories associated with these
> retrieved
> alien artifacts (and, on occasion, their occupants), the question
> that occurs
> to me is why are there so many UFO crashes, continuing even to the
> present
> day? Don't these little fellers know how to fly their gadgets?!
Its a good question, and one I wondered about for a while, till I made
contact with some of the people doing investigations of this sort. The
answer is that they DON'T crash that often, and no one seriously
suspects that they do. The reason the stories are put forth is that all
we HAVE are stories. We have no proof. When we are told that anecdotal
evidence is worthless, we try to present photographs. But we're told
those can be faked, and so we are left with trying to gather the best
proof of all: a piece of a flying saucer. As you can see from
Stringfield's work, there is no shortage of crashed saucer stories. They
are all followed up as best as can be, out of hopes that ONE of them
might be legitimate. The best candidate right now seems to be Roswell,
but its in the back of most researchers' minds that that seemingly
golden case, and many others, might just have been planted as red
herrings. We're like the gunfighter in the fun house - shooting at all
the mirrors.
Jim
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin
Subject: Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?)
Date: 14 Feb 90 13:12:00 GMT
There is much more to Fyffe than Gulf Breeze, but Fyffe doesn't have
anyone wishing for attention. Also the new craft has shown up. It looks
like a supersonic bomber, but it flies with the nose straight upand
broadside to the direction of travel. It can hover or move in any
direction with no noise. colors are white, orange, and blue.
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?)
Date: 14 Feb 90 17:07:00 GMT
In a message to Bryon Smith <02-14-90 06:12> Ray Griffin wrote:
RG> There is much more to Fyffe than Gulf Breeze, but Fyffe
RG> doesn't have anyone wishing for attention. Also the new
RG> craft has shown up. It looks like a supersonic bomber, but
RG> it flies with the nose straight upand broadside to the
RG> direction of travel. It can hover or move in any direction
RG> with no noise. colors are white, orange, and blue.
Sounds to me like that defies the laws of physics to me, is that what they
are trying to show us, that they can do things that we just can't do, and
can't even explain ?
...Bryon
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From: paranet!.123/21@f21.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Edward.Melville.@.123/21
Subject: Re: New Affiliates
Date: 14 Feb 90 19:59:34 GMT
> This is to welcome two new affiliates to the ParaNet family.
>
> ParaNet TAU-EPSILON
> Edward Melville
> Memphis, Tennessee
> 901-785-4943
>
> Please take a moment to introduce yourselves.
>
Anti Social Jerk who believes that dogs are human and human are dogs.
I chew beef jerkies for breakfast, and don't drink coffee due to the caffeine,
but love to drink cokes. My wife has three legs, and John Komar and I watch
Saturday Night Live with grass between out teeth.
Sorry, couldn't resist, Michael. evil grin.
I run a board, private, with about 100 selected users. Reason being, I can
watch, securely, my files being raped, and uploaded without a problem. I wanted
to become a part of Paranet due to the technological aspects, and true open
minded people where involved. I enjoy such conversations, I love to investigate
( sorta p.i myself ) and wish to be a part of an organization with which we can
discuss openly, without being brow beaten. grin.
Anyone wishing access to my board, just netmail your name and password, and
thou shalt get in, with full access. Most of my echoes, (60+) are not on the
backbone, and are carried independently. Keeps me out of politics.
Edward Melville
PO BOX 41612
Memphis, TN 38174. ( Incase you wanna write )
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin
Subject: Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?)
Date: 15 Feb 90 03:01:00 GMT
Well UFOs are called planes because people explain what they think is a
prosaic action with a slight twist of reality. So don't you think it
would be alarming to say you saw an aircraft do something that only a
UFO can do. Most people would believe that they saw an aircraft, but
that the government or military wouldn't admit. Now if this craft
appears to be an advanced bomber how would the sightings be explained
to the Russians. The Americans would have to say it was a UFO. or face
criticism. P.S. It has just been seen and it was identified as looking
like the space shuttle. Only sitting straight up and moving sideways.
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: 1940's Crash In La.
Date: 15 Feb 90 06:48:00 GMT
Hi Jim. Well, it's 1:50 a.m. & I just got home, so please bear with me
as I probably couldn't find the actual page in "Clear Intent" that has
the pie-pan expose and the Hoover memo. If memory serves, it's in
there, though.
Funny, I don't remember whether it was in Los Angeles or Louisiana,
either. Both "LAs". I'll check when I have a little free time.
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Skeptics
Date: 15 Feb 90 07:07:00 GMT
> Here is a puzzle for our American Paranet users only -
> Is there a Tasmanian Devil?
> First correct answer from an American user gets an
> all-expenses paid
> trip to Alpha Centauri (wherever that is).
I claim the prize!!!! There IS a Tasmanian Devil. It is the size of a
hamster and has the temperament of a puff adder.
When do we leave?
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Cows
Date: 15 Feb 90 07:15:00 GMT
> One thing puzzles me about all the cattle mutilation
> messages on Paranet.
> They all seem to happen in the USA only. I've never
> heard of them
> happening in Europe or Australia.
Ah-hah! There's actually a little mystery about Australian mutilations --
namely sheep mutilations. It was the subject (supposedly) of a silent, two-
or three-reel film about the time of the First World War.
The title was supposed to have been "The Haunted Bilabong". Linda Howe
referred to it in one of her posts on Cattle mutilations here in the U.S. I
thought about writing Kevin Brownlow about it at the London Film School but
never did. So, to my knowledge, it has never been resolved whether this
film is "art imitating life" from the turn of the century -- or whether the
film ever existed at all.
Have our Australian friends ever heard of this little movie?
Best,
Clark
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