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Abduction Digest Number 59
Abduction Digest, Number 59
Wednesday, April 29th 1992
(C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved.
Today's Topics:
Re: Thursday TV Program
Re: Thursday TV Program
Budd Hopkins
Ellen Crystall
Budd Hopkins
Re: Secret Life - Questio
Scott Corder MD
Re: Thursday Tv Program
KOA Weird Night appearance
Re: Secret Life - Questio
Re: Scott Corder MD
malpractice
Re: Abduction Detection
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Thursday TV Program
Date: 24 Apr 92 04:38:00 GMT
In a message to A L L <04-20-92 21:22> Linda Bird wrote:
LB> I understand that the early evening program "Hard Copy" (NBC)
LB> will feature a story/stories on UFO abductions and abductees telling
Are you sure it wasn't "A Current Affair"? If so, ya didn't miss much if you
missed it. They sandwiched in a fairly credible segment on abductions
between the Gulf Breeze flare balloons and Scott Corder, of all people. (By
the way, Mike Corbin, were you aware that he got his medical licence back??)
Jim
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Thursday TV Program
Date: 24 Apr 92 05:17:00 GMT
Hi Jim,
Just watched the tape of the UFO show on "A current Affair" -- you
were right! Anyway I got the tape correct.
Lots of Gulf Breeze; Uncle Phil was there; I almost forgot who Steve
Corder was until I remembered he was tied into Donna somebody; Jim, you
think those asre flare balloons? As good an explanation as any...they
forgot cattle mutes.
See ya,
Linda
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From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: Budd Hopkins
Date: 21 Apr 92 06:37:48 GMT
Budd Hopkins had a surgical procedure last week in New York and it went
extremely well. He can anticipate no more problems and will lead a healthy
life (hopefully). He is home now and on the mend. Although it threw a scare
into all of us close to him, the best possible outcome came from a serious
situation. We are all relieved and Budd will resume his schedule in a few
weeks.
Via SPITFIRE Bulletin Board System - Version 3.1
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Ellen Crystall
Date: 22 Apr 92 04:43:00 GMT
> A localized time shift could shift light from a UFO into IR or UV, or
> even make it invisible.
Well, ok....you know much more about that than I do...but that's still not
what she said. Haven't come across the book yet.
> But if that's what they're up to, they probably
> aren't doing it to waste folks' FotoMat dollars... :-)
Yeah, I'll buy that.
jbh
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Budd Hopkins
Date: 24 Apr 92 15:09:00 GMT
> Budd Hopkins had a surgical procedure last week in New York and it
> went extremely well. He can anticipate no more problems and will lead a
> healthy life (hopefully). He is home now and on the mend. Although it
> threw a scare into all of us close to him, the best possible outcome
> came from a serious situation. We are all relieved and Budd will
> resume his schedule in a few weeks.
Perhaps you could elaborate a little more on what happened with Budd. No one
on the network is aware that he was ill.
Thanks,
Mike
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From: John.Powell@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell)
Subject: Re: Secret Life - Questio
Date: 25 Apr 92 09:15:00 GMT
In a message to John Powell <22 Apr 92 20:44> Linda Bird wrote:
LB> Under the microscope instead of the weather, huh? Hehehe
How are ya Linda. Yeah, the recent past here has been nothing short of
baffling. It seems that "Officialdom" has coagulated around me... Fortunately,
I'm not an overly paranoid person...
LB> But when she was thinking to HERSELF, "Gee, I have to go to pottie..."
LB> she thought this was a private thought that the aliens wouldn't be able
LB> to pick up on. Sort of like pressing the "mute" button on a remote
LB> control TV gadget. Instead, the alien DID pick up on the thought! He
LB> got her out of there, perhaps afraid she would make a mess.
LB> Lydia was an adult when this experience occurred.
Why would an adult think "pottie"? Don't you think that's an unusual choice of
words/expression? (How did she determine it was a "he"?) Why would they be
worried about such a mess?
I love these kind of examples because lately I've been forcing myself to
specifically concentrate on two possibilities: 1) Abductions occur strictly in
the mind, they have no objective reality, they have no physical reality, they
are a self-created illus
I haven't begun to understand all the elements associated with #2 above, (and
I've allowed myself #1 simply to serve as the whipping boy), but there are at
least two areas that interest me.
First, there is the large area called Stigmata, (which Jacobs should have done
more on, IMHO). It is not enough to acknowledge that stigmata exists, which it
does, and then dismiss it solely because we don't understand how it could
possibly account for t(his.) It is not enough to explain Christian-related
blood myths as stigmatic responses and close the book. The _mind_ caused those
experiences, that much is documented. Shall we assume that the mind is,
somehow, therefore incapable of a non-Christian stigmati
Second, there is this area called 'phantom pain', usually associated with
phantom limbs. An amputee can 'feel' the missing limb, feel heat or cold or
touch, etc. Additionally, when a spot on a phantom limb 'itches' it can be
'scratched' and the 'itch' w
"...neuromatrix, or network of neurons, that, in addition to responding to
sensory stimulation, continuously generates a characteristic pattern of
impulses indicating that the body is intact and unequivocally one's own."
