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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 092
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 92
Friday, December 1st 1989
Today's Topics:
Lazar and his Amazing Saucers
Re: The Secret Govt..
CNN video tape of Eastern European UFO
(none)
Re: Antimatter Drives and Area 51
Re: Area 51: The Nevada Test Site's Supersecret Ufo Base?
The State of Events
Re: Pu/wolf 424
Re: Cooper, Cooper, Cooper
Re: A Current Affair 11/17/89
Re: The Secret Govt.
Blast
Reality
More comments
Crash (Not of the UFO kind)
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From: isis!scicom!taos!uucp
Subject: Lazar and his Amazing Saucers
Date: 29 Nov 89 20:47:15 GMT
Hello, paranet friends,
I have been reading the newsletter from paranet for some time now.
This is my first posting.
+I just had an interesting thought...if you had been sitting on the secret
+of S-4 and dreamland for a long while, and had instructions to release the
+information to the public only if it would not cause a crisis, what better
+time to stage-leak the real story, as most of Eastern Europe and the Soviet
+Union call off the cold war? Perhaps what Reagan was telling Gorbachev
+in their summit conferences is that we'll all hang separately if we don't
+hang together.
+
+More paranoia from,
+
+Michael Sloan MacLeod (amdahl!drivax!macleod)
Regarding Lazar, I just wonder about the fact that we are on the eve
of a summit of great significance to the entire world. As much as
we would all like to believe this intriguing tale (since so many
questions would be answered), I have to think that our government
has a powerful motivation at the moment for promoting this kind of
idea.
Given the credulity of Soviets on this subject, how likely is it
that the Soviet intelligence community is going crazy right now
trying to verify this story before the summit? Is this all
designed to throw Gorbachev off balance?
If our government tried to announce such a thing (supposing it is
false) they would be innundated with requests for demonstrations
and explanations, which would ruin the ruse. But the region where
these events are alleged to have occurred would be under constant
scrutiny by Soviet agents, given the history of the area. The
agents assigned to the area probably observed the news programs
with great interest.
Then there is the involvement of Cooper. Readers will have to judge
for themselves the significance of this.
Here is my scenario:
Lazar works for some intelligence outfit. His background was wiped
out (ineffectively) in the hopes that the attempt to erase his
history would give credibility to his story. Others that come
forward are part of the same effort. Some are actual believers
who have been convinced by the thoroughness of the deception.
The information is released in controlled packets, perhaps some
intelligence leaks were provided directly to Soviet agents to
prepare them to be receptive when the television program came on.
It all is building up so that the climax of the scam occurs just
before the summit. The result is that Gorbachev is off balance
and Bush has the advantage.
I think this is much more likely than the possibility that what
Lazar says is true, for these reasons:
1) If this project were so top secret as Lazar says, he would
never have appeared on that program. Lazar said they knew
he was going to leak in advance. If that were true he
would have been dead. They would not wait until now to
take sniper shots at him, and if they did, they wouldn't
miss.
2) Bill Cooper has discredited himself, and he appears to be
involved.
3) After reading on the subject, I am inclined to believe that
the spiritual/supernatural/extradimensional aspect is the
most significant. I could go into this, but let me just
say that I too have been reading Dimensions, and the ideas
presented there make more sense than anything else I have seen
on the subject. This story does not fit the scenario.
Instead it fits into a neat materialistic mold which would
allow the military to control the phenomena by purely
physical means. This does not mean it is necessarily bogus,
it just makes me suspicious. It is too neat; too easy and pat.
4) The gov't has a history of "leaking" bogus UFO stories.
5) They are motivated to try to maintain the upper hand by the
significance of this summit, in light of political developments.
This whole thing may have been generated directly in response
to developments in Eastern Europe.
6) The whole thing may be relatively unimportant to our intelligence
community - just another little game to try to keep the other
guys confused, and good practice at generating disinformation.
Sorry, it's just too bizarre to believe without tons of corroboration
from many independent sources.
Cheers,
--Steve
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
Subject: Re: The Secret Govt..
Date: 30 Nov 89 03:59:45 GMT
In a message of <28 Nov 89 09:12 >, Jim Speiser (1:114/37) writes:
>Underneath Ft. Meade, the NSA headquarters, is the world's fastest and
>most expensive computer, the Cray II (some say it is now a Cray III).
>Simple question: WHY? What the hell is it
>supposed to do? Just crack codes?
Well let's face it Jim, the IRS has computer files on us, so does the census bureau, social security, FBI, etc. etc. etc. Now it won't take someone too long to figure out how to tie all these independent systems together into one huge database. Of course we have no proof of this but to think that such as system *doesn't* exist is foolhardy.
Remember, Ollie North thought he had erased all of his computer files but he forgot that there was a remote system with a backup of those files.
