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Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 153
Friday, February 16th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: Update-human Mutes
"LA", Reich, & Alabama comments
RE: 1940's crash in LA.
Lights in sky of MO & IL.
The Company picnic ;-)
THE MATRIX
Re: skepticism and science
Re: skepticism and science
Re: Skeptics and QM
Ufo Sighting Messages
Mercury drives
Re: skepticism and science
Russian UFOs
Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?)
Re: UFO crash rate question
S-P rating
Time travel inquiry
Leonard Stringfield inquiry
1940's Crash in La.
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Update-human Mutes
Date: 15 Feb 90 07:26:00 GMT
> The Satanic explanation was examined, and according to the
> reporting witness, did not hold water.
I wouldn't be too quick to discount it, Don. What communities were these
morturaries located in?
I've heard of corpse desecrations within a prestigious Manhattan funeral
parlor (no mutes, just organized desecrations & necrophiliac practices by a
"satanist" cult). And animal mutes by whackos in Westchester, Putnam,
Rockland, Fairfield, and Litchfield Counties are old news -- though they're
still happening regular as clockwork.
Probably better to talk about this in email, if you want to.
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!Linda.Murphy
Subject: "LA", Reich, & Alabama comments
Date: 15 Feb 90 15:27:37 GMT
To: Will Martin
> "LA" as an abbreviation for "Louisiana" is far more *recent* than "the
> late 40's" mentioned in the initial posted query. The two-letter state
> abbreviations were a US Post Office invention imposed on the public
From the CENTURY Dictionary
(C) 1933, 1934, by D. Appleton-Century Company
(C) 1927 by The Century Co.,
all countries subscribing to the Revised Bern Convention
Found in the Vol. III Suppliments "Abbreviations in Common Use"
La (no period) lanthanum
La. Louisiana
L.A. Law Agent
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It does appear that "La" is recognized prior to the 60's as a common
abbreviation, doesn't it? It also states (in the intro on this part of the
dictionary) that "Many of the abbreviations occur with variances in form,
especially with respect to the use of capital or small letters, hyphens and
periods. To simplify, the most COMMON form had been selected for entry here."
To use this part of the dictionary, the user of the dictionary is then
instructed to take the abbreviation, cross reference it, taking into
consideration the context in which it is used, (in other words, don't pay
attention to upper/lower case, and periods/hyphens) to find a match. Seems to
me, that the abbreviation for good ol' LA (Los Angeles) wasn't considered
common, back then (at least in the 30's). In the 1959 edition of the Miriam
Webster Dictionary that was popular in California middle and high schools, LA
still cannot be found for Los Angeles.
Two new additions were found, however, as a common abbreviation in 50's:
L.A. Library Assistant, Local Authorities
Dictionaries after the 50's (Webster and others) show LA as Los Angeles.
I think it isn't ignorance -- what a person knows and doesn't know. Just
interests. The above is just to correct something that is not correct, and to
let you know that even a simple statement dealing with the something as
trivial as abbreviations, if it is important, is thoroughly researched.
( 1:304/1)
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From: paranet!f1.n301.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Winston.Mccain
Subject: RE: 1940's crash in LA.
Date: 15 Feb 90 18:13:39 GMT
Thank you for the info on the LA crash. I found one copy of the memo. It
has a period after the letter A as in LA. One would have to review other
material from Hoover to know for sure. Thanks again.
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Winston.Mccain
Subject: Lights in sky of MO & IL.
Date: 15 Feb 90 18:21:16 GMT
The Louisiana Press-Journal of Louisiana, MO reported on Feb 7th 1990 of
the return of Lights in the sky around the Pike County MO. area. Someone
close to this site may wish to check more into this. Pike Co. is
bordered with Pike County, IL were lights were also reported by the Pike
Press in Pittsfield, IL last year.
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From: gross@dg-rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross)
Subject: The Company picnic ;-)
Date: 16 Feb 90 00:29:27 GMT
-+From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
-+Subject: Re: The Co. & Drugs
Don:
-+ As you are undoubtedly aware, the Company and Special Forces, in
-+ order to secure the loyalty of the indigenous Hill Tribesmen in
-+ Viet Nam, Laos, and Cambodia, purchased their major cash crop
-+ during the war years: opium.
I'm well aware of this, but I figure it doesn't hurt to repeat it
periodically. ;-) However, the Company folks seemed very concerned that
the control over the cash crops be retained by them. Any suggestion of
dumping the stuff into a fire was not well received.
However, despite the fact that you and I, and others, know about this,
there exists no solid evidence that can be taken to court. I don't
recall any written orders from the "Joe College" crowd, do you?
Also, I don't want to leave a negative impression. We, Special Forces,
did far more than purchase their cash crop to gain their loyalty.
-+
-+ anyone can tell you, the Company has always made a habit and a
-+ virtue out of "doing what has to be done". My big question has
-+ always been just what did they do with the raw opium after they
-+ bought it. Did they recoup their investiment? Silly question.
You are well aware of the "black budgets" and other funding methods.
