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Abduction Digest Number 64
Abduction Digest, Number 64
Tuesday, June 2nd 1992
(C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved.
Today's Topics:
Abduction Theory?
Abduction
Back again
Malpractice
Mind control
Missing abductees
Re: Intruders
Abduction Theory?
Re: Back again
PHYSICALITY
PHYSICALITY 2
PHYSICALITY 3
PHYSICALITY 4
PHYSICALITY 5
Australian Abduction Research
Abduction Theory?
Re: Abduction Theory?
Mind control
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From: Marc.Michalik@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Marc Michalik)
Subject: Abduction Theory?
Date: 27 May 92 19:47:00 GMT
That is possible. However, I have alsways believed that the aliens
we see are "scientists". I think they found us here thousands of
years ago and were interested because we are obviously a close
relation to them. Just as if we were to find a planet of simians.
I think it possible that they interbreeded with the neanderthal man
that they found here and that they are the missing link. Or, they
may be highly advanced humans who just as far above us on the
evolutionary scal as we are above apes. Then again, there are
countless more plausable explanations.
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From: Bill.Skiles@p7.f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Skiles)
Subject: Abduction
Date: 24 May 92 08:03:00 GMT
> I am working with a young female abductee who is
> scared to death to go to sleep at night. Has anyone
> come accross a method of stopping an abduction? Or
> does anyone have a suggestion on what I should tell
> her to calm her down. She is at that age (23) when the
> abductions are coming fairly frequently. Advise is
> welcome. Thanks Ray
Ray, whatever you do don't forget about her and just leave her out there in
left field. Don't get too busy. I tried to get some assistance awhile back and
I'm still waiting. Keep in touch with her, let her talk it out as much as she
needs to. Also, I found that having a light on and other people around helps.
Yes, I know, it doesn't stop them but at least it makes it possible to fall
asleep. If you find a way to stop them, PLEASE let me know. Bill
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From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: Back again
Date: 27 May 92 06:58:24 GMT
I'd like to say hello to everyone after another long departure. I am
hoping that the incredible media whirl might now be lessening and I can go
back to my abduction work. I'll try to answer a few of the inquiries that I
have received but once again I am not sure that I can get to them all.
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From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: Malpractice
Date: 27 May 92 07:06:36 GMT
The most important thing that guards against malpractice is the fact that
I do not charge for any of my services. When money changes hands, expectations
rise and the pressure is on. Without a fee, my life may be a bit more
impoverished, but it is also more relaxed about what I can and cannot
accomplish. Also, I have all the people who come to me sign a release
allowing me to use any information that they might impart to me as long as I
do no disclose their identity. The release also absolves me of any
responsibility in the event that they become psychologically disturbed.
Working with a therapist also helps. If the abductee is having great
difficulties coming to terms with the phenomenon, I supply them with the name
of an excellent psychologist who works with abductees. So far I have not had
any problem with malpractice and so forth, but one has to remember that the
abductee population can be somewhat more volatile than the average population
and one must be prepared for anything.
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From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: Mind control
Date: 27 May 92 07:15:41 GMT
Bill, I still have to send you my questionnaire. Hang in there, I'll do
it. Your comments about alcohol and resisting mind control are something that
we have thought about but we really don't know if that is a sure-fire method
of resistance. I feel certain that others who have been drunk have been
abducted and the routine procedures are performed upon them without
difficulties. I am not really sure if any medication or drugs would interfere
with the abduction scenario but it is definitely something that must be looked
into. The problem is even if we find that drugs of some sort will prevent
abductions, then what? Should the abductee walk around all day being drugged
just in case an abduction should occur? This is a difficult area to think
about, but we must start thinking along these lines to see what can and
cannot work.
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From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: Missing abductees
Date: 27 May 92 07:20:10 GMT
John, to follow up on the discussion about abductees being missing during
an abduction event. To the best of my knowledge we do not have a single case
anywhere, anytime, of an abductee being physically in a normal place while an
abduction event is ongoing. Keith Basterfield has said that he has two cases
of this happening, but my discussion with him about this and my research into
one of his cases suggests that he is in error on both accounts. Therefore I
can say with a certain degree of confidence that the percentage of abductees
who are missing is 100%.
