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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 130
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 130
Saturday, January 20th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: MJ-12 Document - HOAX!
Astronomers and UFOs
Re: Some personal thoughts
Odds and Ends
The Major and the Myth
Journalist needs info
Interbreeding
Ever hear of..
UFOs as a reality...
Re: Replies
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: MJ-12 Document - HOAX!
Date: 17 Jan 90 07:24:00 GMT
> It will certainly be interesting to see what Freidman's response
> will
> be to all this. Do you know if anyone has contacted him to get
> his
> reaction?
I'm sure he's been contacted up one side and down the other. I don't
know if anyone on ParaNet has done so yet, however (hint hint.) I don't
know what his reaction is, but I predict it will be something like,
"Well, that's only one document. It doesn't reflect on the others one
whit." Which I think is rather weak, but I'll wait and hear what he has
to say.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Astronomers and UFOs
Date: 17 Jan 90 07:29:00 GMT
> However, he lent me a copy of a survey of the members of the
> American
> Astronomical Society (if I remember correctly) that was done by
> Peter
> Sturrock, who was at the time (if I remember correctly) director
> of
> the Stanford Linear Accelerator. That was about ten years ago, so
> I
> don't remember many details. However, I think it mentioned that a
> number of the respondents HAD seen puzzling things in the sky and
> I think most of them wanted to remain anonymous. Also, a number
> of
> the respondents felt that the UFO subject deserved serious
> scientific
> study. Jim Speiser recently mentioned this report. (Jim, can you
> supply any further details?)
I'll be providing the summary report in a future upload. Basically, it
shows that 53% of the responding members support the idea of UFO
research. It has a few other surprises as well.
Jim
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Some personal thoughts
Date: 17 Jan 90 21:50:00 GMT
You raise interesting questions. I find the Lazar suggestion that the
gravity amplifiers reach out and grab a piece of their destination and
stretch it to be fairly unconvincing. The dicountinuties and
distortions that would cause would be tremendous not to mention the
problems of aiming at something many light years away.
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Odds and Ends
Date: 19 Jan 90 08:54:00 GMT
>
> One last thing before I email this. Is anyone out there interested in
> or involved in researching and studying the Face on Mars? I have been
> studying the information available for the last couple of years and
> would like to correspond with people on this. I joined the Mars Project
> some time back to keep up with things and would be willing to pass along
> information that I have, such as it is.
>
> Gene Gross
Yes, Gene, I'm very interested in it, and have been following it since
the first OMNI story, what, 7 years ago? Its another case that I
straddle the fence on. I'm not terribly impressed with Mr. Hoagland's
spin on things, but what excites me about it is the same thing that
excites me about the UFO phenomenon: the skeptical arguments are even
less impressive. They actually seem to be babbling in this case. Many of
them simply say it doesn't look that much like a face (bull!), or they
drag in red herrings and straw man arguments like the Kermit the Frog
formation or the Happy Face. I have not seen one decent argument against
the idea of simply going up and taking another look. Granted, its far
from established that the face is artificial, but that's a long way from
saying that its not worth consideration.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: The Major and the Myth
Date: 11 Jan 90 06:34:00 GMT
DATE: Sun 14 Jan 90
TIME: 6 PM
EVENT: Lecture by Maj. James McGaha, USAF, member, CSICOP UFO Subcommittee
PLACE: Royal Sun Restaurant, 1015 N. Stone, Tucson, AZ USA
SUBJECT: "UFOs: The Modern Myth"
SPONSOR: American Atheists Society
ADMISSION: Free
The major has asked me to supply him with lists of the 10 most
compelling UFO cases in history, the 10 most credible Ufologists, and
the 10 most _famous_ Ufologists. I'll be submitting my lists by mail
tomorrow, but I thought it might make an interesting thread.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Journalist needs info
Date: 13 Jan 90 06:39:00 GMT
> A journalist friend of mine is doing some UFO research. He is
> interested in the 1948 "Estimate of the Situation" rejected by
> Vandenberg. We would appreciate any book and especially magazine
> article discussions of this topic. Any other sources of
> information
> are welcome, too, of course -- FOIA documents(?).
>
> -Keith Rowell, Tektronix, Wilsonville, OR keithr@orca.WV.TEK.COM
> FAX: 503-655-4615
Keith, I don't know about print sources, but the best "live" source I
know of on the estimate is Bruce Maccabee. Also, I think the estimate is
covered in "Clear Intent" by Fawcett and Greenwood.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Interbreeding
Date: 14 Jan 90 06:51:00 GMT
> As a geneticist, I find the idea of Aliens' being able to
> interbreed with
> humans unlikely...
Well stated, John, and I have to agree. I don't buy the theory either.
But for the record, Lear got the idea from Budd Hopkins, who wrote
"Missing Time" and "Intruders," the latter being the book in which he
introduced the theory.
Michael Swords, a professor of genetics and a consultant to CUFOS, has
written several articles debunking the alien interbreeding hypothesis.
However, he still thinks there's something mighty strange going on with
abductions.
Jim
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Ever hear of..
Date: 19 Jan 90 21:04:00 GMT
> Paris Flammonde?
Paris (which I've always assumed was a masculine moniker, but to this
day don't know for sure) wrote "UFO Exist" [sic]. He(?) used to appear
quite regularly on Long John Nebel's radio program on WOR in New York. I
think he was a semi-biggie in the sixties. Don't exactly know what his
angle is.
Jim
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: UFOs as a reality...
Date: 20 Jan 90 00:42:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "FIDO UFO ECHO"
* Originally from Michael Corbin
* Originally dated 19 Jan 90 17:34:02
Recently, ParaNet came into possession of a video tape taken in Kanazawa Japan
in July of this year. This video tape was made with a Super 8mm video camera
shot by a citizen. The video tape is very dramatic, to say the least.
What it shows is an object taken at about a half mile range coming down from
the sky. As it gets closer to the ground, it suddenly zooms at an angle and
has the classic "stair-step" motion as it moves upward. Suddenly, it drops
back down and hovers. The maneuvers that this object displays are "classic
UFO." Additionally, the camera zooms in on the object, and it becomes
apparent that the object is elliptical in shape with an appendage around it
making it resemble Saturn. The shot is a daylight shot.
This is the film that was shown by CBS and Connie Chung about three months
ago.
Word coming from the scientific community is that the film is "...perhaps the
most important piece of photographic evidence that we have ever had of an
unidentified flying object..."
This video raises several questions about the reality of UFOs.
ParaNet will update this story as news becomes available.
Michael Corbin
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Robert.Sikes
Subject: Re: Replies
Date: 20 Jan 90 05:32:00 GMT
Does anyone remember circa about 1979 in the Dallas Texas area (near
a germ warfare lab) when all the birds died? I mean you had to cover
your head and duck to prevent being hit by falling birds. You could
not see grass anywhere by reason of dead birds. Much was said in the
news media about it at that time and I've always wondered if there was
a connection to aids.
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