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Abduction Digest Number 78
Abduction Digest, Number 78
Tuesday, November 10th 1992
(C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved.
Today's Topics:
Linda Case
Survey
Linda Case
Interesting Account
It's All In Your Head 1/
It's All In Your Head 2/
Interesting Account Con't
Artesia, New Mexico
Linda case
Spheres and OOBE
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From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: Linda Case
Date: 2 Nov 92 07:53:16 GMT
Hold on. Steady. The attacks are beginning to be mounted in the Linda case.
Hansen's is probably not the last of them. Please reserve judgement until Budd
publishes all of his data. Budd Hopkins is one of the most respected research-
ers in the history of UFO investigations. He deserves to have the benefit of
the doubt in all attacks until he publishes the complete history of the Linda
case. I will have more to say about this case in the future.
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From: John.Powell@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell)
Subject: Survey
Date: 2 Nov 92 06:14:02 GMT
-=> Quoting John Burke to John Powell <=-
JB> Nice posting! I was particularly interested in this
JB> passage:
> [3] - TRONDANT is a fictional word... [...]
JB> ... which makes me wonder how many people read through that survey
JB> like this:
>> ... Yeah ... once or twice. ...
>> ... Oh yeah! More than twice ... about 4 or 5 times! ...
>> ... Yep! At least 3 times. ...
>> ... Oh yeah! -- TRONDANT!! Wow! I haven't heard *that*
>> word in a LONG time! F***in' TRONDANT! Now what was that
>> supposed to mean, anyway? ... Wow! Just thinking of
>> that word again is causing me to have FLASHBACKS!! ...
>> I can still see THOSE EYES!! ... And that sulphur smell
>> that Whitley used to describe! ... Too much!! ...
I think Whitley's sulphur smell had rather more to do with what he ate
than what was eating him...<GRIN, pffutt, pfffutt!>
JB> I'd bet that the number of people who fall for TRONDANT is
JB> a lot higher on these paranormal-related bbs-es. --
JB> probably *much* higher than 1%!
I don't honestly know but I honestly wouldn't be surprised. There is
already an attractant associated with time on paranormal-related BBSs...
Oh darn... There's that sulphur odor again... Gotta go! <GRIN>
Thanks, take care.
John.
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<Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence>
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From: Don.Allen@p1.f81.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Linda Case
Date: 4 Nov 92 15:18:00 GMT
> AREA:ABDUCT
> Hold on. Steady. The attacks are beginning to be mounted in the
> Linda case. Hansen's is probably not the last of them. Please
> reserve judgement until Budd publishes all of his data. Budd
> Hopkins is one of the most respected researchers in the history of
> UFO investigations. He deserves to have the benefit of the doubt in
> all attacks until he publishes the complete history of the Linda
> case. I will have more to say about this case in the future.
Hi David,
Can you answer 2 questions?
1). How reliable is Linda's story?
2). Who else can verify Hopkin's data?
Thanks!
Don
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From: Gary.Long@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Gary Long)
Subject: Interesting Account
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:09:46 GMT
(157) Tue 3 Nov 92 21:14
By: Cliff Treadaway
To: Steve Gresser
Re: Area 51 names
St:
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@MSGID: 1:3632/24 5095891c
@REPLY: 1:114/37 9616a2f6
@PID: GE 1/b20
I read your message and if you are really serious about your ufo's, here's a
first hand account:
In 1968 I worked with my father on a wireline tug (we cleaned parafin buildup
out of producing oil wells). I believe it was about June of 1968, we had pulled
up to a well about 3 miles west of Point-a-la-Hache, Louisiana. At about 7:00
am, my Dad, as was his practice, began cooking a stew for lunch. At about 8:30
we hooked up to the well and were about to start "going down" with the cleaning
tool. To the East, on a bright, sunny, blue sky kind of day, we noticed what
appeared to be an airplane. It was very shiny. One problem...it wasn't moving.
We watched it in silence for what we thought was about 10 minutes. At the end
of the 10 minutes, we shrugged it off, mainly because it disappeared. I went
to check the stew...it had burned completely to charcoal in the black iron pot.
