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Abduction Digest Number 80
Abduction Digest, Number 80
Sunday, December 6th 1992
(C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved.
Today's Topics:
Smoke detectors
Close Encounter group
Stats
Delaware talk
Linda case
Abduction Help
Stats
Close Encounter group
Close Encounter group 1/2
Close Encounter group 2/2
RI Help
9:1012/0
Linda Case
Re: Stats
Linda Case
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From: William.Phillips@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (William Phillips)
Subject: Smoke detectors
Date: 26 Nov 92 10:50:00 GMT
Dr. Jacobs,
sa saw on Prodigy today in one of the religion BBS areas, some person
who seemed to think dreams he was having were possibly related to
abductions. The unusual thing is, this person claims everytime he has
such a dream, he awakens to the smoke alarm going off. Type of alarm
was not specified, though the descriptions of the dream seemed not
unrelated to the phenomena as reported by Hopkins, you and others. I
read SECRET LIFE in detail, especially alternative explanations and the
how-to-prevent abductions section. Of course, your conclusion from the
evidence was that abductions are not preventable. But--anecdotal as
the mention on Prodigy was--could there be some kind of linkage?
Putting 2 and 2 together to get 15, could the dreamer be in some kind
of fugue state and influenced by popular UFO reportage AND by some
toxic substance in the air, sensed by the smoke sniffer? Or could
there be some alien atmospheric disturbance (in the blue light, etc.)
which could set off the alarm? Not many facts here, but...
Enjoy your work, especially the rigor. Thanks.
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From: Michael.S..Carter@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael S. Carter)
Subject: Close Encounter group
Date: 29 Nov 92 00:03:00 GMT
Bob,
My name is Michael S. Carter, Investigator for MOFON Oklahoma and
editor of the OK MUFONews. I have an abductee visiting from Rhode
Island who was involved in a multiple witness abduction as a child
in 1965. Others of the group have undergone regress and therapy for
the abduction but this one person has not and is having a terrible
time handling the stresses of possible ongoing scenarios. Do you
know of anyone in this area that is doing regression/therapy work
with whom I could put her in contact? They must be caring,
compassionate and knowlegeable of the abduction phenomenon. My
visitor lives alone and has no transportation. Perhaps someone might
be interested enough to meet her close or travel a short distance to
their home. I/d appreciate any assistance you could provide. As an
abductee myself, I well know how it feels to be utterly alone with
no one to express yourself to. Thanks much.
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From: Michael.Carter@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Carter)
Subject: Stats
Date: 29 Nov 92 21:50:00 GMT
Hi Jeff.
In response to whether there is a statistical database of abduction
stories, I can tell you that Budd Hopkins adn David M. Jacobs are
putting together a compendium of as many abduction case reports and
their specifics as they can get their hands on. They have made an
open request of MUFON to supply them with whatever they can. You're
right, this should go a long way in consolidating into one source
accounts which can then be studied in relation to all other reports
on file. As an abductee myself, I'm anxious for this work to be
completed.
About abductee stories. There many cases where abductees DO have
at least partial conscious recall--some more than others. I for one
did have at least partial recall. However, hypnotic regression
uncovered much more than the remembered parts. I believe this to be
the norm in most cases. Talk to you soon. Michael S. Carter OK MUFON I
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From: Michael.S..Carter@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael S. Carter)
Subject: Delaware talk
Date: 29 Nov 92 21:58:01 GMT
Mr. Jacobs,
I am an investigator for Oklahoma MUFON and the editor of the OK
MUFON NEws. I have a person visiting from Rhode Island who was part
of a multiple witness abduction back in 1965. Others of the group
have had their cases investigated and have undergone therapy and
regression about the event. The Rhode Islander has found no one in
her area that she can turn to, however. She has contacted the MUFON
SSD in the area but is not comfortable with him. SHe seems to be
having quite a bad time of coping with the possibility of ongoing
abductions since that time. Although she has not made a conscious
decision as to the cause of the several events in question, she is
seeking help in dealing with them--A lot of anxiety of being alone
and trouble sleeping. Can you direct me to a competent mental health
professional who would be interested in taking on such a case. They
should be located in or near Providence Rhode Island. I and (Cheryl)
would be eternally grateful. As an abductee myself, I am quite aware
of the isolation and frustration of not having someone to speak
with. Thanks much.
