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Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 84
Monday, November 20th 1989
Today's Topics:
Re: ALLEDGED UFO LANDING IN OHIO
Re: The Closest Encounter
Re: The Fall Of Stalinism
Re: Roswell Update!
More on Lazar and Dreamland/Area 51
Re: The Closest Encounter
Re: Bill Cooper's lecture in L.A.
Re: Pu/wolf 424
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: ALLEDGED UFO LANDING IN OHIO
Date: 20 Nov 89 03:58:00 GMT
Hello Dale.
Absolutely no coverage in the New York metro area or on the national wires
of the Millersburg Ohio case. This is as of 19 November at 11 p.m.
Sounds like a very good one. At what time did the event occur?
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: The Closest Encounter
Date: 20 Nov 89 04:06:00 GMT
> A Current Affair will be showing a tape that was shot by a
> S.C. woman of 6 objects in the sky. No one was in her
> house but when she panned the camera across the edge of her
> house there was someone/thing moving inside the window.
Weird tape, or what? Funny how those lights in the sky held that nice
"flying wing" formation, wasn't it? It looked JUST like the video of the
Westchester Wing.
And that movement by the window was VERY strange. We only have the lady's
word that she was alone at the time -- but something WAS in there.
Very strange.
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!Clark.Matthews
Subject: Re: The Fall Of Stalinism
Date: 20 Nov 89 04:32:00 GMT
> OK, gang, I'll spill my guts. I had paid very little
> attention to the many quotes of Ronald Reagan, saying "What
> if we faced a common enemy from outer space?" After all,
> every schoolboy from eighth grade on has had the same
> thought.
>
> But now, I'm not so sure....
Neither am I Jim. Neither am I.
It is worth noting that the offensive potential of the USSR has not been
diminished one whit by the European pullbacks & demobilisation of the
several armored divisions by Mr. Gorbachev. The USSR is fully prepared to
fight any adversary -- be it a "common enemy from outer space" or the US.
Personally, I think that Gorbachev has taken a page from Disraeli.
Disraeli, a conservative, extended the franchise to all males over 21 in
Britain. He singlehandedly pulled the rug out from under the Liberals, the
Marxists & the anarchists by TREATING the British working class as fellow
citizens. And by doing so, Disraeli ensured the survival & triumph of his
party and his imperial policies for two generations.
It was a masterstroke. By doing the same thing, Gorbachev has ensured his
political survival and the survival of the communist party (that's right:
the elitist, propertied, powerful, privileged, secret-police running
Communist Party). Gorbachev may, like Disraeli, have set events in motion
that will get beyond the party's control. But it won't happen anytime soon.
And he's built up enough capital by making these things happen that he can
do OTHER things -- sinister things, if he wants -- with near impunity.
Especially if they can't be tied directly to him.
Please note that the Poles pulled down the statue of Felix Dzherzhinsky in
Warsaw on November 18th. Dzherzhinsky was the pathological bastard who
created Cheka -- the terrorist forerunner of KGB.
But in Moscow, Dzherzhinsky Square -- complete with the monster's statue --
is very much intact. And so is the Lubyanka Jail on the square. Meanwhile,
from Prague to Wroclaw to Leipzip to Budapest to Sofia, people march through
the streets chanting "Gor-by! Gor-by!" People in other lands did the same
thing for guys like Robespierre, Napoleon, Fidel, Adolf ... what's happening
now is wonderful. But what will it turn into? How will its energy be
harnessed? And who will harness it?
Not to be a wet blanket ... but there's still the endgame. And we're
clearly playing against a grand master.
To Chess!
Best,
Clark
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From: paranet!f207.n914.z8.FIDONET.ORG!Robert.Sheaffer
Subject: Re: Roswell Update!
Date: 18 Nov 89 04:08:59 GMT
>
> Its no secret that Klass believes Moore is "in on" the hoax in some
> way. What's your feeling on that issue? And how recent is the
> typewriter information - first I'd heard of it.