We checked our watches, It was 4:00 pm.
What happened? We don't know. We called Alvin Calendar Naval Air Base and
reported the incident by phone. They took the information but nothing ever
came of it. It seemed very strange, but we have not had any ill effects other
than we don't talk about it, because everybody at the time thought we were
nuts! We lost almost a whole day. Neither one of us have any memory of the
event except that we agree on what it looked like....kind of cigar shaped with
a tail or antennae on the right, that seemed to rotate to a center position
prior to zooming away almost straight up.
Is this weird or what?
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: It's All In Your Head 1/
Date: 7 Nov 92 05:41:02 GMT
* Forwarded from "Fidonet UFO Conference"
* Originally by Ralph Toscano
* Originally to All
* Originally dated 30 Oct 1992, 10:53
I thought that the following article would be of interest to my fellow
users...
This article is verbatim from the New Haven Register, (i.e., New Haven
Connecticut for those of you not familiar with New England).
Dr. Ring is a professor of psychology at UConn,(University of
Connecticut) in Storrs Connecticut...and Author of the book...
"The Omega Project"
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THURSDAY, OCTOBER 29, 1992
NEW HAVEN REGISTER
HEALTH AND SCIENCE
"Unusual Encounters: Imagine opening a window in the brain to another
reality"
By Abram Katz
Register Science Editor
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STORRS - Some people might give you incredulous arched eyebrows if you
recounted how an alien craft beamed you aboard to undergo a mysterious
physical exam by extraterrestrials creatures.
But Kenneth Ring wouldn't.
Ring, professor of psychology at the University of Connecticut, has
probably listened to mores tales of flying saucer abduction than anyone
from this world. He takes them seriously, but not literally.
Ring, the first researcher to systematically study the vivid visions and
feelings of near-death experiences, became interested in descriptions of
encounters with Unidentifed Flying Objects after reading a book about
them in 1987.
Ring's latest studies are contained in "The Omega Project: Near-Death
Experiences, UFO Encounters and the Mind at Large," a 320 page book
recently published by William Morrow and Co.
Ring found that both groups -- people who have had a near-death
experience and visits from aliens -- seem to have similar psychological
profiles. People who've seen the pure white light of the afterlife or
the large unblinking eyes of aliens are likely to report a history of
child abuse, trauma and stress.
Both phenomena may be rooted in an unusually acute psychological
sensitivity that not everyone shares, Ring says. Childhood abuse may
arouse or trigger this sensitivity.
But Ring emphasizes that this is not necessarily a matter of brain
chemistry or nuerology.
Flying saucers weren't observed until the first atom bomb was dropped,
and some UFO encounters may be the result of anxiety about nuclear
weapons and planetary destruction. Similarly, some who have near-death
experiences may be responding to an increasingly impersonal and
materialistic culture.
However, Ring favors a much more esoteric explanation -- one that many
other psychologists won't touch with a 10-foot phaser:
These people seem to be able to perceive another dimension
closed to the rest of us, a power that could mark a new stage in
the evolution of the mind, Ring says in an incongruously
matter-of-fact manner.
Ring is less interested in the blurry metaphysics of this strange world
of imagination that in the measureable physical and psychological
changes that emerge after a near-death experience or a UFO encounter.
"Is there any type of person who is especially susceptible to unusual
encounters like near-death experiences or UFO encounters? What are the
after effects?" Ring asked.
Ring stressed that he has no reason to believe that the planet is being
visited by beings from other worlds. "I'm not convinced by any evidence
that there are literal spacecraft coming to Earth to do nefarious things
to humans," Ring said in his sparse office.
A more likely hypothesis is that the affected groups have brain
anomalies, perhaps in the temporal lobe or limbic system, that permit
them to have near-death experiences or UFO encounters he said.
Something real has happened to these people. It needs to be looked at.
We have a mystery on our hands. Regardless of whether these experiences
are blissful or bestial they transform people," Ring said.
Most scientists are convinced that the experiences seem real but are no
more than a new kind of nuerological condition, or a sort of seizure.
