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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 132
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 132
Monday, January 22nd 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: Lazar/Area51
Hygrids/115/AIDS
A new book
Animal Mutilations
Re: Replies
Re: Lazar
Re: Replies
Re: Replies
Re: Replies
Mars Face
Re: A New Book
cows
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: Re: Lazar/Area51
Date: 20 Jan 90 16:51:00 GMT
In a message to Bryon Smith <01-19-90 22:22> Robert Sikes wrote:
RS> are you referring to Melchizidek the high priest of the
RS> Bible?
Yeah, that's the one he mentioned, but I don't have much information on him.
Working on another project at this time.
We are trying to trace any evidence that we can that might indicate that
aliens have been here working on Earth for a very long time.
...Bryon
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From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)
Subject: Hygrids/115/AIDS
Date: 21 Jan 90 18:45:22 GMT
We will know much more about human heredity in about a decade
when the Human Genome Project is finished. At the present, we know as
a rough estimate that the DNA sequences of any two humans are about 99%
identical and human an chimpanzee are about 97%. We cannot breed with
apes as they have a differerent number of chromosomes than we. If we were
to find significant blocks of DNA that are not homologous to chimp,
gorilla and other mammmals, then the ET introgression hypothesis
would be more viable, but there just isn't room for much new information.
I think the difficulties with the hybrid hypothesis are
insurmountable already.
If alien DNA caused a loss of fertility in the offspring, then it
would be extremely difficult for alien genes to spread through the
population, unless they conferred an enormous selective advantage.
The offspring of donkey/horse and donkey/zebra crosses are
completely infertile and to my knowledge zebra/horse crosses have resulted
in no foals at all. Sheep/goat and sheep/cow chimaeras have been made by
mixing cells from the two kinds of embryos and implanting the mixture into
a receptive female, but I am not aware of any crosses.
Mammal embryos are pretty tough; I've carried cow embryos in a test tube of
medium on an airplane in my shirt pocket, 1/2 embryos develop into normal
animals most of the time, 1/8th's of sheep embryos have yielded
octuplet lambs. That's about as close as we have come to actually cloning
mammals.
Humans forty thousand years ago may have been less racially differentiated than
now, but Cro-Magnon made art, tools, etc and
doesn't seem to have been too different physically from us today from
what we can tell. Our languages seem to be at least that old. However,
40K is enough time for real genetic differences if the selection or drift
were strong enough. However, humans interbreed whenever races come in
contact and that has fortunately prevented us from diverging into
separate species. Miscegenation isn't just fun, it's kept us together as
one species.
As for "aliens" being "abortions," by definition abortions are terminated
pregancies. It is possible to transplant early embryos between related species
and have normal development with special techniques, but not
fetuses. Also, mutations in cells of somatic tissues may lead to cancer,
but do not change the form or nature of the organism. These changes can only
be inherited if they occur in the germ cells, so 'mutation" is a slow process
requiring induction, breeding, and maturation. They aren't something that
quckly changes a population, despite Hollywood and TV. Most cells in the body
are terminally differentiated so even a "virus" wouldn't affect the properties
of children or adults.
Much has been made of the rather distant relation of the AIDS
virus to Bovine Leukemia virus, but the differences are far too great
to have occurred recently despite the high mutation rate of retroviruses
in general. One of the two AIDS viruses may be close enough to a monkey
virus to be derived from it in the last century or so, but this is
still speculative.
These "rumors" do not just get started, they are the result of deliberate
disinformation campaigns. Unfortunately, they have
gained wide currency in the Black, Hispanic, and Gay communities, at least
in California where I have first hand knowledge.
According to an article in the May 1989, Scientific American, by
the scientists who have synthesized 106, 107, 108, and 109, the atomic
weight of the isotope of 115 expected to be most stable is 291, but their
graph suggests that it could be as high as 299. Their technique uses
collisions between heavy and medium weight nuclei rather than
neutrons and high atomic weight targets or protons and heavy nuclei followed
by beta decay as in supernova explosions. No one would try to make 115
in the lab by bombarding uranium or other heavy elements with protons.