The Congress would have a fit if it ever really figured out how much
money filters through the Company, especially from the sale of drugs.
You are correct that the Company will do whatever is necessary to get
the job done. Remember Babylon and some of their other wonderful
operations. There seems to be a real "Country Club" what with the
wonderful spooks from the Company, NSA, DIA, ONI, and others. Their
mindset is such that even the Prince could get better advice elsewhere.
That's personal opinion.
Re: intelligence operations involving UFOs. The Company isn't the only
outfit involved. This shouldn't be a big surprise to anyone on the net
reading this. But it will come a surprise to others who thought the
Condon Report ended any official interest in UFOs. I also find it
amusing that they would even try to cover-up their interest. Reminds me
of the way they tried to deny that they were interested in psychic
abilities--telepathy, etc.
Something that struck me again last night was the fact that government
cover-up isn't just a claim. Government documents from several nations
prove that they are hiding something. What is a good question. I'm not
so sure that we have the whole story. I don't buy, personally, the idea
that there is some sort of treaty between the government and some ETs.
Do they have a crashed saucer or so? I think that there is good reason
to think that they might well have such.
There is an old proverb that goes, "there is nothing new under the sun."
Guess all of this just proves that adage. ;-)
Here's to it, and Halo, Don,
Gene
gross@dg-rtp.dg.com
Keep your eyes on the stars but your feet firmly on the ground. ;-)
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From: gmz@well.sf.ca.us (Gerry Zeitlin)
Subject: THE MATRIX
Date: 16 Feb 90 00:30:25 GMT
THE MATRIX, in reply to some queries, was published pseudonymously
under the name "Valdemar Valerian" in Las Vegas, July 1988. First
printing was 100 copies. A second and final printing of 100 occurred
3 months later.
The book was a compendium of the most lurid Lear-type stories. Contained
what was either the "Dulce papers" or a remembered sketch of the
contents of some of same.
Linda Howe did it much better in *Alien Harvest*.
A friend of mine met "Valdemar Valerian" and found him to be a most
unpleasant character.
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: skepticism and science
Date: 8 Feb 90 07:08:00 GMT
> + The lesson is simple. Reich's books were burned. Just like
> + books were burned in Nazi Germany.
>
Can we clear up this point? Were Reich's books burned or weren't they?
Keith says they were, John Chalmers implies they weren't. I think its
important to know.
Jim
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Reuben.Michaels
Subject: Re: skepticism and science
Date: 7 Feb 90 23:12:01 GMT
Wilhelm Reich was an interesting fellow, his machine called the
cloudbuster can make it rain sometimes. The only fellow in American
history to have his books and personal notes orderered to be destroyed by
a judge in California. His personal notes and diaries were destroyed. He
died in prison, a broken man, for having broken a Federal law when he
took an "orgone chamber" across the state line into Arizona.
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
Subject: Re: Skeptics and QM
Date: 10 Feb 90 05:02:53 GMT
In an article of <8 Feb 90 18:11:24 GMT>, Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com+ writes:
>The implicate interpenetrates us and we it, infinitely.
>
>If Bohm is correct, we are infinitely interpenetrated at all levels.
>Think about this for a few days and I can almost guarantee you a
>charlie-horse of the brain. ;-)
Actually I have been thinking about this all day and I got a copy of "In
Search of Schrodinger's Cat".
One aspect I find interesting about this infinite interpenetration is it would
seem to lend some credence to the beliefs of cultures and/or religions that say
people, the Earth, plants, animals etc. are related or connected somehow. The
Buddha's Nirvana (as I understand it) was an achievement of "oneness" with the
universe, where everything came together.
North and South American civilizations had animal totems which were tribe
symbols and servants of the tribe. For instance a man could see through the
eyes of his totem which may be an eagle or a bear.
And of course there's the Star Wars movies where the Force penetrated
everything. It would also serve as a good retort when an astrologer is asked
how astrology works: "Quantum mechanics, of course!"
QM is very interesting!! Thanks for enlightening me.
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Ufo Sighting Messages
Date: 10 Feb 90 11:05:00 GMT
> From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com+
As for the [?], this meant that I was unable to read the
character on the document. Anywhere that the brackets appeared,
I was commenting about the legibility.
One other comment regarding the Copyright posted by someone else
regarding FOIA documents, I have a file that I append to all the
material that is generated on ParaNet. It is copyrighted unless
it does not apply to ParaNet. Kind of a shotgun approach, but
nevertheless, it clearly identifies where the work was generated.
Mike
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Mercury drives
Date: 10 Feb 90 07:02:00 GMT
-+ --------------------------------------------------------------
-+ gerry zeitlin {apple|pacbell|hplabs|ucbvax}!well!gmz
-+ --------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Gerry...are you still in town? Call me...
Jim
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin
Subject: Re: skepticism and science
Date: 9 Feb 90 01:13:00 GMT
Human learning is confused with accepted labels of explanation. Such as
UFOs must follow accepted guidelines to be real. Perhaps there is a
reality curve of acceptance wn't based on observations. I'm sure that
in you experience you've seen things which just fit too neatly to be an
accident. However, in all cases sciences requires a reason for neat
fits. Maybe, there is an intelligence playing with us because weare so
easy to confuse.