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From: Linda.Bird@f95.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Intruders
Date: 29 May 92 05:40:19 GMT
Hi Keith,
In reply to your question:
*** Quoting Keith Basterfield to Linda Bird ***
KB> Hi Linda, thanks for posting that piece on the TV movie
KB> "Intruders."
KB> I wonder what impact this is going to have? We will wait and see.
KB>
KB> --- FD 1.99c
KB> * Origin: UFO Research Australia, Research Officer,
There hasn't been much comment or discussion on the BBS's on the movie
"Intruders." I personally have mixed feelings about it. I thought the
Aliens themselves looked slimy and rubbery. The final scene with the alien
telling the mother that "Now you will believe" or something like that was a
bit contrived and the alien was too compassionate. Anyone reading the
literature on abductions will not find compassionate aliens (for 99% of the
cases).
I did tape the whole 4 hour program (and zapped commercials!) I should
probably view it again ....
It was a good intro for those just finding out about this subject. My
pharmacist said it "scared the hell" out of him; then he turned around and
begged to borrow all the tapes I have made or bought! Go figure! :-)
Best always,
Linda
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From: Pony.Godic@f6.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Pony Godic)
Subject: Abduction Theory?
Date: 31 May 92 01:28:00 GMT
> My theory: I believe THEY are using this earth and us humans as
> a resource center for THEIR own needs. THEY have no wish to
> contact us directly and publicly for reasons that I'll say just
> now are obvious. I can talk later on those if there is
> interest. THEY may have certain biological problems (as per
> Hopkins' researches) that THEY need us for without disturbing
> our culture with knowledge of THEIR presence.
Hullo Richard,
Thanks for your reply. Please feel free to elaborate
on what you said. Firstly, what sort of resource centre do you
believe us to be and what do you believe the aliens' needs are?
Secondly, please fill me in with regards to why the aliens do not wish
to contact us directly and/or publicly, I'm afraid what is obvious to
you isn't obvious to me. Granted they may have biological needs and
be using us in this regard, but given the current state of our medical
technology - i.e. IVF, genetic engineering re attempts to eliminate inherited
diseases etc. I tend to feel that aliens who are so advanced that they
can cross however many light years they cross to get here would be
advanced enough not to need us as a genetic resource be it for breeding
with a view to revitalising themselves physically or otherwise.
Personally, I tend to feel that they are interested in us in much
broader terms, but then I've never experienced abduction so this is an
observers viewpoint. Anyway, nice talking to you.
Cheers, Pony.
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Back again
Date: 31 May 92 06:15:00 GMT
HI David,
Some of here in Arizona are wondering if you are planning to attend
the July MUFON conf. in Albuquerque. We'd sure like to meet you.
Kind regards,
Linda Bird
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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: PHYSICALITY
Date: 1 Jun 92 00:24:00 GMT
David, in preparation for the forthcoming conference I have been
carefully reviewing my Australian abduction case notes, as well as my
extensive literature base on the subject.
On the question of whether there have been any known instances where
an abductee was observed to be physically present whilst an abduction
was reportedly occurring, I believe there are actually at least 3 to
be considered.
1. The first is reported in the English Flying Saucer Review Special
Issue Number 3 of Sept 1969 pp36-37 in an article by H S W Chibbett
titled: "UFOs and Parapsychology." It originally was published in
"The Australian Saucer Record" Vol 1 No 4 in 1955.
In 1955, in Adelaide, South Australia, a 10 year old girl, under
hypnosis for therapy for a slight nervous disorder, spontaneously
reported that she was now in a "flying saucer." She went on to give a
detailed description of a trip to another planet. "She described the
landing, the people, and a kind of city-all as though it were
actually happening, and she were merely describing what she saw." To
her, the event was "real." This case meets all four of the criteria
of the CUFOS Abduction Study definition of an abduction.
Next message.
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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: PHYSICALITY 2
Date: 31 May 92 23:59:00 GMT
Part 2:-
2.
The second case is that of Maureen Puddy. Now that I have had time to
go back over my detailed notes and tape recordings, from 1972, it too
meets all four criteria of the CUFOS definition. A full account of
this case has been submitted for publication. The abduction account
needs to be set in the context of multiple events which occurred to
Maureen. A potted summary follows:-
3/7/72 9.15 p.m. driving alone Puddy sights large UFO at close range.
