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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 101
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 101
Thursday, December 14th 1989
Today's Topics:
info
Re: Klass Of Fyffe
Re: Tesla
Klass *has* visited UFO sites!
Re: The State Of Events
Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter
Re: Las Vegas Program
Tesla/QM
Re: Tesla
Ufo's - Where they visit
Re: Las Vegas Program
Re: Tesla
Re: Klass Of Fyffe
Re: Klass *has* visited UFO sites!
N.A.R.G.
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From: GRAHAM@iucf.bitnet
Subject: info
Date: 12 Dec 89 20:22:17 GMT
I've been reading with interest the saga about Lazar/Area51.
A question:
Where may one obtain an "uncut" videotape of this story as
aired by KLAS-TV?
THANKS in advance.
GRAHAM@IUCF.BITNET
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Klass Of Fyffe
Date: 12 Dec 89 23:54:00 GMT
> Yes, so in a 'round-about-way' I guess the criteria set by
> Klass in OMNI has been met.....
>
Well, he'd probably say the people in London who watched the things for
hours in 1745 were sniffing swamp gas. Or something. I believe George I
(or II) was one of the observers, or possibly it was William Pitt the Elder?
Not sure. And I seem to recall George Frederick Handel noted them in his
diaries or correspondence, too. (Fascinating man, Handel:
He spoke German, Italian, English & French. Wrote musical notations in
Italian, letters in French & German, kept diaries in whatever language he
was working in at the time. ANY-way...)
> Speaking of European sightings/encounters, I knew very
> little about them except from the bits & pieces from the
> major news agencies.
Good historical records of UFO phenomena in Europe dating back to the Romans
at least. The London "Aeroplane Scare" of the early '30s is a good, more
recent example. Very similar to the US "Airship Scare" of the 1890s and
"Aeroplane" wave of 1907-8.
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Tesla
Date: 13 Dec 89 00:30:00 GMT
I would be very interested in attending the Tesla Symposium!
Have you any personal experience in examining or attempting to examine
Tesla's "secret files"? What do you suppose could be in them? Do you think
they have been altered -- as the materials returned to Yugoslavia were
altered to deceive the Soviets?
I'm sure I'll have more questions!
Best,
Clark
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From: keithr@tolkien.wv.tek.com
Subject: Klass *has* visited UFO sites!
Date: 13 Dec 89 01:34:56 GMT
-+From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Ballard
-+Subject: Re: Klass of Fyffe
-+Date: 11 Dec 89 07:43:00 GMT
-+I would hate for people to get the impression that Phil Klass is right
-+on top of every UFO sighting in pursuit of the facts
I second you here, Jeff. Klass is not a UFO investigator like Maccabee,
Friedman, Hopkins, Harder, Druffel, Randles, Philips, Hall, Hynek, the
Lorenzens, Fowler, et al, who have all been to at least 50 or more
sites in their careers. Klass is primarily an armchair enthusiast.
...I believe Susan
-+called Klass as part of her journalistic duties with the newspaper as
-+part of her efforts to present a complete story on the events that
-+were unfolding at the time, not being fully aware of his role as a
-+debunker.
You are right again in my estimation. How would you know how polarized
the situation really is in ufology between the CSICOP style debunkers
and the UFO investigators, if you hadn't spent some time surveying the
literature and doing at least a little of your own investigation? The
small town (or big town) reporter is not at all likely to have done this.
CSICOP and Klass are very publicity conscious, so their phone number is not
hard to come by. In the field of ufology, there is no independent,
unprejudiced viewpoint, though some UFO investigators come close to that
in my mind, such as Richard Haines.
-+What I am trying to
-+say is that I doubt Mr. Klass has ever paid a visit to Fyffe
I think you're dead on, Jeff. CSICOPers! Set us straight! Defend your
man!
or for
-+that matter has ever done any investigation into the sightings of the
-+area. It would really surprise me to hear that Klass actually does
-+any field investigations into UFO sightings.
Uh oh, Jeff, I think you are going to be surprised if we can trust
Klass's writing, a perilous thing to do I know! If memory serves, Klass
detailed his on-site investigations of the famous Delphos, Kansas case
in UFOs: The Public Deceived, or maybe it was UFOs Explained. Klass
also told of how he obtained some aerial photos of the farm from some
federal outfit in Utah, a clever thing to do. He has in the past done
some actual phoning and interviewing of UFO witnesses. Many prominent
UFO researchers have complained, however, that Klass writes about cases
never having even bothered to interview the witnesses.
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From: paranet!p0.f18.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Mac.Druaidh
Subject: Re: The State Of Events
Date: 11 Dec 89 03:28:00 GMT
BS} 10-4 on that. It's Witch's Sabath starting sundown the
BS} 20th and lasting until sunrise on the 21st.
What's the connection between Witchcraft and Satanism? From where I hail
from, they're two entirely different systems. A lot of peace-loving,
non-baby-killing Wiccans I know would take severe offense at such a
connection.
