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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 150
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 150
Monday, February 12th 1990
Today's Topics:
1940's crash in LA.
Re: skepticism and science
Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?)
Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?)
Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?)
Re: To John Komar from Keith Rowell
Re: skepticism and science
Re: skepticism and science
Re: Richard Murray & Congressional Amnesty
Russian UFOs
Reich
Re: Richard Murray & Congressional Amnesty
Greenhouse effect
Re: Skepticism And Science
1940's crash in LA.
PhilEx Video
Re: 1940's crash in LA.
Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?)
Re: Newsletter's 145,146
A Current Affair..
Where are they now?
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Winston.Mccain
Subject: 1940's crash in LA.
Date: 8 Feb 90 19:30:00 GMT
Does anyone have any info on the late 40's crash in Louisiana that is
referenced by the memo with J.E. Hoovers note ? I would like to
research more into this crash.
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin
Subject: Re: skepticism and science
Date: 9 Feb 90 01:13:00 GMT
Human learning is confused with accepted labels of explanation. Such as
UFOs must follow accepted guidelines to be real. Perhaps there is a
reality curve of acceptance wn't based on observations. I'm sure that
in you experience you've seen things which just fit too neatly to be an
accident. However, in all cases sciences requires a reason for neat
fits. Maybe, there is an intelligence playing with us because weare so
easy to confuse.
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin
Subject: Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?)
Date: 9 Feb 90 01:15:00 GMT
There were three landings in North Alabama not covered.
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?)
Date: 9 Feb 90 19:44:00 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <02-08-90 18:15> Ray Griffin wrote:
RG> There were three landings in North Alabama not covered.
Tell me, did they happen to be at or near an airport ?
...Bryon
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin
Subject: Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?)
Date: 10 Feb 90 18:11:00 GMT
I don't think there is an airport in that rural area. Landings have
been hushed up so as to not draw attention to that area again. One guy
tied dogs to all corners of his house, but they landed anyway.
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From: paranet!p0.f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Komar
Subject: Re: To John Komar from Keith Rowell
Date: 10 Feb 90 18:59:00 GMT
In a message to All <02-04-90 18:53> infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com wrote:
in=>From: infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com
in=>Date: 4 Feb 90 20:12:38 GMT
in=>Message-ID: <2829@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM>
in=>Newsgroups: info.paranet
in=>
in=>From: keithr@tolkien.wv.tek.com
in=>I apologize to the rest of the mailing list, but John Komar
in=>and I just
in=>can't seem to find each other's email addresses.
in=>Keith Rowell
Keith, if you receive this message, send me a FIDO node I can netmail you
at.
John
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Reuben.Michaels
Subject: Re: skepticism and science
Date: 11 Feb 90 08:17:13 GMT
I'll have to look that up. As I said it was the only time known that a
judge in America ordered notes and records destroyed, and they actually
were. This was about 1955 or 57 so things were pretty small minded then
and the doctors had much sway and Reich was in trouble with the AMA
having made claims that the orgone chamber would cure "incurable
diseases" so lots of wealthy people were coming to him and being treated
when they had terminal cancer etc, and giving him lots of money. I'll
find out the grounds for the destroying of records and get back to you.
***Best, Reuben***
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Reuben.Michaels
Subject: Re: skepticism and science
Date: 11 Feb 90 08:21:41 GMT
Reich had a way of measuring the "field" around different substances, and
was interested in the "fields" arounokd radioactive substances as well.
The personal notes and records were destroyed, but of course the books
that had been published could not be collected and destroyed, but the
notes and stuff for the next books were destroyed. I will find out what
the grounds used by the judge. There's a fellow in Northern California
named Dr. James Demeo who continues some of the work of Reich with the
"cloudbuster" and he has had some beneficial results.
***Best, Reuben***
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Richard Murray & Congressional Amnesty
Date: 11 Feb 90 08:01:00 GMT
I don't think there was a CIA in 1948 for George Bush to be in charge
of. I think he was head of the CIA in the 70's. If there was a CIA in
48 perhaps Vannavar Bush was head of it.
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Russian UFOs
Date: 11 Feb 90 17:29:00 GMT
> "Mr. Abel would also like to take credit fo the aliens in Russia
> last
> summer. He claims he had been sitting around in the caboose [his
> office in his back yard] worrying that they didn't have any fun in
> Russia, and that there had never been a U.F.O. spotted there, so
> he
> sent detailed plans for a spaceship and aliens to a couple of
> Russians
> he had listed in his hoax-lovers Rolodex."
Stephen:
Its my opinion that Abel's claim to the media of being behind the
Voronezh hoax, IS IN ITSELF ANOTHER HOAX ON THE MEDIA. Abel gave some
details on the plans he sent to Russia on ABC's 20/20. NONE of the
elements he listed were seen in the Voronezh case, and in fact were so
hokey (a tape recorder playing the "Twilight Zone" theme) that almost
anyone else would pick up on it. Yet, so far I haven't seen the press
"debunking" Abel's latest claim. I think Abel has successfully shown how
gullible the media is in thinking that "any" explanation of a UFO
sighting is better than considering the possibility that its real.
(By the way, I consider Voronezh a hoax, but for reasons totally
unrelated to Abel's claim).
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Reich
Date: 11 Feb 90 17:41:00 GMT
John:
I agree with you that the government has a duty to protect the public
from medical quackery (and has been highly derelict in its duty, of
late). I'm not for or against Reich at this point, not knowing much
about him, and I defer to your learned statements about the efficacy of
"orgone energy". I was really just curious as to what justification was
used to actually destroy someone's published works and personal notes.