As we become more reliant on computers we are becomming a more Orwelian (1984) society.
--
Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
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INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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From: taos!uucp
Subject: CNN video tape of Eastern European UFO
Date: 29 Nov 89 22:48:18 GMT
Does anyone know more about the CNN UFO video aired last night?
Here's what I heard and saw (and didn't tape):
At about 9:25 PM PST last night (11-28-88) on CNN during the segment
with the square-jawed, male news commentator (Emory???), we heard him
announce that a home video had been made of a recent (within the
week?) UFO that has been "buzzing" (his word) some (named) Eastern
European town. This had been going on for a few consecutive days.
The video was shown during the reading of the news. We saw a greyish,
circular blob moving somewhat erratically within a dark frame. (So,
what's new, right?) The blob occupied about 5% of the frame, I would
say. I don't recall any identifiable objects in the video frame. It
looked as if the lens was zoomed toward the UFO during the course of
the video. The blob appeared to scintillate and possibly had some
rotational movement. There were no well-defined "lights" and no
bright colors that I remember. The entire news segment lasted perhaps a
minute with 30 seconds of videotape.
Anyone catch the European country and town?
Keith
-Keith Rowell, Tektronix, Wilsonville, OR keithr@orca.WV.TEK.COM
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From: taos!uucp
Subject: (none)
Date: 30 Nov 89 07:47:08 GMT
Dear Friends,
I saw this article in the sci.space USENET newsgroup.
I think it's some straightfaced bs put up to parody the Area 51 article,
but I could be wrong. The article had a strange-looking path line, and it
seemed to have been gateed from the Internet.
Article 15143 of sci.space:
Path: drivax!amdahl!apple!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!wuarchive!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ucsd!ucbvax!FNAL.BITNET!HIGGINS
>From: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET (W.T. Higgins)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Antimatter Drives and Area 51
Message-ID: <Added.gZQeYQi00UkT4DoU9i@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: 28 Nov 89 15:47:00 GMT
Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU
Organization: The Internet
Lines: 61
Michael Sloan MacLeod posted a discussion about:
+Robert Lazar, formerly employed by the government at the mysterious
+Area 51, says that the US government has 500 pounds of element 115,
+which somehow produces antimatter when irradiated.
Lazar is pulling the wool over somebody's eyes. There were less than 300 pounds
of element 115, and probably less now. Samples were tested in various
university and government labs, including mine. Yes, it does give off
antimatter when bombarded with the proper radiation. If you hit it with
negative muons, 115 (I'm talking about 287, the most abundant isotope, here.
Inconvenient not having a name for the element, but there never was general
agreement on it.) transitions to an excited state that decays into a positron,
a nucleus of 114, and an antideuteron (bound state of an antiproton and an
antineutron). The 114 is unstable, and in a few milliseconds it gives off
another antideuteron and a pair of positrons. And so forth, down the chart of
the nuclides. Every once in a while a decay in this chain will throw off a
neutron, just to keep things balanced. This had everybody excited for a while.
You might remember the big *Popular Mechanics* article about it.
Unfortunately, it turned out to be a bust. We showered muons on our 115 sample
rods for weeks on end. The decay chain ends, after a rather short time, at
106Pd. And Pd has a tremendous affinity for hydrogen, and anti-hydrogen. We had
made a bunch of antimatter, but we couldn't get it out. The deuterons were stuck
within the Pd lattice. All we could collect were a few deuterons coming off
atoms on the surface, and positrons, which we can get anywhere. And instead of
an exotic heavy element, we were left with an inert lump of a metal anybody can
buy on the commodities market. Remember the joke about the alchemist who could
turn gold into lead?
Having established that it wasn't a miracle energy source, most labs pretty much
lost interest. At mine, we took the experiment apart and went on to more
interesting work. The sample rods were lying around the lab for a while,
though, come to think of it, I haven't seen them in a couple of years. I
suppose somebody scrounged them for another experiment.
+This fuel is used to drive waveguide-type gravity amplifiers which
+are the FTL drive components of nine alien spacecraft
Eight. One crashed during tests in August 1981. Three of the remaining
eight have now been dismantled.
+stored in hangars
+out at Area 51 (the supersecret testing grounds also known as "Dreamland"
+in the middle of the Nellis AFB bombing range about 65 miles northeast of
+Las Vegas).
Not *too* supersecret. See the book *Dreamland: A New Age of Flight Testing*,
by Richard Adams Locke, Aero Books, 1985. A lot of nice photos of the place.
+From his brief description of how the drives operate, they
+seem to create local black-hole strength gravity gradients which slow down
+time and cause a space-fold quickly traversible by the spacecraft.
Get real. The correct spelling is "traversable."
