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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 110
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 110
Monday, December 25th 1989
Today's Topics:
Re: Saucers or Fiery Chariots. Aliens or Angels.
Re: Saucers or Fiery Chariots. Aliens or Angels.
Re: Lazar And His Amazing Saucers
Bill Cooper?
Bill Moore video tape
Intruders Foundation
Re: Klass Of Fyffe
Re: Lazar/Area51
Saucers or Fiery Chariots. Aliens or Angels.
Lazar and the "Happening"
Bill Moore Video Tape
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: Re: Saucers or Fiery Chariots. Aliens or Angels.
Date: 23 Dec 89 16:41:00 GMT
In a message to Bryon Smith <12-21-89 09:21> James Nannemann wrote:
JN> Even in the Bible it describes a UFO or two. The one
JN> example that comes to mind is EZEKIAL's machine. I
Yeah, I remember that and think there might very well have been some
connection.
JN> to be an interesting type of helicopter. There are pictures
JN> of UFOs on the walls of Medieval Monestary Churches, in the
JN> Pyramids of Egypt, in the ruins of the Maya in the Yucatan
The Pyramids of Egypt might very well be another kind of example. Long ago
there was a monument built to the Lord and it was placed in the midst of the
land of Egypt and on the boarder there of. It was mentioned in two or three
places in the bible but I can only remember two at this time and they are
Isaiah 19: 19-20, which odd enough the scripture that talks about the alter
to the Lord adds up to almost the exact hight of the Great Pyramid in
pyramid inches. And the other one is Jeremiah 32: 18-29, "...hast set signs
and wonders in the land of Egypt, even unto this day." So this appears to
indicate that what ever it was had been there a long time even in Jeremiah's
days. The part that bothers me is that only one Pyramid, the Great Pyramid,
is built on the exact location mentioned in the bible (so they tell me) and
it used the same measurements as they tell that Noah did when he built the
ark, as well as when Solomon built the temple to God, and also that of the
ark of the covenant. This unit of mesure is said to be the "sacred cubit"
and is almost exactly 25" long. I understand that the Great Pyramid of
Geza was the only Pyramid that used this set of standards, and it's the only
one that has this internal design. No one was buried in it, it didn't have
all the "tresures" or the "heiroglyphics" in it as the other pyramids did.
These things lead me to believe that it was built by different designers
than who built the other pyramids. The name "Cheops" or "Kufu" translated
means "Lord of Light," I find that an interesting name for a pharoah, don't
you ? There are several other interesting points concerning the
descriptions of the Great Pyramid in relationship to certain things
mentioned in the bible. The "Top Stone" is missing, only a legend goes
along with why and what it looked like, but no one seems to know where it
went, or even if it had ever been in place. Anyway they tell me that the
only structure that has a "Chief Corner Stone" is a Pyramid, not to be
confused with a "master corner stone." A chief corner stone is said to be
in the center and on top of the struture and touches all sides of the
structure instead of just two. The Pyramid has 5 sockets that it set it to
and that is also interesting, and there was mention of the 144 thousand
white tura limestone casing stones that once covered the outside of the
structure. When talking about Christ the bible makes mention of several
things that related to a structure of some kind, that structue had a "Chief
Corner Stone" and they said the stone that had been rejected by the builders
had become the "Chief of the Corner," if this is true then they are talking
about a pyramid type structure and the "top" stone that was said to have
shone like the sun. Another interesting point is the 144 thousand that was
mentioned in Revelations who were with the Lord upon Mount Zion. Another
point to consider is there is a place in Revelations where the saints will
receive a white stone with a new name written on it. You put all of this
together and you have a structure that looks like a "mount" that has a
brilliant "Chief Corner Stone" and "144 thousand" other white stones on it.
I wouldn't dare say that the Great Pyramid was "Mount Zion" but I would say
it certanly had some interesting similarities to this "Mount Zion."
If any of this at all can be considered then this Great Pyramid could have
had a supernatural designer. One thing is for sure they had an
understanding of the stars, and the Earth, almost as if they were able to
view the Earth from above.
The Egyptians "Book of the Dead" indicates their understanding that this
structure had supernatural design and they attributed the design to the
"gods." All the other Pyramids have the hieroglyphics (like found on that
beam in the crashed UFO in 1947) and were used to bury their kings in
because they believed he would live in the here-after because of this
structure, why ? Why did they believe this ? Where did they get this
information from if not from some supernatural source ?