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From: davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.com
Subject: Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter
Date: 13 Dec 89 14:21:26 GMT
-+ If the so called "TOP" quark is not found to exist after
-+ construction of the 6 billion dollar super collider in
-+ Texas, then the whole theory of quarks will have to be
-+ thrown out. Finally, then, after all this time, we could
-+ turn to trying NEW THEORIES, that would accomodate
-+ controversial thinkers like Tesla, Golka, and Grotz.
To repeat an old quote "absence of evidence is not evidence of
absence." Failure to prove a theory correct does not prove it incorrect.
Only if some results are shown which contradict the current theories
will major rethinking be in order.
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From: paranet!p0.f18.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Mac.Druaidh
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Program
Date: 11 Dec 89 03:29:00 GMT
MC} send the tape and postage to get it to you (and if
No problem - but can you dub it onto 8mm video, by any chance? I'd have to
borrow a VHS machine and dub over otherwise.
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From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)
Subject: Tesla/QM
Date: 13 Dec 89 22:51:23 GMT
Tesla coils are low amperage, high frequency, high voltage
transformers and are sold over the counter at scientific
supply houses to test vacuum systems, etc. There is nothing
about them that is not well-understood by EE's.
There is some evidence that intense Electromagnetic
fields may cause chromosome breakage and cancer in humans as well
as damage to cultured cells. The evidence is preliminary and not
very convincing yet, but the suspicion is there. For this reason,
courts have forced utility companies to move high tension lines
away from schools. The Russians think microwaves per se are
dangerous. I wouldn't be too eager to implement Tesla's
broadcast power scheme until better environmental and health impact
data are available.
The status of Quantum mechanics itself would be unaffected
by the failure to find the Top Quark, though the standard model
for particle physics would have to be revised. Theorists are
ready, I've already seen an article on a 5-quark model.
All local hidden variable theories that might restore
determinism to physics have failed experimental tests. QM, like
Evolution, is a fact of Nature.
Contrary to common belief, young scientists would love to upset
the received wisdom in their fields. It happened in Physics
with the discovery of Parity non-conservation, and in Molecular
biology with the discovery of Reverse Transcription in retroviruses
(like AIDS) and hepatitis B virus. Another example is the immune system;
the older theory was that the antigen somehow "instructs" the system.
We now know that it is constrained, but random variation and selection
that creates high affinity antibodies. Cellular Darwinism, if you like.
--John Chalmers
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!T.s..Bennett
Subject: Re: Tesla
Date: 13 Dec 89 08:49:00 GMT
I have a clearance, but it is nowhere near high enough to get to view
the Tesla files. Get on board the Tesla BBs for more direct info from
Toby Grotz.
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From: paranet!f401.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Mark.Jose
Subject: Ufo's - Where they visit
Date: 14 Dec 89 05:44:00 GMT
Hello all.
My initial observation concerning UFO sitings seems to point to the
majority of these sitings occurring in the USA. I may be wrong.
Well, regardless of whether I am right or wrong, I would like to see some
statistics (on a continent/country by continent/country basis) of these
sitings.
On the premise that the above assumption is correct, the next question that
arises is why? I can only hazard a guess that:
1. The USA contains technical knowledge superior to any other
nation.
2. The USA is seen as a possible threat to these "visitors".
3. The USA citizens are more observant to the "phenomena" than other
continents/countries.
4. Or maybe you are all raving lunatics who see not only spots
before your eyes but big silver saucers??!!?? :-)
For sure other countries have experienced these "phenomena" but the USA
seems to be the prominent sighter of these objects.
Why doesn't the USSR experience the same amount of sitings. Perhaps they
are not as technically advanced as the USA or maybe the people don't like to
look up much (all you see is grey sky anyway :-> ).
Lastly, the idea/inference was made by Lazar that monies destined for SDI
were in fact being used to fund this "secret base" in the desert. Well, I
don't know much about SDI suffice to say that it is a glorified (and rather
expensive one at that) early warning system. Regardless of what it is
supposed to do I fail to see how enough money could be diverted away from
public scrutiny (taken off the books so to speak) and placed into the "care"
of the "Uniforms".
Regards to you all,
MJ.
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Program
Date: 14 Dec 89 00:01:00 GMT
> No problem - but can you dub it onto 8mm video, by any
> chance? I'd have to borrow a VHS machine and dub over
> otherwise.
Sorry. Just the VHS format.
Mike
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From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Tesla
Date: 14 Dec 89 03:24:00 GMT
Just logged onto the Tesla BBS. Looks like they're just starting up.
Still, I'll get back on there later this week to see what's known.
Thanks for the info. I think there's much interest in Tesla & his
technologies and theories -- but not enough experimental proof. Yet.