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Linda case
Date: 30 Nov 92 00:47:00 GMT
DJ> Don, Linda's case, in my estimation, is rock solid.
DJ> This is a multileveled case involving a series of
DJ> witnesses to the complex events within it. Budd Hopkins
DJ> will have a piece come out in the next MUFON UFO Journal
DJ> about one of the witnesses which, I think, will help to
DJ> alleviate some of the anxiety about this case.
Thanks for the response David..sorry about the delay in answering.
I have serious questions as to Hopkin's data on the case and whether
or not it can be independently verified. Has he shown you anything
that would "hold up in court" ?
A recent buzz is that "Dan" (one of the security officers) is no where
to be found. If this case is so rock solid as we've been led to believe
then WHY does it take some one like a George Hansen to get people asking
hard questions? I noted that Jerome Clark answered _none_ of Hansen's
questions but was content instead to attack Hansen personally. That's
not the mark of a serious professional (IMHO) and I must question
aspects of this case that just don't seem to add up and I'm forced
to continue asking, "Where's the beef" ?
Don
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From: Michael.Carter@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Carter)
Subject: Abduction Help
Date: 2 Dec 92 02:31:00 GMT
Dr. JAcobs,
I am a MUFON Investigator for the state of OK and I am searching desperately
to find a qualified mental health professional in the Rhode Island Area for a
young woman who was involved in a multiple witness abduction scenario in 1965.
Since then several others in the group have sought help and have had this
case documented. At least some of them have had ongoing event. This particular
person (Cheryl) can find no one in her part of the country in which to confide
in and receive therapy. She is having much trouble sleeping and having
anxieties about being alone. She most probably has had ongoing abduction
events. Can you help in referring Cheryl and I to a properly qualified
researcher who is willing to take on a case such as this? We'd appreciate any
advice or contact that you could give
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From: Scott.Colborn@p0.f31.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Scott Colborn)
Subject: Stats
Date: 2 Dec 92 03:47:53 GMT
Hello Jeff. In response to your questions regarding the abduction mystery,
you may wish to read the Journal of the Fortean Research Center (The Fortean
Research Center, P.O. Box 94627, Lincoln, NE, 68509, $3.50 each plus $1.25
postage), specifically Volume 5, Numbers 1 & 2. In these Journals are a
number of articles written by myself and others on the specifics and
generalities of abduction and close encounter reports. In these articles
written by myself, I argue that it's not just one item, instance, or "strange
occurance" that labels something as an "abduction." Rather, one must make an
evaluation based on a number of factors. As we begin to recognize specific
factors that seem to occur in a number of abduction and contact reports, we
can begin to establish criteria for what is and what is not an abduction or
contact. At the same time, we must strive to remain "open" to data that
doesn't seem to fit individual researchers' points-of-view or reject a report
because it hasn't occured in other reports. Only by looking at each specific
case, and the information within each report, can we begin to understand what
the abduction experience really is. And just as importantly, researchers must
also look at how the person making the report has been impacted, changed, or
affected by the experience(s).
In closing, you may wish to read Dr. Jacob's book among others as a good source
of information on the abduction and contact issue.
Best wishes, Scott Colborn, Director, The Fortean Research Center.
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From: Scott.Colborn@p0.f31.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Scott Colborn)
Subject: Close Encounter group
Date: 2 Dec 92 03:56:23 GMT
Hello Michael. Just read your message to my friend and colleague Bob Dunn
regarding your interest in a therapist for a friend desiring regression work.
