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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 115
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 115
Saturday, December 30th 1989
Today's Topics:
The Secrets of Dreamland
The Secrets Of Dreamland
speaking engagements
Re: Lazar And His Amazing Saucers
Re: Blue Book Expungement
Re: Lazar/area51
Away in Canada, December 28 - January 9
A few questions
The Star of Bethlehem
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: The Secrets of Dreamland
Date: 28 Dec 89 07:40:00 GMT
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(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service
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Reprinted with exclusive permission to ParaNet Information
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PROBING THE SECRETS OF NELLIS AIR FORCE BASE
By Steve Douglass
If you are ever on Highway 6, just outside of the little
town of Tonopah, Nevada, and you can brave the heat, the
rattlesnakes, and the isolation of the desert, get out of your
car and wait. If you are patient enough you just might be amazed
by what you'll see.
At first you'll only hear it, a high-pitched whining sound
in the distance. Risking eye damage, you squint into the desert
glare trying to locate the source of the sound. Suddenly you'll
see it. It's an ominous-looking aircraft, perfectly flat on the
bottom, pyramidal on the top.
Roaring across the high desert with its twin tail and swept
back wings, it looks like a large black swallow. As it gets
closer, you'll feel the urge to duck down among the lizards and
the cacti. Such action is meaningless, though, for if you can
see it, it can see you. So just stand and watch the Nighthawk go
through its paces.
Since the beginning of the year, the F-117A Nighthawk
stealth fighter has been engaged in daylight training missions
from its secret base in Nevada. Still considered off limits to
the press and public, the security forces at the base take a dim
view of prying eyes. However, once in a while the Nighthawk must
leave its protective nest.
It is on these rare occasions, when the Nighthawk is not
surrounded by razor wire, patrolling dogs or security teams, that
is when you might catch the F-117A strutting its stuff.
The secret Tonopah base is part of the Nellis Air Force Base
military operations area. This secret range, which covers a
large portion of south central Nevada, is the home of the Air
Force's top secret proving grounds. Edwards Air Force Base was
once the premier testing center but now is considered too public
to test top secret stealth aircraft. The F-117 base on the
northwest corner of Nellis is remote and removed from all but the
most determined.
The F-117A Nighthawk is the official name of the stealth
fighter bu those who fly it have nicknamed it "The Wobbly
Goblin." At slow speeds, the fighter is apparently hard to
handle, hence, the odd title. Another term for the aircraft is
"the sacred airplane" because when people see it for the first
time they usually remark "Oh my God!"
A total of 49 are thought to be based on the Tonopah range,
also known as Mellon Strip. The secret base, located in Area 30
on the Nellis range, consists of 72 nuclear hardened, specially
built hangers for these secret aircraft.
The pilots who fly the F-117 are members of a new elite
unit, the 445th Tactical Group. Most of the pilots first flew F-
111 Aardvarks or have Wild Weasel experience. The special unit,
known as "Team One-Furtim Vigilans" (vigilant by stealth) became
operational in 1983.
Becuase of the secret nature of their missions, the pilots
are not allowed to acknowledge to civilian air traffic
controllers what type of craft they are flying. If asked, they
are to say they are an A-7 Corsair.
Team One squadron is not the only squadron flying strange-
looking aircraft on the Tonopah range. The 447th test and
evaluation squadron, the Red Eagles, is based there as well. The
Red Eagles fly authentic Soviet fighters. Captured in
Afghanistan and turned over to the U.S., Mig 17s, 19s, 21s, 23s,
25s, 27s and Sukhoi Su20 Fighters are flown regularly in Nellis'
Red Flag war games.
Occuring almost every eight weeks, the Red Flag exercises
are conducted in much the same way as the Navy's Top Gun school
is used to train USAF pilots in dissimilar air combat tactics.
What better way to train than against real Soviet fighters? To
add to the realism, the Nellis range even is dotted with real
Soviet air defense radars and SAMS (surface to air missiles) to
give training pilots the feel of the real thing.
There is yet another secret base located in the middle of
Nellis. Groom Lake, in an area called Dreamland, is known to be
the test base of the mysterious Aurora and the F-19 stealth
fighter. The Aurora, the stealth replacement for the SR-71
Blackbird and the F-19, the stealth replacement for the F-15
Eagle, is said to be flying from the Watertown Strip.
