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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 091
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 91
Thursday, November 30th 1989
Today's Topics:
Re: The Secret Govt..
The State of Events
Re: Area 51
Re: Millersburg, Oh Case
Re: Antimatter Drives And Area 51
Re: Bill Cooper's Lecture In L.a.
Re: Pu/wolf 424
Re: The Closest Encounter
Re: Cooper, Cooper, Cooper
Re: A Current Affair 11/17/89
Re: The Secret Govt..
Re: Don Sudduth - The Non-physical Reality Of Ufos
Re: Implant Recovered
Re: Don Sudduth - The non-physical reality of UFOs
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From: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: The Secret Govt..
Date: 29 Nov 89 23:25:00 GMT
Organization: Paranet Information Service, Denver, CO (303) 431-1343
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> surprised that about 2 or 3 days after my father had died
> two years ago, all of his bank accounts were frozen and his
> credit card accounts were terminated or frozen also. All of
> this seems to be timed with the issuance of his death
> certificate. How so many places were knowlegable of his
> death and able to freeze or cancel accounts leads me to
> think that some sort of system is already in place. While I
> don't thinks it's The Beast a system is in place. Most
> likely keyed into the social security number.
>
Ah-hah! Maybe we have left out the most nefarious suspect: The Social
Security Administration!
If your dad was receiving social security benefits, they probably instigated
the "freeze." From time to time this happens to people who -- unfortunately
for them -- are still alive. The process is near-instantaneous & a=jakes
months or years to correct.
Is it possible that the Beast could belong to the Social Security
Administration? I mean, does anyone really KNOW what goes on in the S.S.
Administration? Let us not forget that it administers over 2 TRILLION
dollars in very liquid Treasury Securities, that its budget is "off line"
and that no one seems to know what the hell goes on there...
Best,
Clark
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From: Ray.Griffin@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Ray Griffin)
Subject: The State of Events
Date: 25 Nov 89 04:06:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:19/19 - The Rainbow Q, Fort Smith AR
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With all the sightings and reported landings it would be a good idea to
see if there is a method to the events which shows planning rather than
random events. I know of several possibilities. 1- concentrated
sightings preceeded by large tri-angular craft. 2- Banana shaped
discriptions out of context. 3-Large big foot creatures sighted or
(Aliens) sighted in area. I know of others, has anyone else picked up
on this. I believe that there is apossibility that they may even know
about paranet. Would anyone care to make a special request and see what
happens?
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From: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bryon Smith)
Subject: Re: Area 51
Date: 26 Nov 89 16:12:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:19/19 - The Rainbow Q, Fort Smith AR
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> What's nice is being able to tape something on 8mm and then
> either watch it directly at home, or bring a camcorder to a
> friend's house for easy viewing.
8 m.m. is super handy I must say. Light weight, low LUX, would be real
handy for the UFO investigator because you could take it anywhere and just
grab it and shoot if you saw something of intrest.
...Bryon
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From: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bryon Smith)
Subject: Re: Millersburg, Oh Case
Date: 26 Nov 89 16:14:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:19/19 - The Rainbow Q, Fort Smith AR
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> other. A photograph of one of the objects was taken, which
> was identified by the other witnesses, including Coast Guard
> personnel.
> The case is uploaded to Paranet under Lakerie.ufo (I think
> that's the file name).
10-4 that was an interesting report.
...Bryon
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From: Ray.Griffin@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Ray Griffin)
Subject: Re: Antimatter Drives And Area 51
Date: 28 Nov 89 05:31:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:19/19 - The Rainbow Q, Fort Smith AR
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Folks, I've been reading your comments about antimatter drives. I think
that you can bet on their instability in any craft not constructed of
the same materials. Perhaps we should be discussing gasous metalurgy
with expanded atom centers and unbalanced electron shells.
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From: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bryon Smith)
Subject: Re: Bill Cooper's Lecture In L.a.
Date: 28 Nov 89 15:05:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:19/19 - The Rainbow Q, Fort Smith AR
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> Tell me about it. How anyone with such "credentials
> " can distort a basic tenet of astrophysics is sinful.
> Why plutonium anyway? There are many more powerful methods
> for doing a similar thing!
Absolutely...
I figure if they just need something to worry about for the sake of having
something to worry about, they should consider that the human race will
destroy itself long before they ever ignite Jupiter.