I agree that the AW of 115 is not just incidental information. If
any isotope 115 is stable enough to be isolated in macroscopic amounts
and is not a radiation hazard, then there may be something wrong with our
current theories of nuclear stability. Knowing which isotope would help
us refine those theories. It would also be helpful to know what kind of
"antimatter" is emitted by 115 after bombardment with protons. Positrons
would not be unexpected if the nucleus did not simply fission or spallate,
but antiprotons, antineutrons, or antialpha particles, etc. are unlikely.
I find this one of the weakest parts of Lazar's story, so say nothing of
the improbability of anyone at his level even learning about what he claims
has been happening.
The Gravity Amplifier idea also has problems. Gravity can appear as
a wave according to General Relativity and certain binary star systems are
losing energy at a rate consistent with the predicted losses due to
gravitational radiation. This is quite good indirect evidence. A new
generation of gravitational wave detectors is about ready to begin searching for
GW's. The difficulty is that gravity is about 39 orders of magnitude
weaker than the Electromagnetic and Strong Nuclear Forces, so GW and
gravitons are extremely difficult to detect.
A machine which warped space as Lazar describes would be
the mass/ energetic equivalent of a small "Black Hole" and should create
enormous tidal effects on its surroundings and possibly also intense
Hawking radiation. The process which concentrates the annihilation
energy of the antimatter to create the warp is unlikely to be 100%
efficient, so there should be detectable energy leakage as well.
Frankly, this part of Lazar's story sounds like handwaving;
he gives no useful details about the masses and energies involved, let
alone the physics. The gravitational force is so weak and the permeability
of space so low that we are talking about stellar masses, not the conversion
of few grams of a hypothetical element to energy.
ParaNet should contact somebody like the gravitational theorist
and SF writer Robert Forward (Dragon's Egg) or Kip Thorne for an expert
opinion.
Finally, it has been suggested by a conferee on SKEPTICS that
the glass implant removed from an alleged "abductee" was a fragment of
a mirror. I think that this is very likely, particularly if the
silver and other metals were on one surface rather than being distributed
thoughout the glass as I had surmised from the description on ParaNet.
Mirrors of all sizes are a lot commoner than photochromic sunglasses.
--John
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From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Gregg.Pasterick
Subject: A new book
Date: 21 Jan 90 19:43:00 GMT
I noticed a new book in the bookstore the other day. Sorry, but
the title escapes me, but it dealt with the wave of October, 1973. Has
anyone read this book yet?
Gregg
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Eric.Brown
Subject: Animal Mutilations
Date: 22 Jan 90 03:29:00 GMT
The Charlotte Observer in Charlotte, NC recently reported on two animal
mutilations this month (January) in nearby Cabarrus County. A cow and
a deer were found, each with their tongue and left ear cut out.
The story alluded to the fact that there have been other similar
mutilations in the area recently, but this is the first that I have
heard of them. Nothing was mentioned as to the nature of the cuts or
the presense or absense of blood.
Local authorities blamed the mutilations on satanic cults, but I have
not seen any wild devil-worshippers running around here in the Bible
belt. Then again, I have not seen any UFOs, either.
If I find out anything more about the nature of these mutilations, I
will be sure and post it here.
Eric Brown
Charlotte, NC
(Woops, I misspelled -presence- and -absence- in one of the above
paragraphs. Sorry bout that.)