JN> I am sure there are many other places where UFOs have been
JN> recorded, which serve to "prove" that we have been under
JN> surveliance by somewhat benevolant beings for centuries.
I agree, and we are fortunate to have this forum to help research it.
JN> But.... are these beings from another star system, another
JN> dimension, or from fabled "Atlantis"? Is the current
Another good question. I believe you could refer to them as "aliens,"
"supernatural beings," "angels & demons," etc. and you would be correct on
all counts. I do not believe they are all from the same place though and I
don't believe they all get along with each other, and there was "war in the
heavens." The bible talks about "fallen angels" who fell to Earth during a
great war in the heavens. If these "fallen angels" are still here then
perhaps the battle is still going on in another dimension and once in awhile
we may see physical effects of their conflict.
These beings are more than just "aliens" though because they have abilities
that can certanly be considered as "supernatural." They converse using what
we refer to as "telepathy." They have the ability to appear and disappear
at will which gives the impression of a "cloaking device." They are able to
accelerate instantly and to make 90 degree turns without ill effects as a
normal physical body would. This gives the appearance that they are able to
create an anti-inertia, & anti-gravity effect. So if these "aliens" are
more than just a species simular to ourselves on a higher intellectual level
then perhaps they have powers and abilities far beyond our understanding.
Perhaps they are not affected by gravity and the laws of physics that we are
limited by.
JN> Peristoroika & Glasnost happening at the prodding of these
JN> beings, in order to avert a worldwide calamity? Why dont
I feel that if this "spiritual" and "mental" warefare continues as it has in
history then perhaps we humans are reflecting the emotions and desires of
these supernatural beings. Perhaps this is a clue as to the reasons why
such strange things are taking place now and why the parts of the puzzle
just arn't coming together. Our understanding of supernatural beings is
very limited and our understanding of "aliens" comes from our own concepts
and from watching science fiction movies, so where does that leave us ? It
leaves us with a very faulty understanding of what we are dealing with. We
relate things to the physical, and to our understanding of it. We place
terms and reasoning on these "beings" that we ourselves are subject to,
without stopping to consider that they are not subject to our feelings and
desires and needs. They don't think like we do, their warfare is not like
our warfare, their needs are not like our needs. The reason we can't
understand them is that we are using facts that are known to us and relate
to us and what we might expect from humans, not from supernaturals. We play
by one set of rules and they play by another set, if we don't understand
their nature then how can we expect to put the puzzle together ? Our
researchers are looking right over the clues they need to be picking up on
because most UFO researchers are looking for that "solid evidence" and as
such they say a sighting is either a "hoax" or it is not a "hoax." What
ever it is, it certanly has effects on people and that is real, hoax or not.
JN> beings, in order to avert a worldwide calamity? Why dont
JN> they just land one of their disks in the middle of the
JN> stadium during the Super Bowl or something? Sure they
JN> havent gone out of their way to hide really, but the only
JN> way the governments of the world are going to quit trying
JN> to pretend that they dont exist, is if the ETs bring their
JN> existanct to the people in a way that cannot be covered up
You make a good point here, why don't they ? Unless their abilities would
be limited by our understanding of who they are and what they want here.
Consider this, if one side uses deceptions as a part of their warfare then
it would be to their disadvantage to show themselves in their actual "form"
but if they did show themselves it would be in a disguise. In other words
if they did land at the Super Bowl they would not present themselves or
their desires in truth. Perhaps that's why the "mind games" are going on
with the UFO sightings and encounters, perhaps they want to know just how
much & what we will believe.
JN> at the U.N. THAT would sure wake people up!! But if these
JN> beings have been taking a non-interference attitude all
JN> these centuries, when will they stop playing hide and seek
JN> with us humans? Since Mr. Lazar's revalations show that the
I have not heard any of Lazar's tapes so I don't really know what he is
saying, I hope to get some video of it soon though. Anyway I do not believe
they have been taking a "non-interference" attitude, I believe that at least
one side (one "alien" camp) makes it a point to interfear while the other
side waits for us to ask for help, like the battle of Jerico when Joshua
came against a city of "giants" who certanly were not humans, but were
decendants of the "son's of god" who took to wife the daughters of men and
had "giants" by them. There are a number of records in history about these
beings. This battle of Jerico was not just a battle of humans but was more
than that and supernatural powers were involved and humans were caught in
the middle of the conflict. Joshua's army was required to have faith that
their God would deliver them, and that God would defeat the giants in the
land that had been promised to God's people. What do you think the giants
were doing in this promised land ? Could it have been in spite ? Could it
have been to prevent the other "camp" from giving this land to their humans.
