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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 081
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 81
Thursday, November 16th 1989
Today's Topics:
Area 51
Area 51
Re: Area 51
Re: Radar
Re: Cooper in L.A.
Re: Area 51: The Nevada Test Site's Supersecret UFO Base?
Installment on Dreamland continued.
Hard Copy Close Encounters Episode
Hard Copy Encounters Story
Re: Area 51
ALLEDGED UFO LANDING IN OHIO
Re: Area 51: The Nevada Test Site's Supersecret Ufo Base?
UFO's and small chairs....
Re: Cooper in L.A.
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Area 51
Date: 15 Nov 89 03:26:00 GMT
Hello everybody -- and particularly all those ParaNeters in the Las Vegas
area!
Is anyone making arrangements to obtain videotapes of the news coverage of
the Area 51 reportage?
I feel this is important enough to warrant taping, and I'd be obliged to
anyone who could dub the coverage onto a videocasette for me.
You should all know that this story has received no coverage -- absolutely
NONE -- in the East.
Waiting anxiously...
Clark
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Area 51
Date: 15 Nov 89 04:39:00 GMT
> Is anyone making arrangements to obtain videotapes of the
> news coverage of the Area 51 reportage?
Most certainly. The tape is being made. And, there will be one
available on this for the Channel 13 special as well.
> I feel this is important enough to warrant taping, and I'd
> be obliged to anyone who could dub the coverage onto a
> videocasette for me.
No problem.
> You should all know that this story has received no
> coverage -- absolutely NONE -- in the East.
Doesn't surprise me at all. Something BIG is up in Las Vegas.
We are watching very closely.
Mike
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From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser
Subject: Re: Area 51
Date: 15 Nov 89 03:55:00 GMT
>You should all know that this story has received no
>coverage -- absolutely NONE -- in the East.
Why am I not the least bit surprised?
Jim
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From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: Re: Radar
Date: 14 Nov 89 15:11:00 GMT
> Well, it shouldn't be too hard to create radar to detect
> the Stealth bomber because the aircraft's skin is
> multilayered to absorb radar signals of only one frequency.
I see, and the rest of the design would be designed to reflect/deflect radar
signals in any other direction except back to the source radar system.
Still if the bomber is climbing or turning it will send back a fair sized
signal.
If weather radar can pickup something as thin and non metalic as a cloud
then would the stealth bombers and fighters be more likely to show up on a
weather radar than perhaps a conventional military or airport aircraft radar
?
...Bryon
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From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: Re: Cooper in L.A.
Date: 14 Nov 89 17:39:00 GMT
> I dont know that we should dismiss the *possibility* but I
> don't think "we" did dismiss it. Bill Cooper was listened
> to for quite some time by quite a few people to see if what
> he was saying seemed to have any merit. Most of the people
> who weighed the evidence he "presented" have not been too
> impressed. To me, he presents the M.O. of the classic con
> artist. No matter how many things you catch him in he
> always has an excuse. When you find his story is full of
> holes he says he put them there on purpose to "test" you.
> How much additional time should be wasted on someone like
> that.
Yes and he was on ParaNet long enough with his double talk and rude remarks
that it got to the point where it would not have mattered if what he was
saying was true a good number of the users didn't care to hear it anymore.
I had several users who were calling TAU just for the ParaNet area and the
last messages they left me were private telling me what they thought of Bill
Cooper and how they had lost their taste for ParaNet because of it. Several
of them have never called back and we can thank Bill Cooper for it. When I
decided to remove him from TAU and lock him out I posted a message
explaining why I felt that I had to do it, and that he was running the
interested people off with his rude messages and that my reasons were not
related to his information. He left me a message calling me a few names and
calling me a "Hitler" because I was allowing "free speach" access to ParaNet
via TAU. I laughed about it because it was quite clear to me who was trying
to be a "Hitler" by forcing his opinions on the other ParaNet users and
insulting those who disagreed with him. He came across like "...if you
don't agree with me then you are a moron." The ParaNet users are the judge
of that and I think the majority will agree with me.
As for his information having holes in it, it does, and when called on it he
did say that he was just "testing" those so called UFO researchers and
admitted that he had lied about certain information that he had given just
to see if someone was "smart" enough to catch it.