As I'm not sure of what "locale" you are interested in, I'll just say that we
have an excellent pschologist in the Lincoln, NE, area who is interested in
close encounters. Additionally, we have a psychiatrist who can provide
medical assistance. Should you be interested in them, please contact me care
of the board, or call 402-421-1701, 1-7 pm, Monday-Friday. If it's the
Oklahoma area you are looking in (for a therapist), I'm sure that Jean Waller
can help you "down there."
Best wishes, Scott Colborn, Director, The Fortean Research Center.
P.S...saw part of the OU/NE football game...looked a lot closer than the final
score. OU will be back next year, I'm sure.
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From: Bob.Dunn@p0.f31.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bob Dunn)
Subject: Close Encounter group 1/2
Date: 2 Dec 92 07:10:00 GMT
MSC>. Do you know of anyone in this area that is doing regression/therapy work
MSC>with whom I could put her in contact? They must be caring, compassionate
Hi Michael, I found this list of therapists currently working with
abductees on another network. I hope it will be of some help for you.
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The following list was taken (without permission but strictly in the
non-commercial interest of promoting expedited theraputic intervention)
from the book titled Encounters: A Psychologist Reveals Evidence of
Contact With Extraterrestrials, Edith Fiore, Ph.D., (c) 1989 Edith
Fiore, Ph.D. - Published by Doubleday - a Division of Bantam Doubleday
Dell Publishing Group, Inc., 666 Fifth Avenue, New York, NY 10103.
ISBN: 0-385-26236-1
Hypnotherapists Working With Abductees/Contactees (pg. 339 - Appendix)
Aphrodite Clamar, Ph.D.
30 E. 60th St.,
Suite 1107
New York, NY 10022
(212) 988-8042
Beverly J. Carter
4491 South Yates
Denver, CO 80236
(303) 794-7626
Ann Druffel
257 Sycamore Glen
Pasadena, CA 91105
(213) 256-8655
Stephen Field, Pd.D.
800 Oak Grove,
Suite 207
Menlo Park, CA 94025
(415) 325-4678
Edith Fiore, Ph.D.
20688 Fourth St.,
Saratoga, CA 95070
(408) 867-1100
Josie Hadley
2443 Ash St.,
Suite D
Pala Alto, CA 94306
(415) 321-6419
Richard Haines, Ph.D.
PO Box 880
Los Altos, CA 94023-0880
Tisha Hallet
450 San Antonio Rd.,
Suite 27
Palo Alto, CA 94036
(415) 857-0638
James Harder, Ph.D.
2800 Hilgard St.
Berkeley, CA 94709
(415) 848-6043
Barbara Levy, Ph.D.
317 Eureka St.
San Francisco, CA 94114
(415) 826-2250
(415) 751-3971
Linda Marie Martin
152 Olive Springs Rd.
Soquel, CA 95073
(408) 479-3493
Jeffrey Mishlove, Ph.D.
48 St. Francis La.
San Rafael, CA 94901
(415) 456-2532
Raymond Moody, M.D.
205 Tanner St.
Carrolton, GA 30117
(404) 834-6393
Sharon Moss, Ph.D.
2947 Eastmoreland
Oregon, OH 43616
(419) 691-4926
Jean Mundy, Ph.D
33 Windward
East Hampton, NY 11937
(516) 267-8896
and
105 West 13th St.
New York, NY 10011
(212) 741-1278
June Parnell, Ph.D.
2219 Rainbow Ave.,
Laramie, WY 82070
(307) 742-3394
Alice Rose, Ph.D.
4651 Roswell Rd.,
Suite I-8013
Atlanta, GA 30342
(404) 255-7051
Patricia Shaw, Ph.D.
225 S. Meramec Ave.,
Suite 506
St. Louis, MO 63105
(314) 863-3588
Richard Sigismund
1557 9th St.,
Boulder, CO 80302
(303) 447-9170
June Steiner
987 University Ave.,
Suite 6
Los Gatos, CA 95030
(408) 395-9209
Jo Stone, MFCC
PO Box 2828
Los Angeles, CA 90078
Sue Street, Ph.D.