It's difficult to assess the stories of tall thin aliens and elevation
on light beams without knowing about the rest of the narrator's life,
said Dr. Selby C. Jacobs, professor of psychiatry at the Yale School of
Medicine.
"I still don't know what to make of it," Jacob said of a UFO encounter
described by a heavy machine operator with a grade school education.
"It's not the type of thought content typical of delusional disorders.
It's coherent, detailed, highly developed and too graphic," Jacobs said.
"I don't think there was a spaceship," Jacobs added. The man may have
experienced an altered state of consciousness, or brought up a childhood
trauma in disguise, he said.
"Something funny happened in his brain. I'm not sure it's pathological.
I'm willing to accept it as within the realm of human experience,"
Jacobs said.
Jerome L. Singer, professor of psychology at Yale, said near-death
experiences and UFO abductions are legitimate to study as artifacts of
the imagination. Victims of childhood trauma sometimes develop extreme
bizarre fanatasies as adults, Singer said.
Ultimately, both phenomena may represent a strong fear of death through
escape or the existence of an afterlife, Singer said.
Or perhaps, Ring said, the people who have these visions have somehow
opened a window onto another reality -- the "imaginal realm" -- a kind
of twilight zone altered state between thinking and dreaming.
"Suppose we were aware only of sunlight. Some people might say 'There's
another world where sunlight is absent, with a black sky and stars and
planets.' If we only lived in a solar consciousness we wouldn't know
that exists," Ring said.
More to the point, people who say they've had near-death experiences or
UFO abductions "see" objects that they couldn't have seen, Ring said. In
one case a woman who was dead momentarily on an operating table floated
above the roof of the hospital and saw a single gym shoe that later was
found.
Others who have approached death have seen relatives they never knew or
did not know about, Ring said.
"We don't have neurological theory to explain this," Ring said. Nor is
there a way to explain why many of these people are left more sensitive
to light, sound and other stimuli; with different blood pressure and
temperature; different sleep patterns and a greater sense of social
concern and spirituality.
>>> Continued to next message
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: It's All In Your Head 2/
Date: 7 Nov 92 05:42:04 GMT
* Forwarded from "Fidonet UFO Conference"
* Originally by Ralph Toscano
* Originally to All
* Originally dated 30 Oct 1992, 10:53
>>> Continued from previous message
The human body or brain may contain as yet unknown sensory organs of a
type unimagined, or may be somehow sensitive to extremely low energy
fields, Ring said.
Another complication is that while near-death and UFO captures seem
similar, they have very different effects on the people who experience
them.
Brushes with death typically bring a feeling of security and leave
people exhilarated and peaceful, while supposed interactions with aliens
cause the opposite reaction. Panic gives way to a sense of violation,
and concludes with hatred, anger and confusion, Ring found.
Also, near-death experiences usually happen only once to a person in
adulthood, while UFO episodes are frequently recurrent, often starting
in early childhood.
"We need to do research to reconcile these facts. We need to go beyond
the territory in which most scientists feel comfortable," Ring said.
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From: Gary.Long@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Gary Long)
Subject: Interesting Account Con't
Date: 8 Nov 92 07:38:22 GMT
(267) Thu 5 Nov 92 21:28
By: Tim Rue
To: All
Re: recall - Yes or No?
St:
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@MSGID: 1:133/208.0 2af9d830
Being someone whom knows he has had encounters and satisfactory reason to
believe he has also been abducted, I have a question.
What positive productive value might I receive by taking steps to recall
details of such events?
Please, only reply with quality responces. I don't want or need skeptics,
deception, or suggestions. What I want is feedback based on actual case
studies of the improvements others have gained by recalling such
experences.
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X EZ 1.30 X Society - the force which determines the norm
wb
David,
If you have any interest in responding to this individual, I'd be happy to
cross post your input. Thanks for your meaningful endeavors!