Mike Corbin and Jim Speiser know that I certanly did try to get along with
Bill Cooper dispite the fact, but when he started running off my good
ParaNet users (which I am very proud of by the way) that was all I could
take, something had to be done and I was not alone in my decision. He was
even telling people to butt out of his "private" conversations in the public
echos.
I wouldn't even be posting this message about him because I don't normally
talk about people in such a way but there is something here to be learned
and those who were not hear when he was might like to know these things.
In my opinion the results of his taking part in conversations on ParaNet was
actually driving good intelligent interested people away from the system,
and perhaps even the subject of UFOs. Perhaps that was his intentions, or
maybe he was not aware of what he was doing, I don't know. I do know that
it was the results of more than one thing that got him removed from ParaNet.
I don't know anyone who wants to continue conversations with someone who
tells them things like (in my words) "...sure, I lied about that just to see
if you were smart enough to figure it out." RIGHT, we are all just little
stupid morons and should believe everything you tell us even when we know
you said you lied about it. Well if he lied about that then what else did
he lie about that he is not telling us ?
I don't care if the "grays" land in his yard and he has photos of them I
wouldn't believe it if I saw the photos. I know that you feel much the same
as I do about the situation but for those who don't know him as well, he has
done his share of damage to the field of UFO research, and has certanly
"tested" our abilities to decide what is and what isn't. He has taught us a
valuable lesson I must say.
If you mix enough fact with the right amount of fiction you will create a
situation where a great number of people will follow, others will be
confused, others will get feed up with it and give up, and the rest just
won't know what's going on. If it gets silly enough everyone will just
laugh it off and say it's all a fake. That to me sounds like Government
Disinformation, that's what they did with the first Blue Book, but
personally I think he is doing it on his own and am not sure of his reasons.
I don't doubt the Government is hiding information about UFOs they hide
everything else they can even when it's not important they try to cover it
up or hide it, it's the nature of the beast.
Sure he is no doubt telling the truth about some of it, but most of it is
old news, and the rest, well if you have the time and patience then suit
yourself, but I personaly have better things to do.
...Bryon
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From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: Re: Area 51: The Nevada Test Site's Supersecret UFO Base?
Date: 14 Nov 89 17:47:00 GMT
> With two top local TV stations here in Las Vegas -- KLAS-TV
> and KTNV-TV -- carrying deadly serious news reports this
> week of real alien UFOs POSSIBLY being flown out of the
> supersecret Area 51, that portion of the U.S. Government's
I certanly hope you are recording this on Video Tape because I want a copy
of it.
Those are local stations there and are not found on Satellite I expect.
...Bryon
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Installment on Dreamland continued.
Date: 15 Nov 89 08:55:00 GMT
November 13, 1989
ParaNet Information Service (Denver, CO) -- In our
continuing coverage of the remarkable revelations coming out of
Las Vegas, Nevada, here is the next installment to the program
aired on November 13, 1989 by television station KLAS-TV and
George Knapp.
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News Anchor persons:
A former government scientist has alleged that the U.S.
military is flying recovered UFOs at a secret base in the Nevada
desert. The allegations about the secret facility near the Groom
Mountains first surfaced on Eyewitness News on last Friday
[November 10, 1989].
Scientist Bob Lazar says that there are at least nine of the
flying saucers being tested and that they were not built on
Earth. George Knapp has more on the continuation of our series
on UFOs.
Lazar: "Yeah. It was obvious it came from somewhere else, uh,
other than Earth."
Scientist Bob Lazar was convinced that the technology he saw
being tested at a secret base in the Nevada desert is of alien
origin, and for Lazar the proof is, at least, partially in the
furniture. One of the nine flying disks he says he saw at the
base, which was designated S-4, looks exactly like this UFO
photographed in Europe [Photo of UFO shown]. Lazar called it
the "sport model."
Lazar: "I gave everything names -- the top hat one and you know
the jello mold and, uh, the sport model operated without any
hitches at all. I mean, it looked new. If I knew what a new
flying saucer looked like. One of them looked like it was hit
with some sort of a projectile. It had a large hole in the
bottom and a large hole in the top with the metal bent out like
some sort of, you know, large caliber 4 or 5 inch had gone
through it."