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Robert.Sikes
Subject: Re: Replies
Date: 21 Jan 90 07:21:00 GMT
THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A GERM WARFARE LAB AND CLOSE PROXIMITY IN TIME
TO THE DISCOVERY OF THE AIDS SITUATION SURELY GIVE FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
I DIDN'T INTEND TO IMPLY THAT I HAD DRAWN ANY CONCLUSIONS. WHETHER THE
MANY, MANY BIRDS' DEATH WERE AIDS RELATED OR SOME OTHER VIRUS IS
IRRELEVANT. IT WAS SURELY A VERY, VERY UNUSUAL AND STILL UNEXPLAINED
EVENT SIR.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Lazar
Date: 21 Jan 90 08:29:00 GMT
Not suprisingly, I agree with you on Lazar. THe fact the he refuses to
provide info on his schooling (which could be checked) or on his pay
stubs (which would be a form of proof) and his convienient demurring on
some matters because of the work his company is involved in are all
rather telling. If he is worried about his companies contract, he has
already gone way to far to think that recitence on some of the details
is going to keep the gvt off his back.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Replies
Date: 21 Jan 90 08:32:00 GMT
I don't see a likely connection to AIDS. AIDS takes years to kill.
It is unlikely the birds would have hung around the lab for their whole
life.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Robert.Sikes
Subject: Re: Replies
Date: 22 Jan 90 04:23:00 GMT
first of all, the metabolism of birds is very rapid compared to humans
and they would be very good subjects for gw experimentation. In any
event, I repeat that the comment was made as food for thought regarding
accidents at germ warfare labs. However, I can't discount that that
lab or any lab wasn't the source of the aids virus.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Replies
Date: 22 Jan 90 17:30:00 GMT
It's true that the metabolism of birds is fast, but that doesn't have
much to do with the speed of development of the AIDS virus. It seems
to me it would work against your hypothesis. SInce AIDS has been shown
to be a very slow disease to develope, it would be unlikely for it to
be much of a factor in animals whose life span is relatively short.
I'm not saying your suggested connection is wrong. You asked for
comments on it and now that you are getting some you seem to be getting
rather defensive. As to birds being good fodder for GM, I would again
have to offer an opposite view. If one is going to choose an animal
for GM experimentation, no one in their right mind would choose
something that could fly away and spread the GM into the general
population unless they were specifically trying to spread it.
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From: gross@dg-rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross)
Subject: Mars Face
Date: 22 Jan 90 22:21:22 GMT
-+
-+ From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
-+ Subject: Re: Some personal thoughts
-+ Date: 17 Jan 90 21:50:00 GMT
-+
-+ You raise interesting questions. I find the Lazar suggestion that the
-+ gravity amplifiers reach out and grab a piece of their destination and
-+ stretch it to be fairly unconvincing. The dicountinuties and
-+ distortions that would cause would be tremendous not to mention the
-+ problems of aiming at something many light years away.
Jim, as I've already said before, I'm not a physicist. But it seems to
me that warpping space/time like he indicates would have repercussions
that would be detectable.
Consider what he says happens, they fold the space/time fabric and then
allow it to "pop" back in place. The effects of such manipulations
would cause a tremendous wrinkle in the S/T fabric and the side-effects
could not be minimal. All objects with gravity create a distortion in
the S/T fabric. The larger the gravity field the larger the distortion
of local S/T fabric and the further away this local distortion is felt.
The Sun causes a tremendous distortion that is felt even here on Earth
some 93 million miles away. Then there are black holes, theory but a
very serious theory. These black holes cause an incredible distortion
of the S/T fabric not only locally but, if current speculation is
correct, also over tremendous distances. Enough to form galaxies,
according to current thinking.
If the UFOs did indeed use gravity for propulsion in the manner he
indicates, the distortions to the S/T fabric throughout the galaxy would
have to be incredible. And it would be noticeable even with our level
of technology. This does not mean that there might not be a way to
harness gravity as a means of travel both on and off planet. But I
seriously doubt that one would simply point the amplifiers at a distant
object and then fold S/T.
Gene
-+ From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
-+ Subject: Odds and Ends
-+ Date: 19 Jan 90 08:54:00 GMT
-+
-+
-+ Yes, Gene, I'm very interested in it, and have been following it since
-+ the first OMNI story, what, 7 years ago? Its another case that I
-+ straddle the fence on. I'm not terribly impressed with Mr. Hoagland's
-+ .........................................................