Stops to watch it, then reports it to Police and Air Force.
25/7/72
9.15 p.m. driving alone when UFO appears. Car stops by itself. Sound
drains from air. Message passed to her. Object leaves. She again
reports it to Police and RAAF. Independent witnesses see unusual
lights in the area. 22/2/73 daytime. Feels eerie prescence at home.
Contacts 2 UFO researchers- arranges to meet them at scene of UFO
encounters of 1972. On way to scene entity appears in car-she nearly
crashes car. At scene 2 UFO researchers join her. She suddenly sees
entity outside, they see nothing. Entity beckons Maureen to join him.
She refuses, then "faints." While in faint, in presence of 2
researchers, she describes being in a round room somewhere. Lit, but
no sign of source of illumination. Entity appears and communicates
with her. She panics as there is no doors or windows in "room." Comes
to in car, crying, saying she cannot remember anything of what had
just transpired during "faint." In this instance, before the subject
of abductions was known to any wide degree in Australia, a witness of
impeccable character, totally perplexed by the episodes, was
apaprently subjected to an escalating sequence of events terminating
in what is by definition, an abduction. This abduction event was
absolutely "real" to Puddy.
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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: PHYSICALITY 3
Date: 1 Jun 92 00:12:00 GMT
Part 3:-
3. The third case is that of Gaynor Sunderland, June 1979, as
described by Jenny Randles and Paul Whetnall in their study of the
case, a book called "Alien Contact" London. Coronet. 1983. Again, the
abduction related below is set in a complex series of events,
including daylight CE3 observations and other episodes,involving
several members of the Sunderland family. A brief summary is that
Gaynor went to bed at 8.30 p.m. She was still awake at 10.15 p.m.
when her mother looked in. After her mother left she felt dizzy. A
long, dark tunnel appeared along which she was swept. The tunnel
vanished and she was now in strange surroundings, with 2 aliens
present. Communication between the aliens and Gaynor ensued. She was
later instantly transported to another location-an alien city. She
was shown around and they told her: "We are from another time or
dimension. In the future many of us will come and try to live in
peace with you on earth." She was transported, via tunnel back to
bed, where she went to sleep about 11.45 p.m. and did not wake till
the next morning. However, and most importantly to note, Gaynor's
mother went into Gaynor's bedroom at 11.20 p.m., during the
abduction. Gaynor was asleep, on her back, rigid, lying perfectly flat, like a
corpse, breathing very deeply and slowly. Gaynor's mother returned at
12.30 a.m. and she went to check Gaynor. Gaynor was still fast
asleep, but now in her usual sleeping style, not rigid etc as before.
Gaynor's abduction would meet all four of the CUFOS criteria for an
abduction.
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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: PHYSICALITY 4
Date: 1 Jun 92 00:20:00 GMT
Part 4:-
In my Australian abduction first hand investigations, and my
extensive reading and correspondence with abductees here and
overseas, there are 3 categories of events: (1) single witness, (2)
multiple witness, (3) abductions with independent witnesses. By far
and away the majority of global abductions are of category 1 and 2,
with very few in 3. Most of the time, abductees, cannot show by
independent witnesses, that they were physically absent from their
normal locality. I therefore think it very unwise for us to be making
statements to the effect that "...abductees are NEVER physically in
place..." or "Researchers have not collected a SINGLE case..." (my
emphasis). Someone only has to demonstarte the existence of ONE case
to negate the statement, and our credibility falls. Best to say that
"some" cases are known where independent witnesses can state that the
individual was not where they were supposed to be during the reported
abduction. Even then, simply because a person isn't where they were
supposed to be doesn't prove they were abducted, merely missing. A
hoaxer, for example,would clearly ensure they were physically absent
from their normal place.
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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: PHYSICALITY 5
Date: 1 Jun 92 00:31:00 GMT
Thank you for the opportunity of exchanging views with you on Paranet.
I look forward to meeting you in person next month, which should give
us all plenty of time for comparing data on this challenging enigma.
Regards, Keith.
