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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 129
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 129
Friday, January 19th 1990
Today's Topics:
Replies
Re: Replies
Interbreeding
New Affiliates
Lazar
cows
Re: Lazar/Area51
Re: There is a lot of current theories leading me
Ever hear of..
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From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)
Subject: Replies
Date: 18 Jan 90 03:06:37 GMT
Byron: Thanks for your thoughtful reply to my query about "giants".
Are your and Dake's data archeological or mostly literary
and iconographic? I should think that bones and cultural
remains of the giants would have been found by now if they
were numerous or widespread. Jericho is a very old inhabited
site but the battle is fairly recent. If giants were extant
then, then I would expect some remains somewhere in the Levant
or Anatolia.
General: I find the whole idea of animal mutilation very
weird and, except for hoaxes and cultic activity, rather pointless.
It would be an inefficent way for aliens to do antomical research,
lunch, etc. I have read of cases being ascribed to small predators
and scavengers by wild life biologists; have any such cases been
examined by trained taphonomists? (taphonomy is the study of how organisms decay
and become fossilized or otherwise preserved.)
There is an observation reported in the book review section
of the Febr. 1990 Scientific American of a ravern consuming a dead
squirrel by freeing the impermeable skin around the mouth and
pulling it back. The eventual result was an empty skin with the
fur on the inside.
My point is that these remains would have looked very
mysterious if the feeding process had not been observed as it happened.
""Mysterious creature turns animals inside-out, then eats them" says Deputy
Sheriff," "Winged being seen in neighborhood," etc.
---John.
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From: paranet!f26.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!steve.rose
Subject: Re: Replies
Date: 18 Jan 90 08:41:33 GMT
> The allegation that AIDS was produced by the CIA
> at Fort Dietrick MD by genetic engineering was started by
> a retired East Geman virologist named Siegel. The truth of his
> charges has been denied by both Soviet and East German officials.
Probably should give as much credence to this, as to another allegation that
AIDS was started accidently by a radically altered virallic strain that broke
out of containment somewhere in Africa. The original mixture was to be used to
innoculate cattle from the standard diseases there. No evidence (naturally) as
to what caused the mutation, and no link to established cattle treating agents
could be produced. Just another one of "those" stories circulating in '87.
The N.I.H. was supposed to be on top of that one.
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From: paranet!f401.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Mark.Jose
Subject: Interbreeding
Date: 17 Jan 90 04:44:00 GMT
>genetic code. Cross species breeding rarely works even among
>closely related
>animals-- horse/donkey hybrids are sterile, the kittens from wild
>and domestic
>cats are inviable, and hamster eggs fertilized by human sperm do
>not develop at
>all.
"rarely works" <- How true. Although cross-linking of species seems to
-------------- been an overall failure, there are still some
"success" stories, namely the donkey/horse and the
sheep/goat. Could it not be true that we did interbreed with the aliens and
that we "matched" very well with them only losing some of their traits and
gaining others.
If you decide the perfect "inter-breed" to be one that is not only
healthy but also fertile then maybe when we bred with aliens (or if we bred,
depending on your view) we got the fertile aspect ok but not the healthy
part.
It seems to me that so long as the "newly created breed" is fertile,
you can slowly breed out all the "imperfections" that intermixing with an
alien would bring.
I don't know much about DNA (in fact I know very little) but over the many
thousands of years that man has roamed the earth, is it not possible that we
would lose a lot of the "aliens" traits through our own interbreeding?
Surely on the basis of evolution we know we have changed quite dramatically
over the years. How are we to know that out DNA structure is not
dramatically different to those of the people who were around over forty
thousand years ago?
Regards, M.J.
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: New Affiliates
Date: 19 Jan 90 01:10:00 GMT
This is to welcome two new affiliates to the ParaNet family.
They are:
ParaNet ALPHA-EPSILON(sm)
Randy Alexander
Cutten, California
ParaNet ALPHA-ZETA(sm)
Edward Nicol
Arlington, Texas
On behalf of the group, WELCOME!! Please take a moment and
introduce yourselves.
Michael Corbin
Administrator
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From: gross@dg-rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross)
Subject: Lazar
Date: 19 Jan 90 04:02:10 GMT
Again we are treated to the key issues that Lazar is vague about.