Even before he saw the sport model operate, Lazar says, he
suspected that the ship came from somewhere else. The
realization slapped him in the face the first time he glimpsed
the inside of the disk.
Lazar: "I got to look inside and it had really small chairs. I
think that was the first confirmation I had. That was just a
shocking thing because everytime before that I was able to label
it. This is just a little advance that a group of scientists had
formed and, you know, they're keeping it secret, and yeah, we
could have built a big disk like that, and yeah, that's no
problem, and, you know, we could have adapted the use(?) to make
it fly, but why does it have little furniture inside? [garbled].
And things began to click together just all too fast."
A few of the disks had been completely dismantled to find
out how they worked, Lazar says, but others were fully
operational. A Japanese TV network created this animated version
of Lazar's story after his first interview with us aired in May
[showing video]. Lazar says the dramatization is similar to a
test flight he witnessed.
Lazar: "The bottom of it glowed blue and began to hiss like any,
like high voltage does on a round sphere. It's my impression
that the reason that they're round and have no sharp edges is to
contain the high voltage like, uh, if you've seen a high voltage
system's insulators -- things are round or else you get a corona
discharge. In either case, it began to hiss as in high voltage
and it lifted off the ground quietly except for that little hiss
in the background, and that stopped as soon as it reached about
20 or 30 feet."
Lazar says the test of the sport model was a short one --
that it made only a few moves before setting back down. He
didn't see who was actually flying the craft, but was very
impressed, nonetheless.
Lazar: "Well, there's no action reaction system to it. There's
no, like in a jet engine, exhaust gas being thrown out -- no
propeller, no noise. It's just, for all intents and purposes,
magic."
To Lazar's knowledge, the flying disks are not being used,
for say, any flights to Jupiter. He said excessive caution and
intense secrecy contributed to the plodding pace of the program
and were a main source of his disenchantment.
Lazar: "It's just unfair, outright, not to put it in the hands
of the overall scientific community. There are people much more
capable of dealing with this information, and by this time would
have gotten a lot further along than this small select group of
people working out in the middle of the desert. They don't even
have the facilities, really, to completely analyze what they're
dealing with."
Gene Huff: "Well he was being quiet. If he kept me abreast of
anything, he kept me abreast of the security checks -- they'd
randomly drop by his house. They'd threaten his life; they'd
threaten his wife's life. They had done all that so we really
didn't converse, I mean, he really was adhering to the program."
Gene Huff is a Las Vegas real estate appraiser. A regular
guy who just happens to have a friend in the flying saucer
business. He learned about Lazar's S-4 experiences only after a
long period. Lazar is anxious for people to know that he didn't
just run right out and spill the secrets of the universe, and
that some things are properly kept confidential.
Lazar: "I did not believe that this should be a security matter.
Some of it, sure. But, just the concept that there's definite
proof, and uh, we even have articles from another world, another
system, you just can't not tell everyone. A lot of people don't
believe that. But, I do."
When he reached what he felt was his bursting point, he took
Huff and a few others to the edge of the Groom Mountains to see
the flights for themselves. A total of five witnesses on two
consecutive weeks managed to dodge security patrols long enough
to see the strange glowing object lift above the mountain.
Huff(?): "Uh, it came up above the same mountain. It moved
around. It did a step move -- it actually went up in the air
like this [showing details with hands] and it hovered then
dropped way down then it just floated around and cruised around.
It starts coming up the mountain range...."
This home video tape was recorded during one of the trips to
the Groom Mountains [showing video tape. A lot of
talking....Object in sight....Mention of brightness of the
object....].
Admittedly, the tape proves very little by itself because,
with the distance and darkness, there are no reference points
other than the alleged flying disk, but Lazar's information about
the time and location of the test flight proves correct -- not
once but twice. That, according to our off-camera interviews
with each of the other witnesses. Gene Huff describes his second
sighting:
Huff: "Through the telescope we could see an elliptical-shaped
light. You can only get so close even with a telescope to a
secure facility. Anyway, it came up by us very rapidly. It
glowed and glows brighter like a star and we almost got the
feeling that it was going to explode, it glowed so brightly. We
backed up behind the car then it went down and glowed back up a
little bit and then very softly glided back over, back where the
mountains where it came up, hovered for awhile, and then that's
that....Just like you see in the movies."