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From: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: Australian Abduction Research
Date: 1 Jun 92 00:40:00 GMT
I would like to make a few comments relating to David Jacobs' remarks
about Keith Basterfield and his research into Australian Abductions.
1. FPP - "non starter" (mentioned at least two times on Paranet/Abduct)
2. I quote from a recent Paranet message in ABDUCT echo:
>From David Jacobs to John Powell:
" John, to follow up on the discussion about
abductees being missing during and abduction event. To the best of
my knowledge we do not have a single case anywhere, anytime, of an
abductee being physically in a normal place while an abduction event
is ongoing. Keith Basterfield has said he has two cases of this happening,
but my discussion with him about this and my research into one of these
cases suggests he is in error on both accounts.
Therefore I can say with a certain degree of confidence that the
percentage of abductees who are missing is 100%."
WRONG ON BOTH ACCOUNTS!
But before I go on any further, I would like to say a few things
about Keith Basterfield's research into abductions and UFOs in
general.
Keith and I have been working together for nearly twenty years. I am
no longer involved in full time research because of my other duties
associated with UFORA. We used to investigate reports together and
separately for many years. Keith is very thorough and conscientious researcher. He
always documents and publishes his research findings in various UFORA
case files and documents and overseas journals. Our files and documents are available
freely to any bona fide UFO researcher.
Although Keith is interested in psychological aspects of UFO
research, I have never known him to knock back a good "nuts and bolts
case". In my opinion this is what scientific research is all about.
He is always willing to listen to and learn from other reliable
researchers.
Without going into further details, I would like to get back to the
original issue(s).
1. FFP - "non starter". A few days ago, I posted a message relating
to my research (and Keith's, of course) experience in dealing with
FPP so there is no need to elaborate on this particular subject other
than to say that it applies equally to abductions and "nuts and
bolts" cases. I am afraid I cannot accept a simple "non starter"
statement because it basically means that we are not capable of
researching and this puts us in a category of inexperienced
beginners.
2. ABDUCTEES BEING MISSING DURING AN ABDUCTIONS.
For those of you who don't know, or haven't heard, of Maureen Puddy's
encounter, (here in Australia) this is a brief resume of Maureen's
abduction experience.
Maureen Puddy, (then - in 1972) a 37 old housewife, of Rye in
Victoria, was driving near the railway crossing between Frankston and
Dromana, some 60km south-east of Melbourne, Victoria. At about 9:15
p.m., just after passing over the railway crossing, the roadway was
lit by a blue light. Thinking that the light was coming from a
helicopter, she did not take too much notice, even though later she
recalled hearing no noise at all.
Realising that even though it may have been a helicopter, she
accelerated away trying to get away out of blue light. She then
slowed down, thinking that the pilot was trying to get her attention.
The light stopped with her. Shielding her eyes against the light, she
looked up to see an unusual object. It was shaped like two saucers
stuck together.
Mrs Puddy then drove to the nearby Rosebud police station and
reported the event.
Later on, after a number of other incidents e.g voices calling her etc.,
(please note : I am leaving a lot of material out simply because I want to come
to the most important event) she telephoned the Victorian UFO
Research Society and two members agreed to meet her at the spot where
(previously) her car had stopped all of its own accord. Arriving at
the nominated spot, all 3 people then sat in Maureen's car. Suddenly
she saw the same (who appeared to her before) "man" had appeared just
outside the vehicle. Neither of the other 2 could see anything
unusual present. Suddenly, according to the others present, Maureen
"fainted". She related that she was in a round room somewhere which
was lit, but there was no visible source of illumination. The "man"
just appeared in the room, in which there was also a mushroom shaped
object rising up from the floor. .The "man" told her to describe what
she could see, and this she did, to be heard by the 2 in the car. She
could see no doors or windows in this room and so began to be scared.
She started to cry and then woke up, still in the car, with tears in
her eyes, saying she could not remember anything that had just
occurred. The 2 in the car filled her in on what had just transpired.
According to the 2 people present, Maureen never left the presence of
UFO researchers during the abductions.
Maureen remained adamant that the whole thing was "real".
If you wish a document on Maureen Puddy's experience it is available
from UFORA for the cost of postage and copying. Please contact me on
Paranet.