If I may be so bold, it sounds to me as if the book-burning was the act
that made Wilhelm Reich a household name today, thereby achieving the
opposite of the desired effect.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Richard Murray & Congressional Amnesty
Date: 11 Feb 90 17:45:00 GMT
> I don't think there was a CIA in 1948 for George Bush to be in
> charge of. I think he was head of the CIA in the 70's. If there
> was a CIA in 48 perhaps Vannavar Bush was head of it.
The CIA was created 17 Sept 1947 by Harry Truman (the same date as the
phony "Truman MJ-12 letter"). One of the MJ-12 people, as I recall, was
its first head, but I can't remember which.
I think the writer meant "1984".
Jim
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From: davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.com
Subject: Greenhouse effect
Date: 12 Feb 90 04:50:40 GMT
Does anyone with access to earth models have any idea if they indicate
the hurricanes in Englang and Europe? I don't recall winds of this
magnitude, and it certainly seems that they don't have a sat. weather
watch to help prepare for them.
Speculation is okay, but I'd really like to hear from someone who can
look at the model output, if such a person gets this list, of any reader
has access to the output.
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Skepticism And Science
Date: 12 Feb 90 04:06:00 GMT
Hi Reuben. Well, the fellow in California who's fooling around with
"cloudbusters" is fortunate indeed if all the effects are beneficial.
I understand the original "cloudbuster" and several of Reich's other
inventions involved dangerously concentrated Uranium 238 and Pitchblend
concoctions.
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: 1940's crash in LA.
Date: 11 Feb 90 19:28:00 GMT
> Does anyone have any info on the late 40's crash in Louisiana that
> is referenced by the memo with J.E. Hoovers note ? I would like
> to research more into this crash.
Winston, that memo is a matter of some controversy. Fact is, it is not
known just what "LA" refers to.
For the benefit of others, Winston is talking about a memorandum signed
by J. Edgar Hoover and released thru FOIA, in which Hoover is responding
to an order for certain branches of the government to cooperate with the
Army Air Corps on UFO crash/retrievals. Hoover responds, (paraphrasing),
"I would do it, but would demand access to all disks recovered. For
instance, in the LA crash, the Army would not give us access."
I don't remember whether there are periods after "L" and "A", but I seem
to recall there were. Its been postulated that parts of the Roswell disk
were taken to Los Alamos for examination. I've never heard of a "Los
Angeles" disk crash, nor of one in Louisiana.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: PhilEx Video
Date: 11 Feb 90 20:56:00 GMT
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: 1940's crash in LA.
Date: 12 Feb 90 01:01:00 GMT
It is not at all clear that the "it" was a real disk or a Hoax disk
being referred to in the Hoover Memo. Presumably, if they wouldn't let
the FBI have access to a fake one they certainly wouldn't let them have
access to a real one and Hoover would likely be miffed. Hoover might
also have been in the dark about the truth of the supposed reality of
the recovered disks and merely been speculating that there had been a
recovery. It is a somewhat ambiguous memo.
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?)
Date: 11 Feb 90 15:17:00 GMT
In a message to Bryon Smith <02-10-90 11:11> Ray Griffin wrote:
RG> I don't think there is an airport in that rural area.
RG> Landings have been hushed up so as to not draw attention to
RG> that area again. One guy tied dogs to all corners of his
RG> house, but they landed anyway.
I doubt that dogs would bother them don't you ? ;-)
Anyway, these people are not wanting the attention that Gulf Breeze got.
They know if they publicize it they will have reporters and everyone there
to investigate it, and some will be calling them "kooks" and such and no one
wants that.
...Bryon
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin
Subject: Re: Newsletter's 145,146
Date: 11 Feb 90 14:12:00 GMT
Are you related to the Sanborn family which founded Sanborn medical,
the fore-runner of Hewlett Packard's medical Div. I knew Dr. Miller in
years past if so.
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
Subject: A Current Affair..
Date: 12 Feb 90 01:44:06 GMT
In a message of <09 Feb 90 23:57>, Jim Speiser (1:114/37) writes:
>Marcello Truzzi was on A Current Affair?
Yes; for maybe about 1 minute. The show devoted about 15 minutes to the UFO
phenomena, but on all aspects. Each aspect (Roswell, the Japan video,
abductions, Bud Hopkins etc) was covered in about 1 or 2 minutes. You didn't
miss much if anything.
I wanted to tape the show but the cable TV went out about 5 minutes before the
show started broadcasting out of Scranton (5 PM) and returned about 10 minutes
after the New York broadcast ended (8:10 PM).
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!David.Blaker
Subject: Where are they now?
Date: 12 Feb 90 06:16:41 GMT
i> From: infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com
i> Date: 29 Jan 90 18:17:53 GMT
i> Message-ID: <2762@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM>
i> Newsgroups: info.paranet
i> From: ZAK@cu.nih.gov
i> Does anyone have the current address and phone number of NICAP? A fri
i> asked me to check on this as it would be a local call for me, but when
i> phone, I get a law firm. The address she gave me was 5012 Del Ray Ave
i> Washington, DC, 301-654-8091. The phone number is wrong in any case
i> because the DC area code is 202. Maryland is 301.
i> Also, does anyone have current address/phone information on CUFO and M
i> Thanks in advance.
i> * Origin: Paranet(sm) - The world's most important computer network
i> (1:30163/1
The address and phone number to CUFOS and MUFON is:
MUFON MUTUAL UFO NETWORK
103 OLDTOWNE ROAD
SEGUIN, TEXAS 78155-4099
CUFOS CENTER FOR UFO STUDY
2457 WEST PETERSON AVENUE
CHICAGO, ILLINOIS 60659
The phone numbers are: MUFON : 512-379-9216
CUFOS : 312-271-3611
Dave.
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