Bill Higgins
+------------------------------------------------+
| These opinions are not shared by my employer, |
| or perhaps by anybody else. |
+------------------------------------------------+
Michael Sloan MacLeod
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From: taos!uucp
Subject: Re: Area 51: The Nevada Test Site's Supersecret Ufo Base?
Date: 30 Nov 89 08:02:03 GMT
To further check on Mr. Lazar's background, what about asking him to
produce a college/high school yearbook? Also, what about pay stubs, tax records
etc.? I know these items have already been asked for and it would be great
if he could deliver.
Ed Sanborn
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From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker
Subject: The State of Events
Date: 30 Nov 89 19:27:00 GMT
> sighted in area. I know of others, has anyone else picked
> up on this. I believe that there is apossibility that they
> may even know about paranet. Would anyone care to make a
> special request and see what happens?
Ray:
Yaa, I have a special request. How about this for size?
World Peace, or an end to world hunger, or a re-affirmation of the
Constitution, or an end to the double talk, or how about just one
damn good photograph?
Pass that along and lets see, eh?
--
Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
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INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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From: paranet!Marc.Dantonio
Subject: Re: Pu/wolf 424
Date: 30 Nov 89 21:00:00 GMT
Bryon
Since the galactic distances were calculated, the 3-d image could be
generated. The only problem is that NOT ALL galaxies were included,
only a 'slice' of the whole sky. Basically you are seeing a cross
sectional cut through the thickness of galaxies. This helps to see the
underlying structure better than seeing the whole clump at once...
Marc
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Marc Dantonio - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
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INTERNET: Marc.Dantonio@paranet.FIDONET.ORG
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From: paranet!Marc.Dantonio
Subject: Re: Cooper, Cooper, Cooper
Date: 30 Nov 89 21:03:00 GMT
I agree. Cooper is NOT fronted by anyone but himself. No govt agency
could use such a person as he, as he is volatile. That is the first
no-no!
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Marc Dantonio - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
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INTERNET: Marc.Dantonio@paranet.FIDONET.ORG
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From: paranet!Marc.Dantonio
Subject: Re: A Current Affair 11/17/89
Date: 30 Nov 89 21:06:00 GMT
I see from your last long message that you are a Strieber reader!
--
Marc Dantonio - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
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INTERNET: Marc.Dantonio@paranet.FIDONET.ORG
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From: taos!uucp
Subject: Re: The Secret Govt.
Date: 30 Nov 89 20:32:27 GMT
+, is the world's fastest and most
+expensive computer, the Cray II (some say it is now a Cray III).
It is generally accepted that the world's fastest production supercomputer is the
8 processor CRAY Y-MP system. The CRAY-3 is expected to be produced
soon by Cray Computer Corporation.
-keith
--
Keith Fredericks, Cray Research Inc., 1440 Northland Dr. Mendota Hgts., MN 55120
keith@cray.com (612)681-3258
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From: taos!uucp
Subject: Blast
Date: 30 Nov 89 20:32:57 GMT
Some not so random comments: The "Beast" reminds me
very much of the computer in the secret courts in A.E. Van Vogt's famous novel,
"The Weapon Shops of Isher." In addition to supplying defensive weapons to any
citizen who needed protection from the government or powerful private forces,
the Weapon Shops also had a court system with a computer network which
automatically deducted the assessed fines and made restitution to the aggrieved
parties. Pretty prescient for the '40's or 50's, I'd say.
In response to some recent and unnecessary comments, modern historians tend to
think that the story of Cardinal Bellarmine's refusal to look through Gallileo's
telescope at the moons of Jupiter is apocryphal. Both the Pope and the Cardinal
had earlier been supporters of G, but were offended by his personal attacks and
were also caught up in a political struggle which G's attacks exacerbated. That
doesn't excuse them, of course, nor validate the R.C.Church's pretense to be
dispensing the TRUTH and only the TRUTH.
Futhermore, to the charge of "having a closed mind," let me say that my mind is
not closed to the possibility that naturalistic explanations can be found for
most, if not all, allegedly paranormal events. I haven't lost faith in
rationality and I don't intend to feel apologetic about it. Neither should the
rest of us.
Originality is a tricky subject philosophically. Platonists would deny its
possibility and structuralists would place severe limits on its scope. Multiple
near-simultaneous discovery is common in science and art, suggesting that much
credit for originality is often credit for speedy publication and good PR.
I recommend the articles by Isaac Azimov on "The Relativity of Error," and
Milton Rothman on "Myths about Science" in the Fall '89 Skeptical Inquirer.
Enough is known about the physics and chemistry of Plutonium, the engineering
constraints of nuclear warhead design, and the conditions on Jupiter for me to
state with about the same confidence that I can predict the rising of the sun
tomorrow that nothing of consequence would happen if a thermal generator
containing 50 lbs of non-weapons grade Pu entered the Jovian atmosphere. It
would simply vaporize, as have the nuclear generators that have entered our
atmosphere from satellites. Granted I can't tell you the precise trajectory or
fate of every particle; there are real limits to knowledge, but we can predict
the broad outlines with some confidence.