Teh Air Force has reportedly been testing the two top secret
aircraft in Dreamland, Area 51, since 1980. (The SR-71 Blackbird
was test flown in complete secrecy.) Other aircraft likely to be
test flown from Dreamland in the near future are prototypes for
the ATF (Advanced Tactical Fighter), the Phalanx Dragon, a
stealth helicopter killer, and the A-12 (Navy Advanced Tactical
Aircraft), a replacement for the A-6 intruder.
Although the bulk of stealth aircraft operations seem to be
centered around Nevada, it is said that stealth aircraft have
been seen at other bases as well. Last April the USAF said the
F-117A would be used at bases nationwide to help integrate thge
stealth technology within the rest of the Air Force inventory.
The F-117A has been seen flying near Yuma, Arizona; Edwards AFB
in Calfiornia, and Kadena AFB in Okinawa.
Recently it was rumored that F-117s are being stationed at
the recently opened Roswell Air Force Base in New Mexico. The
Roswell strip was constructed originally for heavy bombers during
WWII and Vietnam but closed in the late sixties. Residents of th
area report that strange aircraft are once again slying out of
the base. The White Sands missile range is not far from Roswell
and the F-117A may be using the range to test the stealth cruise
missile, General Dynamics AGM-129.
Another black aircraft program by General Dynamics known
only as Project 100 is even more secret ahtn all other stealth
programs. Little is known about the project except that it is
thought to be test flying out of Holliman AFB near Alamagordo,
New Mexico, and only at night. A military radio net has been
heard on various frequencies in the Holloman area (see frequency
list) and it may be the testing of the Project 100 aircraft.
MONITORING
Trying to monitor the secret air force is nearly as hard as
catching a glimpse of them. Best bets are the HF and UHF
frequencies of the flight test bases and aircraft manufacturers.
Also, a good place to monitor would be SAC and TAC frequencies.
Another good place to listen is air traffic control centers near
test areas.
So get cracking, heat up your set, and maybe you'll be the
first to monitor the top secret Aurora and F-19!
FREQUENCIES
HOLLOMAN AFB, ALAMAGORDO, NEW MEXICO
Approach 324.3 MHz UHF
Departure 255.9 MHz UHF
Holloman flight test net/White Sands
Primary 260.8 MHz UHF
Secondary 264.9 MHz UHF
Other UHF frequencies monitored
397.9, 353.6, 364.2, 376.1, 189.4, and 251.1
HF link 9.023 MHz USB
SATCOM links mentioned 262.925 MHz uplink; 297.525 downlink
Call signs heard: Sierra Papa, Sierra Pete, Ringmaster,
Battlestaff, Guardian Papa, Dark Star, Dark Star Oscar
ROSWELL AIR FIELD, NEW MEXICO
Approach 239.6 MHz UHF
Tower 272.7 MHz UHF
Military Net
Primary 305.6 MHz UHF
Secondary 397.9 MHz UHF
Other frequencies monitored
259.2, 305.6, 348.7
NELLIS AFB, NEVADA
Approach 279.7 MHz UHF
Tower 324.3 MHz UHF
Ground control 275.8 MHz UHF
Clearance Delivery 289.4 MHz UHF
ATIS 270.1 MHz UHF
Nellis Military Operations Area
Dreamland base 255.8 MHz UHF
Sally corridor 343.0 MHz UHF
Groom Lake approach 361.3 MHz UHF
Watertown Strip approach 297.65 MHz UHF
EDWARDS AFB, CALIFORNIA
Tower 269.9 MHz UHF
Edwards command post
(Conform) 304.0 MHz UHF
Edwards VHF ground
control 121.8 Mhz UHF
Edwards approach 318.1 MHz UHF
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: The Secrets Of Dreamland
Date: 28 Dec 89 20:42:00 GMT
> Reprinted with exclusive permission to ParaNet
> Information
> Service.
In my posting of 'Probing the Secrets of Nellis Air Force
Base' I erred in getting the full acknowledgements in the
message.
Monitoring Times Magazine was the source for this article.
ParaNet thanks Bob Grove for his permission in allowing the
reprinting of that article.
Monitoring Times is published monthly and is available for
$18.00 per year.
For a subscription, send your payment to:
Monitoring Times
P.O. Box 98
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bill.English
Subject: speaking engagements
Date: 28 Dec 89 21:10:00 GMT
This is to annouce that Bill English is now available for speaking
engagements around the country. If you are interested please contact
him at P.O. Box 3508,BRS, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310, or call
(505)434-4624 or (505)434-3254......