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-+ 1. The Resonant Frequency of the Gravity Wave
Somehow this just sticks in my craw. He says that he knows but just
can't remember. When pressed, he says he just can't remember. Give me
a break!! He has been exposed to something, by his own testimony, that
would shake the very foundations of our current science and he can't
remember. I'm sorry. I just don't but it.
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-+ 2. The Names Used at S-4 for the Low- and High-Speed Modes of
-+ Spacecraft Travel
Here Lazar is just filled with details about how they travel. Great!!
My kids could have made a similar description concerning a car or
airplane. What is missing is the technical details. Why aren't there
some technical details? Every engineer, scientist, or programmer I've
ever worked with just naturally gave forth the details as a matter of
course. That is the world they live in, and it is a world that
fascinates them, generally speaking. And they tend, like all humans, to
assume that what interests or fascinated them also interests and
fascinates others. So they put out the details so others can share in
the interest.
I've been a technical writer for over 13 years now. It is my job to get
information from the technical staff that I work with, and I've found it
remarkably easy to do so. My military background in intelligence also
helps me to prompt when there is any reticence on their part--good
training on how to interview for information. Lazar is outside the
mold, and this concerns me, people.
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-+ 3. The Atomic Weight of Alien Element 115
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-+ Lazar:
-+ I hate even to guess. I know it because we've written it down
-+ because we've calculated it, but I really don't remember.
Here we go again! Why can't he remember? Can he remember his own phone
number!!? I'm sorry. That was unkind, but this guy really is beginning
to irritate the socks off of me. He is a trained scientist, or so he
claims. Scientists are among the better trained observers around. They
generally have a very good eye for details and facts. The better ones
don't clutter their minds with useless information--but I don't believe
that the details about Element 115 and gravity waves fall into the
category of useless information.
My training gave me certain instincts that have proved themselves over
the years--in combat and in civilian life. I admit that I want to
believe in what he is saying. But he just does not ring right to
me--sort of like a bell with an air bubble hidden in its graceful sides.
If he came forth with something that we could check out, like the
frequency of the wave, then I might see some of the other areas as part
of what I'd expect. You learn to expect some inconsistency in testimony
and the inconsistency is a normal human element.
Someone I talked to recently suggested that maybe this was due to
something that the intell/security people did to him. Frankly, I have
my doubts. Why? Because those people have done a very good job of
keeping the rest of us out by giving us just enough information and then
discrediting it. They are good. This tells me that if they used drugs
and hypnosis on him he'd not remember a thing--period. Not only would
they blank out certain memories, they'd also add in a few to replace
them so that the 'psychic' pressure of not remembering wouldn't build
up. Those people aren't a bunch of 'Johnny-come-latelies' to this
business. Hell, I'm not even sure that they are CIA people (or DIA).
Who ever they are, they are running a very good ops on this.
So until I see something that lends greater credibility to Lazar, I have
to conclude that he is not what he seems to be. That is my personal
opinion. The rest of you can disagree, and I'll be happy to hear what
you disagree with and why.
Gene
gross@dg-rtp.DG.com
P.S. Byron & Michael: I would like to talk with you both privately,
but I have so far been unable to get through. Let me leave this with my
work number-- (919)248-5908. I'm usually in my office until around 5:30
or 6:00 p.m., EST. Please call.
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: cows
Date: 17 Jan 90 18:36:00 GMT
In a message to Bryon Smith <01-16-90 16:12> Jerry Woody wrote:
JW> honesty. A couple of months after that a piece ran in the
JW> Cullman times, Sheriffs' report, about a, and I quote "The
JW> cow's milk sack and rear end had been cut out. The incident
JW> occured between Jan. 31 and Feb. 1". I have a copy of the
JW> news article if you'd like it. Notice also that it occured
JW> LESS than 24hrs. in cold winter weather.
Let me guess, there was either no tracks, or the ones that were found were
not normal to the area.
I wonder if the cow's tracks lead to the location where the cow had been
found ? Or if it appeard the cow had been dropped or lowered into that
location. If it was winter then perhaps there was snow or the ground was
soft and tracks may have been found that would give a clue as to how the cow
had gotten to the location where it had been found dead.
Always interested in the information.
...Bryon
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: Re: Lazar/Area51
Date: 17 Jan 90 19:29:00 GMT
In a message to Bryon Smith <01-14-90 02:01> Don Allen wrote:
DA> huminoid races of earth and the "space brothers" for "good"
DA> is not entirely accurate. To me,that "intermixing" has the
DA> effect of altering certain biological changes in the DNA/RNA
DA> chain.