Bob Lazar isn't the only person to claim "inside knowledge"
of the flying disks at the test site -- he is just the only
person to say so publicly. We have communicated with several
people who say they know of the saucer program. A technician in
a highly sensitive position told us it is "common knowledge among
those with high security clearances that recovered alien disks
are stored at the Nevada test site." A Las Vegas professional,
who once served in the military and was stationed at the test
site, said he saw a flying disk land outside the boundaries of
Area 51 -- that it was quickly surrounded by security personnel
and that he was taken away and debriefed for several hours. A
man who once worked at Groom Lake as a technician, at our
request, wrote this letter explaining how he inadvertently walked
into the wrong hangar and saw what appeared to be a large
metallic disk under a tarp. It was being examined by men in lab
coats. And, an airman who worked at Nellis at a radar
installation says he and his fellow servicemen watched over a
period of five nights, unusual objects flying over the Groom
Mountains. He says the radar images indicates the objects zoomed
into range at speeds of 7,000 miles per hour and then would stop
on a dime, and that nothing we have is capable of doing that.
The airman says that when word of his sighting got out, he was
ordered to turn off his radar sensors for that area and told to
keep quiet about the matter because it did not happen.
None of this means that the military is actually flying
alien spacecraft in the Nevada desert. It could all perhaps be
explained as some other secret program. Lazar insists that's not
the case.
We put the matter to the U.S. Navy, which according to
Lazar, is running the saucer show. Four different naval offices
were contacted. All denied having any information in their
files. The Naval Research Lab said it conducted a thorough
search but found "zip." Naval Intelligence said much the same
thing, adding, it is not required to create a file where one
doesn't exist. A side note: We also requested files on a UFO
sighting over Tremonton, Utah in 1952. The Navy spent more than
a thousand hours studying film of that sighting -- a fact that's
been noted in several publications -- but, for purposes of our
request, the Navy couldn't find those files either.
Lazar: "The group that runs this project, whether it really is
the Navy or they just say that, apparently these people have
executive power -- they don't report to anyone."
Tomorrow, more troubling allegations of the military
potential of alien technology.
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This file is available on ParaNet as Area51-2.ufo.
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From: paranet!Jeff.Ballard
Subject: Hard Copy Close Encounters Episode
Date: 15 Nov 89 22:10:00 GMT
Hard Copy Close Encounters Story....................
On Monday (11/20), the newsmagazine show Hard Copy will air a show
concerning "alleged encounters with extraterrestrial life". There
may be follow-up segments on Tuesday and Wednesday. One of the
participants is Cynthia Vodovoz. Cynthia's abduction story was
recently covered in a Birmingham News article ( the abduction
occurred in B'ham in October of 1973). Cynthia had an opportunity
to see a rough edit of the show and said that although it used a lot
of old material, it was at least positive in nature. It should be
interesting. Watch for Communion, the movie to open soon. I've
heard it's pretty good, putting aside all the recent attacks on
Strieber and Strieber's own peculiar behavior!
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From: paranet!Jeff.Ballard
Subject: Hard Copy Encounters Story
Date: 15 Nov 89 22:15:00 GMT
The text of the B'ham News article is in the Miscellaneous News area of
the Paranet files under the title Bham.doc............BJB
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: Area 51
Date: 15 Nov 89 22:48:00 GMT
Many thanks, Michael! I'll send you a cassette (VHS). It happens I just
got a pack at Tower, because I owe a cassette to someone else.
Much obliged!
Clark
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From: paranet!Dale.Wedge
Subject: ALLEDGED UFO LANDING IN OHIO
Date: 16 Nov 89 00:21:00 GMT
AN ALLEDGED UFO MEASURING 46 FEET IN DIAMETER LANDED IN
THE YARD OF A MILLERSBURG, OHIO RESIDENTS YARD ON MONDAY
OR TUESDAY (NOV 13 - 14), 1989. MILLERSBURG IS LOCATED
IN HOLMES COUNTY IS IS SOUTHEAST OF CLEVELAND, OHIO
AND NORTEAST OF COLUMBUS, OHIO.