>
> Jim
>
> --- QuickBBS v2.04
> * Origin: -=<ParaNet Zeta Reticuli [sm]>=- Scottsdale, AZ (1:114/37)
I'll let Phil speak for himself on his opinions. As for me, I have
my suspicions, but until they can be proven, one must be circumspect.
The "smoking gun" about the typewriter used in the hoax MJ-12 papers
waill soon be out in Moseley's SAUCER SMEAR, if I understood Jim right
the last time we spoke. Phil is also preparing an account for
publication in The Skeptical Inquirer. Hw long was this known? To we
skeptics, a few weeks. But to Bill Moore - and presumably his pals - it
has been known for quite some time, but he DEEP SIX'ed the damaging
info. Sounds like the old 'Travis Walton polygraph flame-out' cover-up
that Klass uncovered long ago! It seems if he were interersted in
getting at the TRUTH, instead of trumpeting the "party line", we would
have heard about this from Moore himself long ago!
The beer? Some stupid non-alcoholic beer that tastes like donkey spit.
Why else would it be on the shelf, instead of in the refrigerator?
Robert Sheaffer - San Jose, CA
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From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: More on Lazar and Dreamland/Area 51
Date: 20 Nov 89 07:16:00 GMT
November 14, 1989
ParaNet Information Service (Denver, CO) -- In our
continuing coverage of the Riddle of Area 51, here is yet another
installment of the KLAS-TV program being aired in Las Vegas,
Nevada featuring Bob Lazar, who has 'come out of the closet' so
to speak with information regarding government testing of UFOs.
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Just over this ridge [showing a photo of Area 51], tucked
inside the test tubes of a hidden government base, the secrets of
the universe may be unfolding. The area is designated S-4, and
according to one man who claims to have worked there, S-4 harbors
scientific achievements that would astonish our deepest
thinkers. It is technology that, if it exists, could change the
world, but is allegedly bottled up by military minds.
Lazar: "It's not an overall government project. It's not
something that Congress appropriates money for. 2 billion is for
this; 15 billion for flying saucers; 8 billion for Star Wars. It
doesn't go like that. I don't believe that they have any
knowledge of it at all."
The technology that Bob Lazar says he saw extends far beyond
flying saucers. An anti-matter reactor allows the spaceships to
produce their own gravitational fields, he says, such a
technology, if real, would answer UFO skeptics who argue that
aliens could never visit Earth because the distances between
worlds are too great, even at the speed of light.
Lazar: "Gravity distorts time and space. Just like if you had a
water bed and put a bowling ball in the middle. It warps it down
like that -- that's exactly what happens to space. Imagining
that you were in a spacecraft that could exert a tremendous
gravitational field by itself you could sit on any particular
place and turn on the gravity generator and actually warp space
and time, and fold it. By shutting that off, you'd click back
and you'd be a tremendous distance from where you were but time
would not have even moved because you essentially shut it off. I
mean it is so far fetched, people....it's difficult for people to
grasp, and as stubborn as the scientific community is they'll
never buy it, but this is, in fact, that's just what happens."
Actually, Lazar's explanation is very close to mainstream
scientific thought, and can be traced directly to Einstein. The
difference is scientists regard it as theory only. There is much
that science still doesn't know.
Dale Etheridge (Scientist): "There are people who say that our
main problem with that is we don't know what gravity is. It's
this magical force that acts at a distance. We can describe how
it behaves -- that's what the law of gravity is -- it's just a
description of how it behaves, but it says nothing about what
gravity really is."
We'll use Etheridge as our barometer of scientific thought.
He says we cannot produce gravity; that there's no such thing as
a working anti-matter reactor, and that we have yet to figure out
a way to get around the speed of light. He also concedes,
though, such things are possible.
Etheridge: "Yeah. And really we don't know what's possible as
there could be other civilizations out there several hundred
years or so -- a thousand years, even a million years ahead of
us -- that have found a way to circumvent this. We have no way
of knowing for sure."
Lazar: "Well, the thing is when you harness gravity, you harness
everything. It's the missing piece in physics right now. We
really know very little about gravity."