Almost like playing a chess game with live people. Somewhere in history in
stories of the "gods" there are references to this very thing, what if there
is something to it ? What if humans are led into war because of some
supernatural power having a disagreement then what ? Sounds silly don't it
? What would we think of our military (heads) say "MJ-12" group who is said
to run the country above the known government, if they were to come out and
say "My God, we are dealing with Supernatural beings here, Spirits, and
Demons ! OH MY !" We would laugh them right out of there we would, there is
no chance they are going to tell us what's going on, they don't know how to
tell us (even if they knew) because the truth is stranger than fiction.
...Bryon
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: Re: Saucers or Fiery Chariots. Aliens or Angels.
Date: 23 Dec 89 16:56:00 GMT
In a message to Bryon Smith <12-21-89 09:21> James Nannemann wrote:
JN> dont you think so? I for one would jump at the chance to
JN> become involved with such aliens. Imagine how much we can
JN> learn from them! But how can we learn from them, if the
JN> government keeps the wraps on it indefinetly? Or is the
JN> government doing that because they have been told to, BY
JN> the aliens?
Wonder what we might learn from them ? Would it be in the area of
technology, science, medicine ? What if they are so different from us that
we would not be able to use their knowledge ? Does this sound strange ?
How different could they be ? Consider the posibilities in your own mind ?
Perhaps they did tell the government to keep their mouths shut, perhaps they
even threatened some of our leaders.
...Bryon
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From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: Re: Lazar And His Amazing Saucers
Date: 23 Dec 89 16:57:00 GMT
In a message to Bryon Smith <12-22-89 16:24> Robert Lee wrote:
RL> Again, a very good post. I will read offline and respond.
RL> Thanks for your information.
I hate to get so wordy and long winded..hehe. Now I know where all my times
goes.
...Bryon
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Torson
Subject: Bill Cooper?
Date: 23 Dec 89 17:45:00 GMT
The SysOp on the local ParaNet board has informed me that someone
tried to send a private message to me. This is sort of a non-standard
thing to do on this board, i.e., it isn't really set up to handle
such things. Due to various hardware and software problems, the
message was lost before I received it. I don't know who the message
was from, but apparently it originated on a UNIX system somewhere.
I also don't know the subject of the message, but it might have been
a response to a message I posted that speculated that Bill Cooper
might be motivated by post-hypnotic suggestions. Anyway, you might
want to re-send the message. If you are able to do so, it would
probably be better to route the message to me at my SPAN network
address, which is ASTROG::JTORSON. From a UNIX system, you might
try using the address ASTROG$SPAN::JTORSON.
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(Moderator's Note: Or send mail to 'infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com' and
it will be posted via Fidonet to the person.)
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Torson
Subject: Bill Moore video tape
Date: 23 Dec 89 17:46:00 GMT
About a year ago Bill Moore ran an advertisement on the back cover
of UFO Magazine (Vol. 3, No. 5) saying he would send out a video
tape containing an interview with Richard Doty. We sent off
the money ($30), but never received the tape. Did anyone else send
money to Moore for this tape? If so, did anyone actually receive the
tape?
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Torson
Subject: Intruders Foundation
Date: 23 Dec 89 17:46:00 GMT
After the last MUFON conference, I sent off my money to become a
member of Budd Hopkins' Intruders Foundation. Their flyer seemed
to be promising a Quarterly Bulletin. However, I have never
received anything from them. Did anyone else join? If so, did
you ever receive a copy of their Bulletin?
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin
Subject: Re: Klass Of Fyffe
Date: 23 Dec 89 21:37:00 GMT
Will arrange
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From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Steve.Gresser
Subject: Re: Lazar/Area51
Date: 23 Dec 89 07:19:00 GMT
Don, I think you spend too much time in the sunlight and not enough
locked up in a room with a little computer screen and a . . . no, wait,
scratch that and reverse it!
By the way, I say that China has two months, tops, before the
students return. Just a hunch, shall we say, but I think that rather
than a single credit system there will be a world-wide FIAT dollar.
