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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 095
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 95
Tuesday, December 5th 1989
Today's Topics:
Re: The Closest Encounter
Bill Higgins post
Kirlian/115 again
Re: Project Blue Book - Aka A Govt Coverup
Re: comments
AIR FORCE ACADEMY EXPULSIONS
Hungarian Sitings, Rocky Mtn News, 12/4/89
Re: Lazar and his Amazing Saucers
Re: Comments
Re: Japan Video
Re: Comments
NSTA and UFOS
Re: comments
Klass of Fyffe
MacArthur and MUFON
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From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: Re: The Closest Encounter
Date: 3 Dec 89 14:45:00 GMT
> Ya wanna know what it kinda looked like to me? Something
> like a mutated Opus (Bloom County). To me it appeared to
> have a beak and even appeared to have small legs. To me it
> also appeared to WALK across the window sill. I DO think
> it's a little ify connecting this with the UFOs...I guess
> anything's possible, though.
I didn't see a beak, I thought it looked like it's "head" was above the
center of the window. I also thought it looked like it was just inside the
window and not on the window itself, but I could be wrong.
I thought it might have been something like a shower curtain blowing when
the heater kicked on or something on that order.
But who knows, maybe it was a "demonic" "alien" of some type that
materialized inside their house. To me it did not appear to move as a
human would move and was not concerned that they should see it through the
window.
I think the odds are greater that it was a blowing curtain or something of
that nature, but I have investigated some strange things and there is always
the possibility that it was "something" of another nature. It could be the
entire purpose of the "thing" was just to be seen on the video tape to make
people wonder about what it really was.
I would need to see the house just as it was when the video was taken and I
would also like to know if these people have had anything to do with
witchcraft type activities or perhaps have certain items in their house that
could be responsible or in some way connected to the image that appeard in
the window.
...Bryon
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From: shelmrei@nmsu.edu
Subject: Bill Higgins post
Date: 4 Dec 89 18:36:23 GMT
Bill Higgins copied post says:
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Unfortunately, it turned out to be a bust. We showered muons on our
115 sample rods for weeks on end. The decay chain ends, after a
rather short time, at 106Pd. And Pd has a tremendous affinity for
hydrogen, and anti-hydrogen. ...
Having established that it wasn't a miracle energy source, most labs
pretty much lost interest. At mine, we took the experiment apart and
went on to more interesting work. The sample rods were lying around
the lab for a while, though, come to think of it, I haven't seen them
in a couple of years. I suppose somebody scrounged them for another
experiment. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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I think the "joke" here is not about Area 51 or anything else
UFO-related, but the "cold fusion" experiments which used Palladium
rods.
Stephen Helmreich (shelmrei@nmsu.edu)
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From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)
Subject: Kirlian/115 again
Date: 5 Dec 89 02:16:01 GMT
Jim: Thanks for reminding me of the Kirlian Photography article
in the Skeptical Inquirer.
McLeod/Higgins: The Element 115 item is a very clever and amusing
parody. Even if one can't follow the physics, the "Popular Mechanics"
reference gives it away.
The 109 Pd (Palladium) as the end of the decay chain
is an allusion to the recent "Cold Fusion" work which, while having
interesting aspects, could not be confirmed. The sociology of the Cold
Fusion story and the rivalries between the electrochemists and the
physicists was fascinating. It approached the Velikovsky affair in
showing the human side of science, and I don't mean that as a compliment.
The Utah workers clearly erred in prematurely disclosing their results
outside the peer reviewed journal channel, the University greedily
latched onto the alleged discovery, and a Cal Tech physicist descended to
personal attacks and name calling on TV.
-John Chalmers
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Project Blue Book - Aka A Govt Coverup
Date: 4 Dec 89 18:44:00 GMT
>Truth is not the strong suit of any earth gvt.