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Lazar And His Amazing Saucers
Date: 27 Dec 89 20:14:00 GMT
I have been reading quite a few things lately discussing "scientific"
investigation of UFO's, and how we can't get scientists interested,
etc, etc. I am beginning to wonder if "we" aren't barking up the wrong
tree. Are UFO's really, at least at this time, really the type of
phenomenon that are appropriate subject matter for "scientists" to
study? When you have a murder, kidnapping, theft, etc, you don't call
out the scientists from the local University to try and solve the
mystery, at least, not as the primary investigators. You might use
them to analyze a specific piece of evidence, but hardly to run the
investigation. Perhaps that is why there tends to be little interest
generated by scientist in the overall phenomenon, it is really out of
their field of expertise since we can't even figure out what "field"
the study properly belongs in; is it magnetics, gravatics, EM theory,
psychology, WHAT??? Before we can get the scientists involved we would
need to pin down what it is to be studied. Having said that, the next
problem is, who (whom?) is the proper group(s) to study it. From my
perspective, anyone (discipline) that has a background in problem
solving/investigation, would be a likely choice(s). When formulated in
that context, the next problem is that any person or discipline that
would meet those criteria is not going to get the needed funding to do
a UFO study. The only time this was even close to being done was the
group involved in the Condon Report. It seems to be a catch 22
situation; Scientists concievably could get reseach funding but right
now we are ready for that sort of research, we would need to have a
"crashed saucer" and its propulsion system for that sort of study to be
appropriate, and even then, much of it would be concerned more with
reverse engineering then with "science" per se.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Blue Book Expungement
Date: 27 Dec 89 20:24:00 GMT
Let me put on my conspiracy cap and suggest that the removal of the
names is merely an excuse for going back thru the material to remove
much more then just the names. They had to have some obstensible
reason to spend time and money going back thru those files since they
claim they don't "mean" anything.
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Steve.Gresser
Subject: Re: Lazar/area51
Date: 28 Dec 89 04:13:00 GMT
Geez, maybe we can get that Jim character to upgrade HIS BBS to the new
software, so he doesn't keep bugging us about all the damned problems
he has! (It's a joke, Jim, just don't de-access me!) We'll see you
later, Mr. Corbin, and good luck on your secret NSA outings!
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Away in Canada, December 28 - January 9
Date: 29 Dec 89 05:45:22 GMT
Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter
I'm spending ten days at home in Winnipeg, Manitoba (Canada), so I'll
reply to your letter the moment that I return!
If it's an emergency, I can be contacted at (204) 889-4196 / 885-7290.
Since I'll be in Central Time and in Canada, it's cheapest to call
after 12 midnight from Eastern or Atlantic time zones.
gld
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-+ gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU *temp. Gretzky gets the rebound -
-+ gld@cunixc.BITNET he shoots, he scores!
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From: gross@dg-rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross)
Subject: A few questions
Date: 29 Dec 89 16:21:04 GMT
-+
-+ From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
-+ Subject: KVEG/Lazar Transcript #1
-+ Date: 28 Dec 89 01:19:00 GMT
-+
-+ ========================================================
-+ (C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service
-+ All Rights Reserved unless copyrighted by Author.
-+ ========================================================
-+
-+ Below is the transcript of the Billy Goodman Happening Show
-+ as it aired on December 20, 1989. Robert Lazar was the guest of
-+ Billy Goodman.
-+
-+ ==================================================================
-+
-+ 12/20/89
-+ Billy Goodman
-+
-+ Goodman:
-+ What exactly does Area S-4 mean?
-+
-+ Lazar:
-+ I really don't know. It might be referred to as "Site" 4 --
-+ that might be what the "S" is for, but I really don't know.
-+ There are THREE S-4's in all of the Nevada Test Site. The
-+ nuclear test site itself is a small area, and it has "sites"
-+ or "areas" 1 to 29 or 30. The S-4 there, I think, is a
-+ nuclear reactor. There's an S-4 just south of the Tonopah test
-+ range. And there's an S-4 -- the one that I worked at -- just
-+ south of Groom Lake.
S-4 could mean any number of things. Military designations don't have
to make sense from one generation to the next. Most probably the
meaning is just that "Site" four. The significance of such a
designation may be in the fact that it is mundane. When trying to hide
something you don't want to call attention to it. If they had a dozen
B-4s and wanted to conceal a secret project, what better way to begin
the concealment process than calling the area in which the project is
located "B-4." Anyone trying to discover the project would have to
begin sifting through all of the mundane to find it.