There is no chance of a thermonuclear explosion. The pressures and temperatures
generated by fission bombs are simply not high enough to ignite Hydrogen. Fusion
bombs and prototype reactors use Deuterium and Tritium (and Lithium) because
they are far easier to fuse. These are present only in miniscule amounts in the
Jovian atmosphere. Their reaction rate exceeds that of H + H by about 18 orders
of magnitude if memory serves me.
For those of you still reading, it is not always "impossible to prove a
negative." Proof of non-existence is common in mathematics and logic. As a grad
student I once wasted 45 minutes of CPU time on a large mainframe trying to find
a certain type of musical scale structure by an exhaustive search. Several
months later I found a paper proving that such structures did not exist for the
values of the parameters I was interested in. QED.
--John (Chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu)
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From: taos!uucp
Subject: Reality
Date: 30 Nov 89 22:36:25 GMT
I am intensely interested in the idea that paranormal experience is often linked
with the UFO experience. Many of the accounts that I have heard of UFO
experiences have psychic elements to them.
In this current vein, I am still wondering why my posting about the Persinger
helmet that simulates the UFO abduction experience did not generate any
response.
Lazar has given us a picture of a hard reality where we can touch the spacecraft,
test-fly the sport model, and communicate in a conventional manner with the aliens.
I have no idea whether this is based in fact or what. But, I believe that at the point
of contact between our race and another more advanced one, we will be very hard
pressed indeed to fit all of the new knowledge and understanding into our tiny little
primitive world views.
It is likely that the (what we call) paranormal experiences are only well-defined
and controllable experiences of races advanced beyond our own. (And who knows,
maybe even some humans have developed these talents).
In this vein, I am still wondering why no one responded to my assertion about the
similarity between the experience that Carlos Casteneda reported in his seven
books and UFO experiences. Don Juan and Carlos and friends have built-up a
knowledge of how-the-world works that allows them to participate in a reality
that is quite different from the one that we normally associate with concensus
reality. After Carlos integrated this new reality into his own world view, his
definition of hard reality changed. It expanded to include new stuff.
I think the blowing-away of our current consensus world view is likely due to an
encounter with another race and/or by the normal course of science and technology.
BTW-- could someone please list the paranet BBS phone number(s) for the benefit
of those of us on the internet?
-keith
--
Keith Fredericks, Cray Research Inc., 1440 Northland Dr. Mendota Hgts., MN 55120
keith@cray.com (612)681-3258
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From: taos!uucp
Subject: More comments
Date: 30 Nov 89 22:36:55 GMT
More comments: I just got a letter from a Snail Mail correspondent in San Diego
who says that KVEG and Danny Goodman come in loud and clear there. I would think
that much of the rest of Central and Southern California would be in the
potential listening area as well.
He reminded me that Element 115, tentatively to be called Ununquintium
according to IUPAC naming rules (Ufonium sounds better to my ears), is the heavy
homolog of Bismuth, which while the last element to have at least one stable
isotope, has no other unusual properties.
The letter also reminded me that I think that I forgot to mention in my earlier
discussions of 115 that one of the chief reasons I doubt that 115 is being used
to produce antimatter to generate an antigravity field is that antimatter was
predicted theoretically and confirmed experimentally (by William Fairbank at
Stanford with positrons) to react the same as normal matter to gravity.
Antimatter is not repelled by normal gravity nor does it generate an antigravity
field.
Forward's Antigravity device would work by cancelling normal gravity with a
hypothetical "protational" or gravitational analog of the magnetic field.
This discussion also reminds me of a suggestion (by Larry Niven, I think) for a
Plutonium Standard to replace gold and silver. Pu is scarce, difficult to
synthesize, intrinsically valuable for its energy content, difficult to hoard
because of its toxicity and radioactivity, and dangerous to accumulate due to
its low critical mass. Therefore people would have to keep it circulating before
it decayed and by the well-known multiplier effect, boost the economy and keep
it healthy.
--John Chalmers
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Crash (Not of the UFO kind)
Date: 1 Dec 89 10:30:00 GMT
To all:
ParaNet Alpha had a hard drive crash on November 30, at 4:30 P.M.
MST. Although we are up and running, anyone who posted on Alpha
between 10:00 P.M. MST on November 29 and the time of the crash
may not have been transmitted through the net, with the exception
of UUCP traffic since it goes immediately upon posting, may
consider reposting their traffic to be sure that all affiliates
get it.
Sorry for the inconvenience this has caused.
BTW, the MIBS were bound and gagged for what they did here!!
<grin>
Mike
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