...Bryon
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From: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bryon Smith)
Subject: Re: Pu/wolf 424
Date: 28 Nov 89 15:17:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:19/19 - The Rainbow Q, Fort Smith AR
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> Note that the "fan" image was an artifact of the method
> used in sweeping the sky. Many other galaxies are still to
> be found. Also, lacking in the 3-d image is a GOOD 3d scale
> to illustrate that actual depth to which each point is
> mapped. One thing though: the image DOES illustrate a very
> important feature of galactic cluster structure:
I find it very interesting that they were even able to come up with the
information they did gather. We must also consider the position the
"cameras" were located withen this cluster in order to gather some idea as
to the shape. I would like to see a video dedicated to this information.
I hardly think we could be alone out here in space, but can "they" actually
get to Earth ? Perhaps.
...Bryon
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From: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bryon Smith)
Subject: Re: The Closest Encounter
Date: 28 Nov 89 15:18:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:19/19 - The Rainbow Q, Fort Smith AR
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> Has anyone taped this segment for ME to see? [sniff]
I taped it, you want a copy ? It's not very long but I guess I could stick
some other UFO related things on the tape for ya .. :-)
...Bryon
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From: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bryon Smith)
Subject: Re: Cooper, Cooper, Cooper
Date: 28 Nov 89 15:21:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:19/19 - The Rainbow Q, Fort Smith AR
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> That "force" that you mention Cooper is driven by seems to
> be MONEY. I live too far away to dive into his personal
> life, but you may wish to to settle the matter once and for
> all. Get someone to pry. [hideous laugh]
You might be right about that, I don't think the Government is behind him
though, I should hope they would be above such. I mean if they intend to
confuse and mislead us I would hope they would be better at it than that.
hehe..
...Bryon
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From: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bryon Smith)
Subject: Re: A Current Affair 11/17/89
Date: 28 Nov 89 16:22:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:19/19 - The Rainbow Q, Fort Smith AR
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> Note that the position of the light in the background is
> very important since this does much to distort the effect
> in the window. We used to call this in magic, a shadowbox
> illusion. Much can be done with this effect and by tipping
> one's head closer to the light source, the head grows
> dis-proportionally larger than the body. Someone has GOT to
> get a layout of the that room.
I should hope that someone will continue this research from a non-biased
point of view, who has knowledge of conditions that might have created such
an effect.
Of course just because someone is able to recreate the effect does not
disprove what was seen. But what was seen might not have been a solid form
even though it appeard in the window. The form did not appear to be
"walking" but floating. Was anything "heard" inside the house ? If so no
one said anything about it. They didn't know about the form in the window
until they viewed the tape. How long were they outside ? How much time
would someone have had to get in and out of the house ?
I do not deny that something very strange appeard in the window on the video
tape but I have my doubts as to if the form was solid, or if there was an
intelligence behind it. I would find it easer to believe it was a trick of
the light with a combination of the wind, or even some paranormal type
source than I would to believe it was an "alien" in their house.
In my research I have discovered that a good number of close encounters have
been followed by what might be called "supernatural" or "paranormal"
sightings & events. Some of these people have actually reported beings in
their houses not long after their UFO encounters, some of them still report
seeing these things. Some report seeing frightening beings and others
report seeing hooded figures that are more angelic than demonic.
The question I ask is, are the "aliens" creating these effects, or are
"demonic" or "angelic" type beings creating the UFOs ?
I believe that energies and powers exist in creation and on Earth that defy
our best abilities to control or observe. Calling these energies angelic or
demonic in the religious sense has caused many to throw the idea out the
door, but calling them by scientific terms sheds a new light on the subject.
Science knows these unseen powers do exist and have been able to photograph
the human aura using Kirlian photography, but are these unseen powers
intelligent or do they just appear to be ? Perhaps they are just preforming
a special function in creation that is not yet understood, rather like a
computer would that was programmed for a special function. Plants also
preform a special function, animals likewise preform a special function in
nature, and humans are here observing and changing their natural
surroundings, usually for the worst. You could say they are "programmed" to
do certain things according to their design or "personality."
Nature itself is a highly programmed system and regardless of "who"
or "what" programmed it, it is obvious (to me) that we are not the most
intelligent life forms in existance. How is it that the "created" or the
tiny part of the ONE, is able to understand the source that created it ?
Watching a biology video tape of how one cell life forms attach themselves
to each other and make a different type of life form, and seeing that all
animal life forms are created by using different combinations of the same
basic cells, it makes me wonder what "designing force" was behind the
different combinations of life. Almost as if there was an unseen pattern
that controled the design of each different life form from the same basic
materials, much like an artist can design different forms from the same
clay.
Science tell us that nothing is ever really destroied, it only changes
forms. If we burn a piece of paper it is transformed into several other
forms, heat, light, energy, & ash. It's no longer paper but it exists in
other forms. Animal's bodies turn back to dust but where does the
"electrical" energy go ? There appears to be more to it that what first
meets the eye.