Were I the agent-in-charge (OIC for you military types), I would put
multiple layers of the mundane between the project and the real world.
This way should the first couple of layers be breeched there would be
more still to wade through. Setting trap-doors along the way and alarms
as to when each layer has been breeched would further safeguard the
project. The initial responses would range from mere denial to active
disinformation. Once someone got too close than more "personal"
measures might be in order--depending upon the orders (always verbal)
and the security level of the project. If the project is funded from
black budgets (solely), then the security level will be extremely high
and the orders would probably involve "wet-work," as well as less
extreme measures in the early stages.
If in fact Lazar has been privy to such secrets, I'm a bit amazed that
he is still alive. However, another possiblity does exist, which some
may not want to accept. Mr. Lazar may just be blowing smoke--feeding a
fantasy. He may be part of the overall concealment effort. The
compartmentalization that he talks about is not anything new and is
fairly common knowledge to anyone who has examined and researched secret
projects. It is a standard intelligence MO. Even at MCC, Bobby Inman
instituted a similar thing--though not nearly so severe and without the
usual sanctions against breaking "quarantine."
I do admit that a lot of what Lazar says is fascinating and that there
is a good deal of truth to some of the things. I can't speak to the
veracity of some things like Element 115, creating artificial gravity,
and the like. My expertise is not in those areas. I have yet to read
anything from those with expertise in such things that would support or
contradict Mr. Lazar--people with expertise who have looked into what
Lazar has said, inasmuch as anyone can look into these things.
The thing to always keep in mind is that when you enter into the murky
world of government secrets and the intelligence community: you have
entered into a world of chimeras and chameleons. What you think you see
may merely be an illusion--or--it may be a reality. The more secret a
thing is the more illusions you'll have to deal with. Often the thing
you seek will be right there in front of you the whole time. Only the
trained eye will spot it, and even then it might be extremely difficult
for the trained eye to spot.
-+
-+ Tom from Los Angeles:
-+ How can UFOs be kept secret for 40 years?
-+
-+ Lazar:
-+ I did pose that question to some people at S-4, and the
-+ answer that I got was that it's the easiest thing TO keep
-+ secret because of the subject matter.
-+
-+ Tom:
-+ Is that because it's tied in with a lot of parapsychology-
-+ psychic-type stuff -- National Enquirer?
-+
-+ Lazar:
-+ Maybe so. There is so much disinformation made so available
-+ to the public via the tabloids and things like that that
-+ any true information getting out is assumed to originate
-+ from those sources.
This would certainly make sense. It is one of the reasons that credible
witnesses with excellent credentials would not, and have not, come
forward to tell of their own experiences and sightings. Few are willing
to take the risk.
-+
-+ Tom:
-+ Carl Sagan is a "people" scientist; he's brought science
-+ down to the general public. What about getting him involved
-+ in this somehow?
-+
-+ Lazar:
-+ I imagine he's fairly open-minded. I've never met him.
-+
-+ Tom:
-+ He's one of the biggest UFO debunkers.
-+
-+ Lazar:
-+ He's going to need his own proof, as everyone should require.
-+ It's impossible to make an absolute believer out of someone
-+ that hasn't had hands-on experience or has seen something for
-+ themselves. That's the way any scientist is going to look
-+ at it.
Personally, I'd discount Sagan and others as being potential allies.
Consider what they have to gain (maintain ?) versus what they stand to
lose.
One last thing before I close. Do not let what you "wish" for to become
the evidence for a thing.
Gene Gross
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From: paranet!f401.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bob.Fletcher
Subject: The Star of Bethlehem
Date: 30 Dec 89 05:11:00 GMT
Well it's that time of the year again and I guess its a good time to
think about some of the origins of that first Christmas.
I am sure this has been covered before but I have not read anything on
it. I am talking about the mystery of the Star of Bethlehem. Many
scientists have pondered over that star suggesting such things as it
being a supernova, comet or meteor. But none of these would have
behaved in the manner that is described by Matthew.
The Magi it would seem came from Persia and >Bob, unless i am very much mistaken, the "new files since last
>logon" doesn't seem to work or is it maybe that noone has uploaded
I placed a few new uploads in last night and noticed the same thing. I
will have to checked my config as it works on dates so the new files
uploaded should carry the date of upload. It is an option that I will have
to check on.
Bob.....
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