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jerry.Woody
Subject: Re: Klass Of Fyffe
Date: 14 Dec 89 04:53:00 GMT
->Well, he'd probably say the people in London who watched
->the things for hours in 1745 were sniffing swamp gas. Or
You know what the scary thing is here.... many people would believe him! The
way the press have explained things 'they' would *probably* use it as an
explanation. For example, a few months ago a big deal was made about a
sighting in Trussville, Al. Supposedly, many witnesses + police officers saw
a brilliant, twinkling object that remained stationary for 20 minutes then
moved away. Well, the press had satellite transmitter trucks, live
newscasts, The Works there the next few nights. Theories ranged from Jupiter
to Mercury to Sirius. Some astromoners arrived one night and declared it was
Sirius (I think) since it was in the same spot of the sky that the object
was observed. The press took that explanation and that was all that was said
about it in the press. I'm still trying to figure out, tho, how Sirius stood
stationary for 20 minutes then moved slowly away out of view.....
JWW
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Klass *has* visited UFO sites!
Date: 14 Dec 89 05:35:00 GMT
In a message to infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com <12-13-89 20:47> Jim Delton wrote:
->I think your condemnations of Klass are a little overbroad.
-> While he does at times offer airchair opinions (don't we
-> all) he, as well as many other CISOP debunkers, have also
->done quite a bit of on-site look-see. In addition, they
->often are able to simply take the info that the UFOLOGISTs
->have provided and by simply looking at it and analyzing it
->from a different viewpoint draw very reasonable prosaic
->conclusions. Many debunkers are quite good at proper
->analysis of data, often much better, in fact, the the so
->called UFO investigators.
Yes, Jim, but their job is a lot easier than ours. Look at it this way: 90%
of all cases are prosaically explainable, so most of their work is done for
them already, and they have much more they can point to in support of their
arguments. We only have 10% of the database to support ours.
Jim <extracting tongue from cheek>
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!T.s..Bennett
Subject: N.A.R.G.
Date: 13 Dec 89 20:01:00 GMT
Nevada Aerial Research Group, P.O.Box 81407, Las Vegas,
NV, 89180-1407, puts out a periodic newsletter that one can
obtain by becoming a member, $20 a year, and is apparently
headed by John Grace, aka Vladimir Valerian. The "board of
editors", contains some ex "pilots", recruited from the
ranks of Air Force, Army, and Navy (Marine) personnel, for
the purpose of learning to "fly" strange and enigmatic
machinery in Area 51 and elsewhere. Being "manly men
all", they are instinctively protective of their position of
semi authority regarding new forms of "military travel". I
say "semi authority" because all of them have been let in
and let out of service, on a compartmentalized "need to
know" basis. None of them knows the whole picture. Even with
the formation of this group, N.A.R.G., which, in spite of
the controversial and far reaching concepts dealt with, is
still no better than an overblown "coffee clutch",
periodically meeting around different breakfast tables in
Vegas to discuss what info, gathered from various sources,
to put into the newsletter. They would disagree with this
point, some being retirees from active operations who have
actually seen and "piloted" exotic machinery, and then
retired for reasons stated above, i.e., the controllers want
nobody to have the "whole picture".
Personnel are chosen for service at Area 51 and other
areas for their known security background which needs to be
the highest and cleanest possible, excellent mechanical
aptitudes, and high I.Q.s. Recruits from Army, Navy/Marines,
matriculate through George Air Force Base, CA., Air Force
recruits go through Nellis AFB. After induction, security
clearances are taken into the "clouds" (upping their pride),
and other well known techniques are used to garner paranoia
and "cliquish patriotism". Somewhat like the Waffen SS, Uber
Alles. As a result of "hardening", they are constantly made
more PROTECTIVE of the information they have been "LED" to
"BELIEVE", and the "SOURCE" of the equipment they have been
trained to handle. One didn't have to be a pilot with flight
time to be chosen for training, in fact, this was sometimes
found to be a drawback when trying to learn "new techniques"
of managing idiosyncratic machinery. Pilot John Lear was
always a "wanna be", and thought that he should have been
included in this "old boy network", but he was never
inducted to "service" or allowed access to Area 51, even
though he knows and confers with the regents of N.A.R.G.
There is some contact between "active" personnel, and
N.A.R.G. Reputedly to tease him, "someone" set down in a
"sport model" saucer in Lear's backyard one day, but only
his wife and one kid saw it. That ticked him off no end!
N.A.R.G. was started about a decade ago, subsequent
"board members" have NOT BEEN PRIVY to mechanical advances
that have occurred since they were let out of the loop,
"privatized", "controlled", and drawn into the N.A.R.G.
fold. It's obvious the typical modus operandi of whoever is
controlling development and testing of these exotic "flying
machines", and "propulsion systems", is separating into
different "cells", the different research groups, and giving
them no interaction or knowledge of each other's progress or
reason for being. It makes for VERY SLOW PROGRESS on things
which need wide exposure to MANY INVENTIVE MINDS. Of course
exposure to many inventive minds, WOULD HAVE LET IT OUT OF
THE BAG BEFORE NOW.
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