Jim, I'm not sure when the first article appeared. I remember thinking
at the time, "shades of the National Enquirer." But then I read
Hoagland's book and started thinking about it. Hoagland was far too
ready to proclaim that we'd found evidence that we are not alone to suit
me.
So I contacted the people at the Mars Project for further information.
I got plenty, including some photographs of the Face. I set about
studying the material for myself. I now think that we are dealing with
something very unusual. If the Face and other objects are of natural
origins, they are among the most rare and unique anywhere in this solar
system. For this reason alone the objects are worth serious study. If
they turn out not to be of natural origin, then I think we have to
really deal with when and where did the "builders" of such objects come
from. Could these objects then become a real version of the monolith
from Clarke's fictional stories?
Among the things that I think folks would be interested in:
Using state-of-the-art fractal analysis of Cydonia (where the objects
were discovered), Dr. Mark Carlotto, Head of Applied Intelligence
Division, the Analytical Sciences Corporation, said he tried to develop
criteria to identify possible non-natural objects on planetary surfaces.
Based on his findings, Dr. Carlotto has said, "I hope that NASA would
broaden the SETI charter to look at this Viking imagery."
Erol Torun, a cartographer for the Defense Mapping Agency, has been
studying the D&M pyramid, a five-sided structure located near the Face.
He has demonstrated that the pyramid has a regular geometry that
expresses mathematical constants in such a manner as to suggest that it
is a product of intelligent design. "The geometrty is principally
expressed in e and pi and the square root of 3 and 5."
Further, Erol has examined the pyramid and compared it to objects that
may have been formed by wind wrosion. He concludes that the D&M
pyramidal structure did not appear to be formed by wind streaming
because it is five-sided, and it is a symmetrical structure. Other
pyramidal structures on Mars were examined. He said that they were the
result of slumping and mass wasting and it is conceivable that they
could be formed by wind.
His conclusion is, "It behooves us to find out what happened to produce
such objects that cannot be found on earth or on any photograph we have
of Mars."
Personally, I think there is good reason to tie in the study of UFOs and
the Face. Both are enough to keep an independent researcher busy for
the rest of his or her life.
As you point out, the standard response from the established scientific
community is "Kermit the Frog." That simply points out the closed
minded approach of our friends on that side of the fence.
Gene
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P.S.
On the alien inbreeding, I wonder if it is possible to manipulate genes
to such a degree that one could implant a certain amount of "alien"
genetic DNA into the cells. This leads me to another possibility that
of genetic experimentation to cause a more intelligent creature to
evolve. Could this explain the sudden appearance of Cro-Magnon man and
the sudden demise of the Neanderthal man?
Just something to think about.
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Burke
Subject: Re: A New Book
Date: 23 Jan 90 00:01:00 GMT
Gregg: Do you mean _The October Scenario_ by Kevin Randle? (Sorry, I
haven't read it.)
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From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jerry.Woody
Subject: cows
Date: 23 Jan 90 02:03:00 GMT
->Let me guess, there was either no tracks, or the ones that
->were found were not normal to the area.
->I wonder if the cow's tracks lead to the location where the
->cow had been found ? Or if it appeard the cow had been
->dropped or lowered into that location. If it was winter
Well, we never got any farther than the initial news story. The Police
report in the newspaper gave no names. We got the impression from the
Sheriff Dept. that it was none of our business & that we really shouldn't
persue it any farther since it was 'under investigation' and no information
would be released.
There had been 'satanic cult' activity in the area, but all the authorities
found were dead chickens.
There was another strange report in the Decatur Daily. It was doing a story
on satanic cults and listed some animal mute events. I don't think i have
the article to this one so I'm quoting from memory. This was about a cattle
mutilation in Blount County, which neighbors Cullman on the East. I think
the identical cuts were made to this farmers' cow, but he also stated that
he found a very strange dart or arrow "that he had never seen the like of
before" beside the cow. They wrote it up to satanic cults so no further info
was given.
Jerry.
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