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Russian UFOs
Date: 11 Feb 90 17:29:00 GMT
> "Mr. Abel would also like to take credit fo the aliens in Russia
> last
> summer. He claims he had been sitting around in the caboose [his
> office in his back yard] worrying that they didn't have any fun in
> Russia, and that there had never been a U.F.O. spotted there, so
> he
> sent detailed plans for a spaceship and aliens to a couple of
> Russians
> he had listed in his hoax-lovers Rolodex."
Stephen:
Its my opinion that Abel's claim to the media of being behind the
Voronezh hoax, IS IN ITSELF ANOTHER HOAX ON THE MEDIA. Abel gave some
details on the plans he sent to Russia on ABC's 20/20. NONE of the
elements he listed were seen in the Voronezh case, and in fact were so
hokey (a tape recorder playing the "Twilight Zone" theme) that almost
anyone else would pick up on it. Yet, so far I haven't seen the press
"debunking" Abel's latest claim. I think Abel has successfully shown how
gullible the media is in thinking that "any" explanation of a UFO
sighting is better than considering the possibility that its real.
(By the way, I consider Voronezh a hoax, but for reasons totally
unrelated to Abel's claim).
Jim
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?)
Date: 15 Feb 90 14:56:00 GMT
In a message to Bryon Smith <02-14-90 20:01> Ray Griffin wrote:
RG> Well UFOs are called planes because people explain what
RG> they think is a prosaic action with a slight twist of
RG> reality. So don't you think it would be alarming to say you
RG> saw an aircraft do something that only a UFO can do. Most
RG> people would believe that they saw an aircraft, but that
RG> the government or military wouldn't admit. Now if this
RG> craft appears to be an advanced bomber how would the
RG> sightings be explained to the Russians. The Americans would
RG> have to say it was a UFO. or face criticism. P.S. It has
RG> just been seen and it was identified as looking like the
RG> space shuttle. Only sitting straight up and moving
RG> sideways.
Now that would get one's attention wouldn't it ?
I think I see the angle on this one as you described it. They say the UFO
is actually a stealth plane but our "U.I." is deliberatly doing something to
force them to say that it's a UFO. This should be interesting to see.
...Bryon
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From: paranet!John.Burke
Subject: Re: UFO crash rate question
Date: 16 Feb 90 01:56:30 GMT
Gary: I was recently wondering if the many alleged UFO crashes could be
tied to nuclear tests. Specifically, I wondered if the EMPs caused by
atom bombs were causing the crashes. This would explain the "Saturn
Machine" at Sandia Labs as an anti-saucer weapon. Anyway, if the gov't.
released any info on dates of nuclear tests, it would be interesting to
see if any were done in early July of 1947 or on any of the dates that
would coincide with the Stringfield cases. -- John
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From: paranet!f7.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Vladimir.Godic.
Subject: S-P rating
Date: 17 Feb 90 05:57:00 GMT
Jim,
We are currently updating our UFO Reports Data Base and will
incorporate your S-P rating in the same. Many thanks for your
help in this matter.
Very sorry I misspelled your surname in a previous message.
Vladimir...
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From: GARY@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (Gary Knight)
Subject: Time travel inquiry
Date: 16 Feb 90 19:47:50 GMT
UFO 2. One hypothesis advanced to explain various UFO phenomena
is that they may represent time travelers from a future Earth come to view
our quaint and curious times. Time travel, of course, has a long history in
fiction literature, and has been the subject of some discourse in
theoretical physics in both the technical and popular literature. I'm
familiar with most all of that.
My question is --has there ever been any serious, applied (as
opposed to theoretical) scientific research done on the question of time
travel? If so, can anyone provide details (organization or institution,
personnel involved, publications resulting, etc.)? What about the U. S.
Government -- e.g., is there any evidence that DARPA or other research
agencies have even so much as funded surveys in this area? In responding,
please remember that my question focuses on APPLIED research and
development, not theoretical physics. Thanks for the input.
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From: GARY@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (Gary Knight)
Subject: Leonard Stringfield inquiry
Date: 16 Feb 90 19:48:18 GMT
UFO 3. Leonard Stringfield, as most ParaNet readers know, is
the guru of crash/retrieval literature. He wrote an initial report in
the late 70's, then published two supplements, one in 1980 and another
in 1982. However, I have found nothing by him since then. Question --
does anyone know if Stringfield is still working on the crash/retrieval
issue and, if so, if he has published anything since 1982 on the subject?
If so, where can it be obtained? If not, has anyone stepped into
Leonard's shoes in terms of pursuing the crash/retrieval issue?
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From: GRAHAM@iucf.bitnet
Subject: 1940's Crash in La.
Date: 16 Feb 90 19:48:44 GMT
I just checked my copy of "CLEAR INTENT".
The so-called pie-pan expose and the Hoover memo are on page
149.
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