You do know that the dollar we carry around today is a form of credit,
as it represents nothing more than an intrinsic faith in the modified
Capitalist system? Kind of frightening, when you think about it
(which, evidence of your last message, you certainly do!). Our entire
economy is based on the belief in a Judeo/Christian (sp?) god. Well,
Merry Christmas, Happy New Year/Decade, Happy Chaunnaka, etc. . . . .
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From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder
Subject: Saucers or Fiery Chariots. Aliens or Angels.
Date: 23 Dec 89 23:53:13 GMT
In a message of <21 Dec 89 09:21:03 >, James Nannemann (1:283/630) writes:
>There are pictures of UFOs on
>the walls of Medieval Monestary Churches, in the Pyramids of Egypt, in
>the ruins of the Maya in the Yucatan Pen. of Mexico (which I saw for
Which ruins did you see this (in the Yucatan)? I'll probably be going back there next year and I'd like to see them.
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!T.s..Bennett
Subject: Lazar and the "Happening"
Date: 25 Dec 89 08:24:00 GMT
Here's the skinny on the "Billy Goodman Happening"
It's on most every night from 10 P.M. till 1 A.M.
KVEG radio, 840 on the AM dial. That's "amplitude
modulation" for all you hambones out there. That means that
it is transmitted up to the ionosphere from some hilltop
near Las Vegas at 30,000 watts nighttime, bounces off and
comes down all over the place, spreading into Arizona, here
to California, etc. To ask questions live,(702) 451-5834.
I talked to Billy at his "office" a well known hotel in
the Las Vegas area, (Phone: (702) 731-2111 ask for Billy
Goodman), the hotel is also one of the sponsors on his show,
and he told me that the "Happening" is supposed to be
affiliated with PARANET. He didn't know much about computer
nets, and so I was explaining the deal to him, but it was
Christmas eve and he had a party goin on and so we'll talk
some other time. He didn't seem to know that Pelham had done
serious research into Lazar's background until I told him,
and he asked how I knew so much, and I said because I was
affiliated with UFONET <smile>, he said what's UFONET, and I
told him.
There's a guy called Roger the Dodger who tapes all the
"Billy Goodman Happening" shows, phone (702) 564-4404, who
has copies available of all the three hour shows, which
require TWO 90 MINUTE CASSETTES for $15 plus $3 shipping,
first class in bubble pack. So, for both three hour Lazar
interviews would be $36 bucks. I taped the recent interview
with Lazar on my Revox reel to reel at 7 and 1/2 speed, and
edited all the commercials out and came out with about 2
hours of actual talk with questions and answers. But that's
par for the course with anything these days, everything is
watered down, thinned out, stretched and doctored!
Somebody's got to make a buck even if it isn't
apparently Lazar!
I have my own views as to the authenticity of Lazar, he
didn't answer the question I posed, to my satisfaction. That
doesn't mean that he isn't what he says. However two other
questions were asked that evening to which he answered (I'm
paraphrasing), "I have those numbers written down at home,
I'll call Billy in a couple of days, and tell him the
numbers, and then he can tell all the listeners.
The two things that I reminded Billy to find out from
Lazar were the FREQUENCY OF THE "GRAVITY WAVE", and the
ATOMIC WEIGHT OF THE ELEMENT 115. Both of these figures
could be approached by inquiring minds, and "inquiring minds
want to know!" Especially me and my associates!
The thing I want to concentrate all our efforts on is
the growing ground swell to request a one time only
CONGRESSIONAL AMNESTY for anyone to come forward with
evidence of physical proof from another star system.
Currently it is a FEDERAL CRIME to talk about "government
secrets" and as everybody knows, the government pretty well
controls what is considered secret and what is not.
There are undoubtedly several if not DOZENS OF PEOPLE
WHO WOULD COME FORWARD with anecdotal evidence which would
support Lazar's claim and also build a framework of
circumstantial evidence which would be enough to hang MAJ-12
out on the clothesline for everybody to view, convince
Congress to start a TOP LEVEL INVESTIGATION OF THIS MOST
HEAVY HANDED COVERUP OF ALL TIME, and assure everyone on
Earth that WE ARE NOT ALONE IN THE UNIVERSE!!!
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Bill Moore Video Tape
Date: 25 Dec 89 15:50:00 GMT
Hi Jim. About two years ago I ordered several books from Moore's company.
After 7-8 months I received about 2/3 of my order. I never got the other
books or a refund.
Best,
Clark
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