The cycle of life is said to have a starting point and in the end it is said
to return to the source where it started from. If it is true that nothing
ever really dies but is converted back into energy then who is to say that
"energy" forms is not responsible for many unexplained phenomena ?
Speaking in the physical sense I do not believe we are alone in the
universe. Speaking in the Spiritual sense I do not believe we are the only
intelligent design that was formed in the "mind of the Creator." In more
than one way we are not alone here.
Was that a "physical" form that passed by the window ? Somehow I have my
doubts.
Are the "aliens" creating the supernatural images, or are the supernatural
images creating the "aliens ?" Perhaps it's a combination of both, but how
do we go about finding the answers ?
...Bryon
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From: Jim.Delton@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: The Secret Govt..
Date: 29 Nov 89 15:45:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:304/1 - NEXUS, Flagstaff AZ
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The idea of simply setting up shell companies to post phoney
transactions is a good one but it requires that the target have the
right kinds of accounts. For someone who has a lot of credit cards as
well as debit cards it might be somewhat effective. I only have one
credit card myself so they couldn't do much more then run up a few
thougsand dollars. Even at that, all I have to do is protest it and
everything goes on hold until the bank can prove I was the one that
rang up the charges. That could be rather hard for them to do from
shell corporations. It is an interesting idea but it could cause the
gvt as many problems as it would "solve". I read an interesting
article today about how the coast guard wants the DOD to become the
master coordinator from C**3 (command, control,and communications) for
the war on drugs. Got me to wondering if the gvts real goal in the war
on drugs isn't getting rid of drugs as much as it is to implement more
and better "big brother" type systems. CG wants DOD to provide
complete interconnectivity between DOD, FBI, DEA, Customs, FAA, Immig
and Nat, Treasury, and US marshalls. Doesn't take a genuis to figer
(figure) that the CIA and NSA would be surreptitiously tied into the
system, with or without an invitation.
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From: Don.Sudduth@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Don Sudduth)
Subject: Re: Don Sudduth - The Non-physical Reality Of Ufos
Date: 30 Nov 89 04:32:00 GMT
Organization: Paranet Information Service, Denver, CO (303) 431-1343
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Alright, Jim, here we go! I'm sorry.......no.......wait, I guess I'm
not sorry........you're right
evidence=tesitimony=fact=illusion=fiction......ack!!! If I apologize,
is that a meta-apology?? (An apology for an apology??) No, really,
after I thought about that apology for reducing evidence to testimony I
thought that I should retract that statement again!! Testimony IS
evidence whether others like it of NOT! There is physical evidence and
there is testimony - which is just another form of evidence. Now I'll
go to bed tonight and wonder about the philosophical quagmire I've just
stepped into! I'll have to think about this some more....
(One thing for sure -- alot of people are accepting Lazar's testimony
as evidence and even FACT!)
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From: John.Burke@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: Implant Recovered
Date: 30 Nov 89 01:26:24 GMT
Organization: Paranet Information Service, Denver, CO (303) 431-1343
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Ann: It was on NBC. I was somewhat mistaken when I said that this was
the first I'd ever heard about it. _UFO_ Magazine (I'm guessing now)
Vol.4 No.3 at the bottom of page (4?) ran the story although I don't know
if that much was known about the implant at the time. The investigator,
who I think was Cheryl Fernandez from L.A. (how am I doin' Vicki? - this
beats an apology, doesn't it?) was interested about the fact that this
"piece of glass" fit so snugly against the tibia (shinbone). Some people
suspect it was just a piece of glass in a kid's leg (now an adult). But
the strange honeycomb structure containing trace amounts of silver and
other metals makes that look a little simplistic at this time. Maybe
further inspection of the implant may be more revealing. They had a good
shot of it in a guy's hand on Hard Copy. Maybe someone else taped it.
Serves you right for being all prepared like that! If you HAD been able
to tune it in & tape it the show wouldn't have been any good. -- Just a
bunch of guys sitting around, laughing at people who are interested in
UFOs!
Best regards -- John
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Don Sudduth - The non-physical reality of UFOs
Date: 30 Nov 89 03:02:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:114/37 - The USOP BBS, Scottsdale AZ
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>I'm not sure why it should just be called
>"useful anecdotes" why do we have to add the word evidence
>to it? That's all most of it seems to me, useful
Jim:
I don't have a good dictionary handy, do you? I was thinking that perhaps we
better start off with a mutually agreeable definition for evidence. I do
tend to misuse it sometimes. I don't think of "evidence" and "proof" as
being interchangeable, I think of evidence as something less than proof but
something that strongly indicates a possible scenario, whereas "proof"
CONFIRMS that scenario.
What does Mr. Webster say?
Jim
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