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT RESPONDED AND TOOK PROPER
MEASUREMENTS. FROM WHAT IS KNOWN, THE SITE ALSO SHOWS
FOUR INDENTATIONS IN THE SOIL AND SOME COMPACTTION FROM
THE WEIGHT. IT IS NOT KNOWN IF THE SITE WAS SURVEYED FOR
RADIATION. THIS INFORMATION WAS PASSED ON TO MUFON STATE
DIRECTOR FOR FURTHER INVESTIGATION.
THE HOLMES COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ADVISED THAT THEY
CALLED WRIGHT-PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE AND ASKED FOR ASSIS-
TANCE ON THIS CASE. IT IS NOT KNOWN AT THIS TIME IF ANY-
ONE HAS RESPONDED FROM THE AIR BASE.
IF ANYONE ELSE HAS SEEN ANY INFORMATION ON THIS THROUGH
THE MEDIA OR BY UPLOAD TO ANY BOARDS, PLEASE EITHER LEAVE
ME E-MAIL HERE OR YOU MAY CALL ME AT MY PHONE NUMBER:
DALE B. WEDGE
216-285-9408
REMEMBER, I LIVE ON THE EAST COAST FOR YOU WEST COAST PEOPLE.
THERE HAS ALSO BEEN A REPORT THAT THERE WAS A SIGHTING AND/
OR PERHAPS A LANDING IN INDIANA AROUND THE SAME TIME.
WE (MUFON STATE SECTION DIRECTORS OF N.E. OHIO) WERE
CALLED BY A LOCAL TV PERSONALITY WHO CLAIMED THAT
HE SAW WHAT WAS REPORTED IN INDIANA DURING THIS WEEK.
IF ANYONE HAS INFO ON THIS ALLEDGED SHTING/LANDING,
ALSO PLEASE LEAVE MAIL OCALL.
DALE B. WEDGE
SORRY ABOUT THE TYPOS, WE ARE HAVING A LIGHTNING STORM.
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From: paranet!Robert.Klinn
Subject: Re: Area 51: The Nevada Test Site's Supersecret Ufo Base?
Date: 16 Nov 89 05:57:00 GMT
1. Originally, KLAS-TV's UFO series, "UFOs: The Best Evidence," --
for which I understand there is a tremendous demand for copies -- and
which has included the ultimate UFO bombshell on Area 51, was scheduled
to run only seven days: 11/6, 11/7, 11/8, 11/9, 11/10, 11/13, and
11/14. It was then extended to include 11/15, 11/16, 11/17, and 11/20,
but tonight it was announced the final segment will be on 11/16.
2. KLAS-TV's "Dubbing Department" has quoted a price of $100 per
segment for each of the fifteen-minute segments. "With special
permission," they "might" be able to get you a copy of all segments for
$300. But that quote was made at the time there were only seven -- not
nine or more -- segments scheduled. However, the Dubbing Department
lady said copies will be "scare as hens' teeth," and she advised
personal taping.
Everything broadcast thus far lasts about two hours.
The week after Thanksgiving, KLAS-TV will present another two-hour UFO
program -- apparently reprising and updating the material and which
will be broadcast in one piece.
I am reliably informed that Mike Corbin has a copy of the KLAS-TV
segments thus far.
3. KTNV-TV's UFO report, "Area 51: Code Name Dreamland," aired
tonight for about five minutes and will continue Thursday and Friday,
including info on what they have announced as Project Aurora.
Tonight, the reporters are shown driving to the edge of the Nevada Test
Site -- possibly close to Area 51 -- and you can see them being turned
away by a security guard in a camouflage fatigues with no apparent
insignia. In the reporters' car, you hear them receiving short wave
communications between other security guards monitoring those
approaching Area 51 from non-U.S. Government property.
Robert B. Klinn
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Linda.Murphy
Subject: UFO's and small chairs....
Date: 15 Nov 89 16:43:00 GMT
Study up on aviation and early design of passenger planes... small cabins,
small lightweight crew members... and tiny petite flight attendents... and
no heavy weights aboard.... new aerodesigns? (Just a thought.... for you
to think about).....
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From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton
Subject: Re: Cooper in L.A.
Date: 15 Nov 89 19:22:00 GMT
Well said. It is amazing how someone like Cooper together with his
stories sort of take on a life of their own. It does go to show what
one determined person can accomplish (whether for good or bad).
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