At least that's the way it used to be. Lazar says the
technology to harness gravity not only exists but is being tested
at S-4. And, if such technology is beyond human capabilities, it
must have come from someplace else. It's more than conjecture,
he says, because he also saw an element that cannot be found on
the periodic chart. The element, called 115, can be stored in
lead casings much like this one [showing a lead circular
container]. Lazar says the government has 500 pounds of it, and
it cannot be made on earth.
Lazar: "It would be almost impossible; well, it is impossible to
synthesize an element that heavy here on Earth."
Interviewer: "At least right now."
Lazar: "I don't think that you can ever synthesize it. The
amount of....you essentially have to assemble it by bombarding it
with protons if....atom by atom, it would take an infinite amount
of power and an infinite amount of time. The substance has to
come from a place where super-heavy elements could have been
produced naturally.
And what sort of place is that?
Lazar: "Next to a much larger sun where there would be greater
mass. Maybe a binary star system -- a super-nova -- somewhere
where there is just a bigger release of energy to synthesize
these things naturally. It has to be a naturally occurring
element."
115 is the fuel for the anti-matter reactors, he says. By
bombarding 115 anti-matter is produced. A kilo of anti-matter
could produce the energy equivalent of 46 ten-megaton hydrogen
bombs, and comparing the energy potential of anti-matter to, say,
the Hoover Dam would be like comparing planets to grains of sand.
115 could also make one heck of a bomb.
Lazar: "We're talking about hundreds and hundreds of megatons
off a small piece of it. It sounds incredible, but total
conversion of matter to energy would release that amount of
power. And it isn't that difficult to take....get the energy out
of it. So it's not something you'd ever want to fall anyone's
hands."
The dangers associated with 115 and anti-matter may be the
reason Lazar was hired to work at S-4. There was an accident, he
says, back in April 1987. An accident that was passed off as an
unannounced nuclear test.
Lazar: "Some people got killed. I was told flat out I was one
of the people that were to replace these guys."
Is this why the government might be keeping the whole matter
a secret? Because of the military potential of alien technology?
Lazar says he believes the Soviet Union was once part of our
research on the flying disks, but that the U.S. kicked the
Soviets out after making some sort of discovery. He also
believes the program at S-4 is operated with funds allocated to
Star Wars research, but says he can't prove it. Some UFO
researchers suspect the government is test flying alien craft so
that it can one day master the technology and claim it was made
in the good old U.S.A., thus obscuring the possibility of alien
visitations.
Stanton T. Friedman: "I think they have the duty to inform us.
At least to the bare bones of what's going on. I don't want
technological stuff put out on the table. I mean, I worked on
classified projects for 15 years, and I don't think we need
another weapon's delivery system. But I think the government
does have the responsibility to release information that, indeed,
the planet is being visited. Probably it should be done in
conjunction with the Soviets."
Lazar: "I don't think that it will get to that level. They're
not going to have a fleet of them and fly them around and....I
don't think you need to do that. If you're looking at them from
a weapons point of view, you're looking at an incredibly powerful
device. You only need one to operate. You don't ever need to
come public with it. You may want to learn more about it should
it ever break which is....might be what they're doing. Uh...."
Interviewer: "They've got one...."
Lazar: "Oh, they've got a few. Yeah."
Lazar is the first to admit that his story is tough to
swallow. He submitted to polygraph exams that opened up
sensitive parts of his personal life, and fully expects to be
ridiculed or perhaps punished for his revelations. His desire to
explain what really happened at S-4 took us to Layne Keck, a
licensed experienced hypnotherapist who quietly and privately
tried to help Lazar remember details of the many briefing papers
he says he read.
Keck: "I have no clue as to what we were getting to, and he
started saying that there were pictures of what I thought was
desks on the wall. Well as it turned out, it was disks that he
was referring to. And, at that moment, I realized we were into
something that was pretty heavy."
Keck does not exaggerate his claims for hypnosis. He
regards it as a useful tool for uncovering some lost memory. He
says people are quite capable of lying under hypnosis, but says
the technique can be of help in determining truth. What's his
opinion of Lazar's truthfulness?
Keck: "It tells me that his subconscious mind believes totally
all of these things."
