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Abduction Digest Number 69
Abduction Digest, Number 69
Wednesday, July 29th 1992
(C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved.
Today's Topics:
Bathwater
Problems
Vacation
Common Factors in Abudctees?
Hopkins
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From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: Bathwater
Date: 20 Jul 92 08:09:53 GMT
Pony, thanks for your message. I quite agree that there are people who have
hallucinations, who are delusional, who have vivid dreams, and so forth. My
guess is that much of the world is bathwater. But the point of abduction
research, to a degree, is to make sure that a baby has not been thrown out
with it. There is strong evidence to suggest that UFO researchers, unaware of
the abduction phenomenon, simply chalked up much of their more puzzling cases
to mental aberrations. I know that I am guilty of doing this when I was doing
sighting investigations many years ago. I strongly suspect that many others
have done the same thing.
Incidentally, we have very good evidence to show that unusual or anomalous
experiences do not happen to everybody. Budd Hopkins and I contracted with
the Roper Poll organization and conducted a systematic survey of 6,000 people
in the U.S. to determine just how many of them had had ten different types of
anomalous experience. The numbers ranged from about seven percent to about 23
percent. The point is that the vast majority of people do not have the
experiences that you have related. I must admit, I have had nothing out of
the ordinary ever happen to me, but who knows what might happen tomorrow.
Best Wishes
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From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: Problems
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:02:37 GMT
I have the highest regard for Mark Rodeghier whom I have known for many
years. We discussed the definition at the MIT conference and he agreed that
something about investigations should be added to it. He defended his not
asking others about the definition, and we disagreed about this.
I am afraid that I am going to have to cease communication with you. Your
relentless hostility to virtually anything I say is inappropriate to this
friendly bulletin board. I am not sure what your problem is, but accusing me
of using a psychological ploy, or psychological footwork, and the like, is
childish and insulting. If you wish to learn about the abduction phenomenon
as I, and my colleague Budd Hopkins have confronted it, then communication may
go forward. However, the conversation as it has been recently constituted is
something in which I have no desire to participate.
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From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: Vacation
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:13:23 GMT
I'll be going on vacation in Cape Cod for a few weeks starting July 25.
When I return I'll try to get to the rest of the messages that I have not
responded to yet. Cheers.
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Common Factors in Abudctees?
Date: 26 Jul 92 00:14:00 GMT
David,
I'm enjoying your book very much and have been discussing it
with good friends as I progress through the pages. In those talks
much appreciation has been expressed for the logical and analytical
way you've approached defining the abduction experience -- it's
rather like the definition of encounters (first, second, third kind,
etc) in its clarity and, actually, simplicty. This is an essential
step that other researchers seem to have overlooked in their zeal to
tell whichever story they're reporting on in their current books.
But a question has arisen too and I'm hoping you can provide some
insight on it as well. Given that there are standard events at each
stage of the abductee phenomena, there is obviously pattern
involved. Is there also pattern in the selection of the abductees?
That is, do they have anything in common? Has anyone collated the
data on all the abductees to see (as you've done with the abductee
phenomena itself) what things are shared in common and what things
are not? If we could say that, for instance, abductees are:
age 0-52
caucasian, black, hispanic [but not asian]
well nourished [not undernourished -- no anorexics]
not obese [the opposite defect to undernourished]
not bearded though some may wear moustaches
and so on...whatever might be accurate, perhaps we could learn
something about what kind of people are being selected and if we
could learn that, perhaps we could begin to understand why. If the
"abductees are" category is too broad, the reverse might work:
"abductees are not:" (no one with the following is known to have
been abducted--or people who have been abducted don't/aren't the
following:)
over age 52
asian, eskimo, american indian
more than 20 pounds under normal weight for their height
more than 30 pounds over normal weight for their height
totally bald
extremely hirsute
...
These are merely examples, of course, and are not intended to
suggest that any of this is factual but merely to serve as starting
points for discussion.
Could something like this be achieved? Or do you believe
the selection of "victims" is totally random and never a matter of
selection (apart from trying to find people who are not in large
crowds.) One person in our discussion mentioned she had never read
of abductees -- among those who describe seeing other human
abductees in the same area where they're taken and examined -- who
reported being in the company of fellow abductees who are
handicapped, obese, wearing a cast or similar medical protective
device, blind, etc. *If* that proved to be correct, it would
indicate there is active selection involved in choosing abduction
candidates, and if there's selection then there's a way to thwart it
(for those who'd want to.)
I will welcome any comments you may find time to make,
understanding you're very busy.
Thanks for your interest.
==Peggy
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From: John.Powell@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell)
Subject: Hopkins
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:03:04 GMT
What have you heard about the latest from Budd Hopkins?
"I will be presenting what I believe to be the most important case for
establishing the objective reality of UFO abductions that I have yet
encountered. It concerns the abduction, in November of 1989, of a woman
from her twelfth floor apartment in New York City. This event was
apparently witnessed by at least 14 independent observers, four of whom
subsequently contacted me. One of these witnesses is a major political
figure, two others are security men who were traveling with him, and the
fourth is a wom an who happenned to be driving across the Brooklyn
Bridge while the abduction was occuring. All four saw the UFO hovering
above the apartment building, a bluish-white beam of light shining down
from its underside, and watched the abductee, together with three
aliens, _floating in the light twelve stories above the street_.
[Emphasis BH] (Budd Hopkins, An Open Letter from Budd Hopkins, MUFON
UFO Journal, Number 290, June 1992, Copyright 1992 by the Mutual UFO
Network, 103 Oldtowne Rd., Seq uin, Texas 78155 , published monthly with
a membership/subscription rate of $25/yr.)
Thanks, take care.
John.
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