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Case Number 2.
Equally as importantly is the case of Gaynor Sunderland as documented
in Jenny Randles & Paul Whetnall "Alien Contact", 1983. London.
Coronet Books.
Gaynor went to bed at 8:30 p.m. At 10:15 p.m. her mother looked in
and found her still awake. After her mother left she was dizzy, and
she saw a long, dark tunnel. She went through the tunnel to a place
at the other end. There were 2 aliens there. It was "as real as real"
to her - no dream like qualities. The aliens spoke to to Gaynor in
faultless English. She was then taken to an alien city where
knowledge was given to her. Suddenly the dizzines returned and she
returned via the tunnel. She found herself back in bed awake. The
time was now estimated to be at 11:45 p.m. She went to sleep. Her
mother stated that at 11:20 p.m. she had gone in to see Gaynor and
found her fast asleep, all curled up on the bed.
I rest my case.
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From: Richard.Salts@p0.f28.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Richard Salts)
Subject: Abduction Theory?
Date: 1 Jun 92 03:20:01 GMT
Hello Pony!
Saturday May 30 1992, Pony Godic writes to Richard Salts:
>> My theory: I believe THEY are using this earth and us humans as
>> a resource center for THEIR own needs. THEY have no wish to
>> contact us directly and publicly for reasons that I'll say just
>> now are obvious. I can talk later on those if there is
>> interest. THEY may have certain biological problems (as per
>> Hopkins' researches) that THEY need us for without disturbing
>> our culture with knowledge of THEIR presence.
PG> Hullo Richard,
PG> Thanks for your reply. Please feel free to elaborate
PG> on what you said. Firstly, what sort of resource centre do you believe us
PG> to be and what do you believe the aliens' needs are?
I believe us to be a biological gene pool that they may need to probably
revitalize themselves. That may be only one purpose but racial survival is a
pretty powerful motive that would impel them to travel as far as necessary, to
be able to improve their stock, if they have the means to make the trip.
Also . . . .
Ann Druffel and the late D. Scott Rogo in their book, "The Tujunga Canyon
Contacts" investigated the case of some young women who were 'examined' by
beings who also wanted to have them and train them for work (!), if I remember
correctly from the book, apparently the 'beings' needed some (human) labor!
If that had been me, I might have jumped at the chance but the women didn't
want to and eventually the 'beings' left. I offhand wonder as I write this how
many abductions go beyond the medical exam and gene tapping . . . . if some of
these beings may be able to get long-term 'relationships' going with some
selected humans and how many of these 'relationships' get to the attention of
qualified investigators and whether these investigators would even take such
accounts seriously even if the human half would come forward to them to say
what happened . . . . The UFO community was split about taking abductions
seriously at one time.
We may be a much younger and biologically more vital species than these beings
might themselves be and that may be why they are here . . . perhaps. Much of
this theorizing of mine is based on Budd Hopkins book, "Intruders", the
chapter, Summing Up where a psychologist was taken on board a 'craft' and the
occupants in this case were much more communicative and than are most other
abduction cases we hear about and 'told' and showed this psychologist a lot of
things about themselves and their purpose here. Hopkins, however, related only
the barest outlines of this case as, in the chapter, he refused to publish
everything so as to give other confirming evidence a chance to surface.
PG> Secondly, please fill
PG> me in with regards to why the aliens do not wish to contact us directly
PG> and/or publicly, I'm afraid what is obvious to you isn't obvious to me.
Understood. I was typing my message very late at night, past my bedtime, in
fact, so I chose not to expound on that theme at that time. However . . . .
The impact on given peoples of cultural contact,(or cultural collision) has
long been recorded and talked about in other materials and the ultimate result
is that, in human history at least, any contact between a technically
'advanced' civilization and one deemed 'less' advanced has invariably meant
doom to the 'less advanced' culture. A case in point is the controversy in the
States as to how Christopher Columbus should be remembered; as a saint or devil
in the way native 'new world' cultures were treated by the European explorers
subsequent to Columbus' discoveries.