That's not being cynical, that is just speaking the truth. To hear
gvt tell it we have oh so many secrets that must never be told, yet we
often find out that so-and-so has been selling secrets to "the other
side for 5 or 10 years before he is discovered. Often presented by the
gvt as a truely major disaster. Well, if it is all so terrible then
how were we able to function for those 5 or 10 years without some
terrible things happening? It is the same story everytime and I always
wonder, if those secrets were so important how could we have survvived
the breach. Of course, when we do find out what they secrets were, as
often as not, it is really nonsense stuff anyways; as you say, secret
more to hide embarrassment then anything meaningfull.
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: comments
Date: 4 Dec 89 18:48:00 GMT
I *think* the Skeptical Inquirer had a fairly recent article (last 3
years or so) on Kirlian Photos, or if not there maybe in the book
"Flim-Flam", by James, the amazing, Randi.
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!T.s..Bennett
Subject: AIR FORCE ACADEMY EXPULSIONS
Date: 4 Dec 89 01:59:00 GMT
Regarding the Air Force Academy expulsions, in the 60s,
I have talked to my personal friend who was expelled in 1965
as a sophomore for "cheating" on certain tests. There was no
recourse, or solace for plebes (freshman), or sophomores who
were found to be "cheating", except expulsion with no
excuses. If you were compromised, you were definitely NOT
AIR FORCE MATERIAL. The so-called "cheating" however was an
institutionalized Air Force method of separating the wheat
from the chaff. Seniors, and other well trusted upper
classmen were chosen each year to try to "give" test results
and answers to lower classmen. Any freshman or sophomore
stupid enough to accept this "aid" was expelled. The seniors
who had provided this info to the lower classmen were of
course protected because they were in on the "sting". This
happened on a grand scale during the sixties, until lower
classmen wised up to the methods being used on them, and
subsequently till this day have held their mud pretty well
without having to seek innapropriate "tutoring".
As to the data that Deyo talks about in his book "The
Cosmic Conspiracy", my friend says that indeed there were
quite a few intensely "different" and "innovative" forms of
conditioning occurring at the academy. He himself remembers
that he was conditioned to accept the possibilities of
sighting "other strange flying craft", and "not panicking",
to find himself ejecting from a $30 million airplane, etc.
He says,"THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO TALK OF ALIEN CREATURES
PILOTING THE CRAFT". He said, "It was always intimated that
these craft would have been designed and built on Earth."
The Air Force Academy uses the same method that is used
by the Marines to break men down to absolutely "empty
hulls", and then build them back up into the kind of
unquestioning personnel needed. In the case of the Air
Force, it creates an even tighter bond than the Marines,
including "in house cliquish patriotism", tight lipped,
security oriented, need to know personalities, similar to
Hitler's Waffen SS.
If the public only knew to what extent the military
studies of mind control have gone from being studies, to
being implemented and used with absolutely POSITIVE RESULTS
EVERY TIME, they would be appalled.
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From: rcw@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Robert White)
Subject: Hungarian Sitings, Rocky Mtn News, 12/4/89
Date: 5 Dec 89 07:17:56 GMT
>From the Rocky Mountain News, Mon. Dec 4, 1989, (without permission), pp. 4:
Meteorologists and military pilots in the western Hungarian town of Papa
reported seeing four large and bright orange unidentified flying objects
after midnight on November 25. Government meteorologist Gyula Bazso said
the objects were spherical and 50-100 yards wide. He said one flew at
the speed of 2,626 mph. Bazso contacted authorities at the local military
airbase who sent up an experienced pilot to investigate. He located the four
objects at a height of around 4 miles. All the UFOs were said to have
disappeared suddenly after 2 a.m.
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Robert White
rcw@scicom.alphacdc.COM
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From: paranet!John.Burke
Subject: Re: Lazar and his Amazing Saucers
Date: 5 Dec 89 01:52:42 GMT
Good theory, Steve! Maybe that might explain why The Prez brought Dr.
Teller along - surely not to share SDI secrets!
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Comments
Date: 5 Dec 89 07:39:00 GMT
> Byron Smith: the creatures you describe sound
> like the popular idea of "Djinns." Are there any
> Muslims on paranet or does anybody know any to talk
> to. I'd like to get a non-Judeo-X'ian perspective for once.