Lazar has long suspected that his government employers used
some sort of mind control technique to prevent him from
disclosing too much about S-4. While he says he has vivid
conscious memories of the saucers and other technology there were
other memories, that even now, remained locked, which is why he
sought out Keck in the first place. Keck is convinced that
someone really did mess with Lazar's head.
Keck: "Also they used primitive fear in threatening those in his
environment if he did bring this information forth. Also, it
appears that maybe there were some chemicals used."
Lazar: "Nah, I'm not going to change anyone's mind. That not my
intention. I'm just relaying the experience. The job that I
went through. It is a fantastic thing. It's a fantastic story.
I can't take people there to show them what was going on, and uh,
you know, I don't expect anyone to believe it."
What if he is right? What if aliens are here? How would
this change our view of the world? Our most fundamental beliefs,
which is religion? We'll know more on that tomorrow.
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From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith
Subject: Re: The Closest Encounter
Date: 20 Nov 89 13:58:00 GMT
> Weird tape, or what? Funny how those lights in the sky
> held that nice "flying wing" formation, wasn't it? It
> looked JUST like the video of the Westchester Wing.
I have plaied it over and over and the lights do move in relationship to
each other and change formation. They certainly do not appear to have a
normal lighting configuration for typical aircraft.
I am glad there was an airplane that flew across the field of view during
the sighting to show the difference in the way aircraft are lighted.
> And that movement by the window was VERY strange. We only
> have the lady's word that she was alone at the time -- but
> something WAS in there.
Something did appear to be in the house, her and her husband were outside as
he was the one who saw the objects in the sky and called her to come out and
see them.
What ever "it" was, did not appear to be natural either. It didn't appear
as a "man walking" at all, but almost floated across the window.
I have considered the wind blowing something inside the house, a curtain or
something, that might have appeard to look that way when viewed through the
camera lens.
...Bryon
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From: paranet!Marc.Dantonio
Subject: Re: Bill Cooper's lecture in L.A.
Date: 20 Nov 89 16:16:00 GMT
Greg
Thanks for the information on Bill Cooper. As a professional astronomer
I have to hotly contest Cooper's assertion about the Galileo mission
dropping 50 pounds of plutonium into Jupiter's atmosphere. In fact,
after I got up off the floor from hilarious laughter I sat down to
write this reply to you just for fun. I cannot believe that Cooper
believes that 50 pounds of plutonium in Jupiter's atmosphere is going
to cause anything more than 50 pounds of plutonium in Jupter's
atmosphere! Oh the ignorance is unbelievable! This though requires a
reply on stellar evolution, which is beyond the scope of this board but
I will just say a short (I mean it honest!) note about it:
Stars are powered by Hydrogen fusion reactions. In order to initiate
these reactions, tremendous pressures and heat are required. This
tremendous pressure (and thus the heat) are generated by the sheer mass
of material bearing down on a compact core of hydrogen. Stars like the
sun need a certain mass to fire off the fusion reactions. Jupiter lacks
this mass by a SUBSTANTIAL degree and would have to amass a lot more
hydrogen before the internal temperature would be made high enough to
sustain a fusion reaction. A plutonium FISSION reaction in the form of
a mega-bomb would not provide even a glint of possible success in
starting a fusion reaction. Too many variables and it wont be possible.
All it would do would be to blow a temporary hole in Jupiter's
atmosphere. I wish I were there to contest him publicly!
Marc
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From: paranet!Marc.Dantonio
Subject: Re: Pu/wolf 424
Date: 20 Nov 89 16:26:00 GMT
John
Glad to hear from you and your response to Cooper. I received my
astronomy degree from Wesleyan University in Middletown and did my
research in the Parallax program there for YEARS.... When I heard
Cooper talking about the plutonium "trigger" , I did what I do when
this man talks: I laughed so hard I had tears in my eyes! I thought it
was rather inane topic he was trying to attack and he has NO concept
for stellar mass requirements whatsoever. Typical layman trying to
venture into a professional area WITHOUT doing prior research. I just
laugh it off dont you?
Marc
ps
I encourage people to come into astronomy but I also encourage the
extensive use of reference materials for information so that the
learning curve can be lessened.
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