University of South Florida
St. Petersburg Campus
140 7th. Ave. South
St. Petersburg, FL 33701
(813) 893-9129
Keith Thompson
PO Box 5055
Mill Valley, CA 94942
(415) 388-9008
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From: Bob.Dunn@p0.f31.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bob Dunn)
Subject: Close Encounter group 2/2
Date: 2 Dec 92 07:10:00 GMT
>>> Continued from previous message
Mary Ellen Trahan, Ph.D.
205 Tanner St.
Carrolloton, GA 30117
(404) 834-6393
Norma Triggs
10 Willow Creek
Richardson, TX 75080
Thomas J. Zinser, Ed.D.
2041 Raybrook SE
Grand Rapids, MI 49506
(616) 957-3168
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From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: RI Help
Date: 3 Dec 92 08:10:46 GMT
I'm sorry to say that I do not know of anyone in the Providence area. The
best I can do right now is to refer her to John Mack at Harvard Medical School,
or Susan Fox in Boston. The problem is that we simply do not have enough people
around the country who are able to do this type of work. Budd Hopkins and I are
trying to alleviate the situation by holding workshops for mental health
professionals to educate them about the properties of the abduction phenomenon,
hypnosis of abductees, and even therapeutic techniques for abductees. So far we
have conducted two workshops, one in New York, and one in Los Angeles. Our next
will either be in Atlanta or Texas. It's going to take a while but we hope to
have at least one qualified individual in each major city. I understand the
pressure that she must be under and I sympathize with her problem. I run across
these situations on a daily basis. I feel frustrated and powerless. Perhaps
there is some way that she can get to Mack or Fox. If I do find anyone I will
alert you immediately. In the meantime, hold on.
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From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: 9:1012/0
Date: 3 Dec 92 08:12:32 GMT
Mike, I'll be glad to help out in any way I can.
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From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: Linda Case
Date: 3 Dec 92 08:31:22 GMT
The best that I can say is that when Budd completes his ongoing investigation
of this complex and extraordinarily important case you will all be able to
judge for yourselves whether Hansen has asked hard questions. Hold tight. Give
Budd the benefit of the doubt. Hansen knows very little about this case.
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From: Jeff.Brewi@p0.f812.n202.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jeff Brewi)
Subject: Re: Stats
Date: 3 Dec 92 14:50:56 GMT
MC> at least partial conscious recall--some more than others. I for one
MC> did have at least partial recall. However, hypnotic regression
MC> uncovered much more than the remembered parts. I believe this to be
MC> the norm in most cases. Talk to you soon. Michael S. Carter OK MUFON I
On the parts that you could consciously recall, were those parts in
great detail, or were they vague, sort of dreamlike, and if the
conscious recall was vague, did the hypnotic regression bring those
parts out with greater detail?
Thanks for your response including that you've been abducted and had
partial recall, trying to figure out if people who have some recall,
but it is vague, if it is valid.
Jeff
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From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Linda Case
Date: 5 Dec 92 08:33:00 GMT
In response to Don Allen's inquiry about the Linda Napolitano
case, Dr. Jacobs replied as follows:
+ The best that I can say is that when Budd completes his
+ ongoing investigation of this complex and extraordinarily
+ important case you will all be able to judge for
+ yourselves whether Hansen has asked hard questions. Hold
+ tight. Give Budd the benefit of the doubt. Hansen knows
+ very little about this case.
Prof. Jacobs:
Hansen's "hard questions" (read that: Hard *ON*) aside,
some good questions have been raised about this case. I'm just
wondering whether "Hold tight" means: "Spend $20 on the book
before you make up your mind", (as in the Ed Walters case). Can
we expect an article by Budd in some "free" venue (such as the
_IUR_ or _MUFON UFO Journal_) or does "open mindedness" require a
book purchase (again)?
-- John
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