>
Can't palm myself off as a Muslim, but you raise an interesting point about
the Djinn. They were actually rather close to the Celtic spirits -- the
Shee. And they have analogues in almost all other cultures. Suggest you
read Jacques Vallee's "Dimensions" on this very topic. It's fascinating.
> Can anyone provide me with any references to articles
> in reviewed journals on Kirlian photography or "auras"?
> The only one I've seen was in Science during the 1970's
> and it showed that KP's were corona discharges and that
> the patterns were a function of surface roughness,
> moisture, finger pressure, electrical field strength, etc.
>
Funny, but very little has appeared lately about Kirilian photography. I
hadn't thought about it much either, these last few years -- but it is truly
extraordinary. How could corona discharges from surface features account
for it , though? When you cut a leaf in half and make a Kirilian
photo of it -- the photo shows the features of the MISSING HALF! What
accounts for that???
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Japan Video
Date: 5 Dec 89 07:39:00 GMT
That is incredible, Jim! When is this video going to make it to the
airwaves?
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Comments
Date: 5 Dec 89 07:45:00 GMT
> I wonder if a pencil's aura changes
> with its mood?
I wonder if a pencil's aura is still there even if the thing is broken in
two...
It's a mistake to confuse electrostatic characteristics (which are pretty
remarkable) with "auras", methinks....
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: NSTA and UFOS
Date: 5 Dec 89 10:09:00 GMT
What was probably the smallest and least publicized UFO conference of the
year took place at the Hyatt Regency Phoenix last Saturday. For the first
time in history, UFOs were on the agenda for the National Science Teachers
Association annual convention. Four of the very finest Ufologists in the
country addressed about 20 science teachers in a seminar entitled "Using the
UFO Phenomena to Teach Principles of Scientific Inquiry." The four were
Marge Christensen, an educator specializing in computerized literacy
programs; John Schuessler, an aerospace engineer who has worked on every
manned space program since Mercury, and who is Deputy Director of MUFON; Dr.
Richard Haines, a NASA psychologist who has amassed a database of over 3000
pilot UFO reports; and Dr. Michael Swords, Professor of Biology at Western
Michigan University and editor of the Journal of UFO Studies.
If the audience was impressed with the team's credentials, they were even
more impressed with the even-handed and highly scientific presentation of
the subject matter. The point, as Dr. Swords put it, is not whether UFOs are
alien or not, the point is that they present a challenge, not just to the
norms established by science, but to the thought process that is science
itself. Students can be shown procedures such as formulation and testing of
hypotheses, evaluation of experimental results, etc., without being
prejudiced by knowledge of the right answers - there IS no right answer
(yet). More important, students can be taught to question authoritative
statements that have no basis other than strength of conviction.
The presentation was funded in part by the Fund for UFO Research. It was
purposely not publicized in the UFO press; there was a stated fear that
"someone" from the skeptical camp might actually try to quash the event by
pressuring the convention organizers, as has happened in the past with other
UFO events.
The text of the presentations is available now from the Fund, and if
arrangements can be made with them, they may actually be available online.
Jim Speiser
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From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jerry.Woody
Subject: Re: comments
Date: 4 Dec 89 07:41:00 GMT
->"honeycombed." If somebody stepped or fell on an old pair
->of such sunglasses, the result might be similar to the
->reported
->"implant." A hoax is not impossible Someone should contact
John;
You have a very good point there. The only thing that 'troubles' me is that
A) He didn't remember what had happened (at least I believe he said he
didn't know) and B) He recalled under hypnosis about alien beings. Usually
an event like falling and glass imbedding in your leg is memorable. And why
the connection with alien beings with it... Unless, as you pointed out, it's
not impossible that it is a hoax.... Tho after seeing his expression as the
glass object was pulled out of his leg, I tend to think that it's not a
hoax.
Jerry.