--Gary
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From: Scott.Colborn@p0.f31.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Scott Colborn)
Subject: Artesia, New Mexico
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:46:47 GMT
My name is Scott Colborn, Director of the Fortean Research Center in Lincoln,
NE. I
I'm working on what appears to be an abduction case involving a Lincoln, NE,
woman. She believes that she has been taken to an underground facility called
Artesia. This underground facility is staffed by human military personal and
"alien" beings. An alien being that was a major player in her on-going contacts
was for a time being held at this facility. Whether this "being" was being held
to gauge her response and evaluate a bonding, or whether this "being" actually
was violating prodedures with regards to emotional ties to this woman is
conjecture. She has undergone hypnosis and through this process she has rememb-
ered that she was taken to this facility to interact with hybrid children.
The woman described the terrain as slightly rolling, the temperature as being
hot, with a water source nearby and some trees along or near the water source.
I've done some preliminary research and concluded that the best "fit" to the
physical description given by the Lincoln woman is the area surrounding
Artesia, New Mexico. (She was told by one of the "beings" that the name of the
facility was "Artesia.")
The town of Artesia, New Mexico and the general area surrounding the town seem
to fit her description. I travelled through the area in July, `92, and the
Pecos River is to the east of the town.
I would like to ask for assistance in several areas. First, are any of you
familiar with an "Artesia" in your area? It could be a name for an area, but I
think it probably describes a city or town. Secondly, has anyone come across
reports of abductions where an individual was taken to an area that might fit
the "Artesia" description? Thirdly, how about reports involving what appear
to be humans in fatigues interacting with "aliens" in a facility in which
hybrid children are kept?
I realize that the above information is sparse, sketchy and bare-bones. In
researching this information I've had several interesting "responses" in the
form of an unsigned letter warning me to cease and desist from my efforts to
find out more about "Artesia." Additionally, during a radio program I host in
Lincoln, NE, as a guest (William Hamilton) and I had just begun to talk about
" the alien presence on Earth and rumored underground bases," the radio station
went off the air. To make a long story longer, suffice to say that the engineer
couldn't account for the off-air occurance in terms of equipment failure. He
believed that something had to have interrupted the power supply to the
transmitter to trigger a protection circut to take it off-line.
So, from the information from the Lincoln abductee, and the coincidental letter
and off-air event, I've been interested in this case for several years.
Lastly, apparently the first underground school in the country was built in
Artesia, New Mexico, at the height of the cold war. It admittedly is extreme
conjecture on my part, but wouldn't it be interesting if the underground school
was also built so that children could be observed, monitored and studied by an
alien presence? Maybe....maybe not, but the Artesia-Lincoln connection is an
interesting case.
Thanks for any information you may send my way. Again, the case is much more
complex than what I've alluded to here. But perhaps this bit of information
might be enough to cause you to contact me with any relavant information. I
appreciate your interest and input, and ask your forgiveness at the lack of
details here. More will be forthcoming-most probably in an issue of the Journal
of the Fortean Research Center.
I can be reached at 402-421-1701 during the day. Because of budget constraints,
I may not be able to return a tremendous amount of phone calls. Perhaps you can
contact me here through the board.
Again, thanks!
Scott H. Colborn
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From: John.Powell@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell)
Subject: Linda case
Date: 7 Nov 92 11:12:06 GMT
-=> Quoting David Jacobs to All <=-
DJ> Hold on. Steady. The attacks are beginning to be
DJ> mounted in the Linda case. [...]
David, I'm planning to attend the MUFON meeting (Winterthur Museum,
Copeland Lecture Hall, DE, 11/21) where you'll be speaking. Would it be
possible for us to discuss at that time (afterwards?) some of the items
that I mentioned in that massive 3-parter I sent you a few months ago?
I would also like to discuss with you several ideas, as well as your own
ideas, regarding electronic monitoring and documentation of an abduction
event.
DJ> Budd Hopkins is one of the
DJ> most respected researchers in the history of UFO
DJ> investigations. He deserves to have the benefit of the
DJ> doubt in all attacks until he publishes the complete
DJ> history of the Linda case.
He has certainly earned 'innocent until proven guilty', if not much more
than that otherwise obvious pronouncement.
Thanks, take care.
John.
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<Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence>
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Spheres and OOBE
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:16:02 GMT
David,
I am curious to find out how many cases you or Hopkins have worked on that involve a sphere or an OOBE event.
Mike
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