Now here come the UFO's. Are they alien spaceships? Some evidence might
strongly point in that direction, depending on who is asked that question. The
fact remains that, if some of these 'unknowns' ARE such things, then for the
FIRST time, perhaps in history, the balance of power on this world will be
turned upside down and the English-European descended superpowers will suddenly
find themselves in the same place as they found the New World 'Indians 500
years ago. We will then be the primitives confronting the Interstellar
Superpower! Considering what we have done to each other here on Planet Earth, a
contact like this, where, this time, WE are at a stark DISadvantage is not at
all a pleasant event to contemplate. That is assuming that THEY conduct
THEMSELVES toward us as we did toward the Indians back those many centuries . .
But what if THEY do not . . . .
If THEY did act like us, this network would not exist, neither MUFON or CUFOS
would be around and the debate about the existence of extraterrestrials would
be stilled as the very question, "are we alone in the universe?" would have
been forever answered as we would have long since been under THEIR rule.
Therefore . . . . .
What THEY DO NOT DO can, in an indirect way become part of a possible answer.
THEY may respect cultures other than THEIR own that are not as technically
advanced as THEY are but THEY recognize have a right of their own to exist free
from the kind of consequences that such contact can bring. (Hmmmm, I hope you
can understand that paragraph. It's kind of clumsy but the best I can think of
now.)
Then too . . . .
In our own eyes, let alone someone else's, the more thoughtful among us have
seen ourselves as still as a savage, violent, primitive species who cannot
tolerate any differences among ourselves without exploding into violent, often
lethal rages at the sight of any such differences. It can be anything,
religious, racial, sexual, political, whatever. In the States, our
'conservative' society has fostered deep homophobic attitudes towards people
who have sexual preferences away from an arbitarily prescribed 'norm,' and who
in the world HASN'T seen the now famous (or infamous) L.A. riots in the wake of
a certain judicial verdict that paints in stark, glaring terms the fact that in
spite of Civil Rights, etc., race relations in this country have a l-o-n-g way
yet to go before harmony there is realized, if it ever will be. Point is, in
this paragraph, if we as humans on this planet, can't treat our own differences
with courtesy, dignity and respect, we will be an abyssmal failure contacting
beings who are further removed from us . . . . .That is speaking of humans
generally, not specifically as people,
Which may be why . . . . . .
THEY are 'contacting,' "selecting", as THEY have been known to put it, or
abducting people singly to be put under control (temporarily) and with some,
maybe 'relationships' are forged . . . .
PG> Granted they may have biological needs and be using us in this regard, but
PG> given the current state of our medical technology - i.e. IVF, genetic
PG> engineering re attempts to eliminate inherited diseases etc. I tend to
PG> feel that aliens who are so advanced that they can cross however many
PG> light years they cross to get here would be advanced enough not to need us
PG> as a genetic resource be it for breeding with a view to revitalising
PG> themselves physically or otherwise.
We, perhaps may not be the only beings who develop inconsistently, that is,
overdeveloping in certain areas while being behind in others. We know next to
nothing about these beings' culture but I'm not of the opinion that because
THEY can do something we at present cannot do -- cross interstellar space --
THEY are superbeings at everything else, also. Perhaps THEY have this
inetrstellar technology but they may have worn themselves out by inbreeding.
That's just a guess and there are biological difficulties with this concept,
but that's for another message.
G'night
Richard
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From: Tom.Davis@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Davis)
Subject: Re: Abduction Theory?
Date: 31 May 92 00:57:00 GMT
Given the nearly mind numbing routine described by most abductees, it
occurs to me that the aliens reported in abduction cases may not be
scientists at all. Rather thay are more likely technicians or, even,
androids - either mechanical or organic.
Just a thought.
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From: Bill.Skiles@p7.f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Skiles)
Subject: Mind control
Date: 29 May 92 08:09:00 GMT
> Bill, I still have to send you my questionnaire.
> Hang in there, I'll do it.
Thanks, I'm hangin'.
BTW, I bought your book. There seems to be a lot
of stuff comming into my memory from earlier years.
Been sharing it with John Hicks, but I shoulda been
writing it down. I really don't know what to think
anymore. The farther away from the experience in
the Everglades, the more it becomes like a dream,
Wish to God there was someone local and I could
just find out one way or the other.
Thanks for not forgetting me.
Bill
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