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From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jerry.Woody
Subject: Klass of Fyffe
Date: 5 Dec 89 05:03:00 GMT
Well, once again Mr. Phil Klass offers his technical & expert opinion (sorry
for the sarcasm... but it gets old after a while) on why the Fyffe UFOs are
not extraterrestrial. To paraphrase his quote... 'Why would these UFOs
travel across space to keep coming back to Fyffe and not Washington DC,
London, etc.' Hmmmmm..... If a visitor from space didn't want to be detected
yet study a particular planet, I believe it wouldn't chose the seats of
Government which to fly around and get attention. It would also risk the
chance of getting shot at & endangering the populace. But, then again, UFO's
have been sighted over Washington, etc. so I guess by Klass's definition
they're of extraterrestrial origin :-) . Also, I seem to remember reading
somewhere, that when we went to the moon, most of the landing sights were
very near each other. Can someone supply any info on this?
JWW
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From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
Subject: MacArthur and MUFON
Date: 5 Dec 89 14:55:00 GMT
On October 12, 1989, as many of you may know, I appeared on the
Larry King Live CNN broadcast. This appearence was in the wake
of the Soviet sightings that had just made world wide news.
King was on his honeymoon, and in his place was Pat Buchanan.
Also appearing was Peter Adams of Defense Weekly. All in all, I
think the program went fairly well, in my opinion, Adams had no
backround in regard to the UFO subject, and Buchanan seemed to
be gaining interest. For any of you that may have viewed this,
in just the last minute or so, I mentioned the fact that General
Douglas MacArthur, in one of his last public appearences prior
to his death, had addressed the 1962 graduating class at West
Point and in the course of his address warned the class that the
next war could be an interplanetary one.
The reason I bring this up is that in the most current issue of
the MUFON UFO Journal, editor Dennis Stacy joins a long line of
various UFOlogists taking me to task for that remark. As Stacy
stated in his editors note. "At which juncture, ( MacArthur
remark) the credibility of both Ecker and UFOs could be seen
running down the TV wires and into the floor."
During the broadcast, Buchanan had stated that he had a copy of
MacArthurs "Duty, Honor, Country" speech on his wall, and he did
not recall any such remarks. I STATED THAT I HAD THE DOCUMENT
WITH ME. Of course the broadcast was then over, it had very
tight timeframe, and it was left hanging. Well, allow me to
clear the record. From the West Point archives, I received the
entire text of MacArthurs speech.
MacArthur was awarded the SYLVANUS THAYER Award by the Point on
May 12, 1962. During his address to the cadets, he waxed long
and wonderful, as was his style, and I will quote the parts of
the address that deal with the above.
"WE DEAL NOW, NOT WITH THINGS OF THIS WORLD, BUT WITH THE
ILLIMITABLE DISTANCES AND YET UNFATHOMED MYSTERIEWS OF THE
UNIVERSE. ..... OF THE PRIMARY TARGET IN WAR, NO LONGER LIMITED
TO THE ARMED FORCES OF AN ENEMY, BUT TO INCLUDE HIS CIVIL
POPULATION; OF ULTIMATE CONFLICT BETWEEN A UNITED HUMAN RACE AND
THE SINISTER FORCES OF SOME OTHER PLANETARY GALAXY ...."
As Stacy remarked in his article, lets either recruit the
General or let him lie in peace. Well, MacArthur was known for
his interrest in UFOs, and was at one time very concerned with
the potential of conflict between the US Miltary, and the
intelligences behind the enigma. Had I not had this information
about MacArthur, I would never had mentioned it on national TV,
when we have enough trouble attempting to make the subject
"respectable." If all those folks that Monday Morning
Quarterbacked me would have checked, they too would have found
the quote. I hope this lays to rest the question about General
MacArthur and his reference to possible interplanetary conflict.
Thanks for your ear.
Don Ecker
A PS:
I sent the West Point document with the above to Buchanan, and
have not received a reply. I am also going to send it to Stacy
and Walt Andrus with a note for inclusion in the next MUFON
Journal. As an aside, Dennis Stacy also had mentioned the fact
that during the broadcast I mentioned MJ 12. Well yes, I did,
and stated that it was at this point, suspect. But hey gang, how
could anything that has made such a wave in the field not at
least get mentioned. I suppose YOU Really Can't Please Everyone,
huh? GRIN
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