It almost sounds like one race of beings are messing with a project that
another race of beings were involved with from the start.
A dispute of some sort may have evolved from this between these beings.
Of course this line of thought is speculation. Let's imagin that we are an
experiment of some sort, or even decendants of some race of E.T.s. Let's
say they put us here for some reason, and some other group of E.T.s then
came to foul up the project for whatever the reason. Perhaps they had a
dispute over property, who owned what, etc. One could almost picture a
familiar situation & story evolving from this line of thought. True it's
only speculation but what if ? I am not saying I believe this line of
thought one way or the other, it's just a thought.
DA> (Sheer speculation at this point)..What does that mean??
DA> Could it mean a lowering of spiritual potential that should
DA> have long ago come to pass...or was it done deliberately to
DA> suppress
Writings indicate that those who were the descendants or product of the
union between the "son's of God and the daughters of men" were violent men
who had a bad reputation on the Earth at that time and who were always an
adversary against the "God of Heaven." I spent all afternoon in the library
yesterday and every account that I came up with said these people were
notorious for being evil and not having the "fear of God withen them." All
accounts do not agree on the physical size of these people, but do agree on
the account of them being "evil" and "powerful" and always contending with
the Israelites who were known as "God's people."
This might indicate that two different races or factions who are enemies
with each other, are having it out and we as a people are caught in the
middle of it for some reason. Speculation; we are either "property" of one
of the races involved, or we are here by chance. In otherwords their
dispute just happen to bring them to the Earth and we got caught in the
midst of it.
DA> at the intermixing as the raising up of the "carnal" side
DA> of mankind
DA> and the "lowering" of the Kundalini/Life Force.
Might very well be a part of it. To be enlightened is to know the truth
concerning our origin and reason for our being. Perhaps someone doesn't
want us to know who we are and why we are here, keeping us in the dark so to
speak.
DA> The Bhagavad_Gita is a book out of a VAST collection of
I shall certanly make a note of that.
DA> Seems to me that it's really not possible to separate the
DA> metaphysical
DA> spiritual aspects of the UFO phenomena. There's some
DA> connections here.
I believe they are all connected somewhere at some point.
DA> What does your Bible research indicate about Melchizdek?
DA> (who was without mother or father and just WAS).
I am aware of this but have not pursued this line in depth as yet.
It could be that he was a special teacher. He might have been an E.T.
himself, or then again perhaps he was someone who had been chosen and
enlightened, designed to bring us a message. One thing is for sure he
brought a mystery with him that stimulates questions.
...Bryon
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: Re: There is a lot of current theories leading me
Date: 19 Jan 90 08:28:00 GMT
In a message to infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com <01-16-90 00:52> T.s. Bennett wrote
TB> There is info leading me to think of the possibility that
TB> these "aliens" have been "bred" by our own genetic
TB> experiments in order to "fly" strange new craft that we
TB> designed, in order to fool the "enemy" we use them against
TB> into thinking that they came from "outewr space". There is
TB> a definite underground installatiuon near Dulce New Mexico,
TB> it is reputed to have "aliens" there. My point is that the
TB> place is a bio-engineering lab, and the "aliens" are
TB> abortions created by us.
I would not be surprised if the military wasn't involved in something just
that bizarre, but that does not explain the other reports in history that
appear to indicate that aliens have been visiting our world for many years,
long before the military (as we know it) came along.
Still, what if they are up to something on that order ? Genetic mutations ?
I would think it would be easer cheaper, and more dependable just to make
smart machines with computer minds, but I guess each has its limitations.
You sound very certain of the underground base that is said to have the
"aliens" living in it. Might I ask what causes you to be so certain ?
I am aware that the military has underground bases in New Mexico, a friend
of mine was stationed at one of them for a short visit on honor guard duty.
It would be hard to say what all they have out there hidden under the
ground, it's something to think about.
...Bryon
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
Subject: Ever hear of..
Date: 19 Jan 90 03:48:28 GMT
Has anyone ever heard of a person named Paris Flammonde? This person is supposedly "an internationally recognized authority and author of two definitive books" on UFO's .
I'm quoting part of the description of an adult education course sponsored by a school in these parts. I'm wondering what the scoop is on this person.
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