"The brain does more than detect and analyze inputs; it generates perceptual
experience even when no external inputs occur. We do not need a body to feel
a body."
"Phantoms [sensory experience from phantom limbs] become comprehensible once we
recognize that the brain generates the experience of the body. Sensory inputs
merely modulate that experience; they do not directly cause it."
- Phantom Limbs, Ronald Melzack, Ph.D, Professor of Psychology, Scientific
American, April, 1992.
The mind maintains a template of itself, of a conceived self, and it's form.
Removing a portion of the form does not alter the original template - the
template exists, in at least a near-complete form, prior to the existance of
the form itself.
If the _mind_ is abducted, (and I have no idea what that experience would be
like nor do I think does anyone who hasn't experienced it; and given this
proposed scenario I feel that conventional hypnotic regression techniques are
_fully incapable_ of revea
(If the mind was abducted then the abductor might return it to it's body
before it wet the bed to avoid detection...???)
Thanks, take care.
John.
* X R S * Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Scott Corder MD
Date: 25 Apr 92 19:42:02 GMT
* In a message originally to Linda Bird, Jim Speiser said:
>Are you sure it wasn't "A Current Affair"? If so, ya didn't
>miss much if you missed it. They sandwiched in a fairly
>credible segment on abductions between the Gulf Breeze flare
>balloons and Scott Corder, of all people. (By the way, Mike
>Corbin, were you aware that he got his medical licence back??)
Hi Jim,
You saw the show, then? I saw a teaser for it but couldn't
watch the program. I'm interested in the Corder situation (OMNI
story I did) and didn't know he had his license back -- is this
firm, not a gonna but a done? I'd love to hear anything you recall
from that segment. Thanks for the note (above) mentioning it which
allowed me to learn about this interesting detail!
==Peggy==
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Thursday Tv Program
Date: 25 Apr 92 19:46:03 GMT
* In a message originally to Jim Speiser, Linda Bird said:
>Hi Jim,
>
>Just watched the tape of the UFO show on "A current Affair" --
>you were right! Anyway I got the tape correct.
>
>Lots of Gulf Breeze; Uncle Phil was there; I almost forgot who
>Steve Corder was until I remembered he was tied into Donna
>somebody; Jim, you think those asre flare balloons? As good an
>explanation as any...they forgot cattle mutes.
Hi Linda,
You have a tape of the program? Any chance I could borrow it for a
week and return it? I would be glad to pay full postage and copy
price for tape or send you something else if you'd rather. I have
read the book that Corder and Donna/"Ruth" Butts wrote...it's a
strange story.
Thanks for mentioning the program. (Wish I'd been able to see your
announcement mssg sooner! That'll teach me to fail to call in
daily! <g>)
==Peggy==
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: KOA Weird Night appearance
Date: 25 Apr 92 19:59:04 GMT
Hello David,
I was so impressed by your excellent presentation on last
week's (4/24/92) "Weird Night" on KOA Radio -- you did a great job
of conveying information quickly and without extraneous detail and
of relating that information in an entertaining and enlightening
way. It was a great program and I'm sure Rick Barber (host) enjoyed
what you had to say as much as his listeners, including myself, did.
Many of the issues you pointed out made me see the abductee
situation in a new light. Particularly impressive to me were two
points you raised: 1) the missing people really are physically
missing, based on searches and family members reporting the missing
to police, and 2) the similarity of all reports of examination,
whether the reporting person is an adult or small child (adults
might have common background of having read/seen/heard such
descriptions and absorbed them into confabultion but it's extremely
unlikely that children could've done so.) The most outstanding
point, though, was the lack of explanation offered by abductees. I
had not thought of that before -- that it would be the first thing a
confabulator or otherwise in-error person reporting abduction would
do, but these people who appear to actually be abductees have not
created or found any answer to the "why are they here" or "why are
they doing this" questions because they don't know the answers. It
makes perfect sense that someone who would create the story of his
own abduction for whatever reason would also create a response to
fill that gap.
In fact, the interesting points you brought up on the Weird
Night program and the comments and supporting evidence you added
have convinced me that I must now read your book.
Thank you!
==Peggy=
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Secret Life - Questio
Date: 26 Apr 92 06:33:00 GMT
Hi John,
I don't know why aliens would be afraid of a mess, unless they have
cleaned up a bunch of messes. Remember the South American man (I
recall the words "Villa Boas" for some reason) I mentioned earlier who
said he threw up while aboard the spacecraft. I seem to recall
some-thing I saw in OMNI within the last year about people who said
they had thrown up while abducted. I can look for that article later
in the week...
I recall Budd Hopkins talking about mind abductions while I attended
the Pensacola MUFON Conference in July 1990. While the aliens may be
playing mind games, for some it is all too real, so it seems.
Regards,
Linda
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Scott Corder MD
Date: 26 Apr 92 23:18:00 GMT
Hi Peggy:
PN> Hi Jim,
PN> You saw the show, then? I saw a teaser for it but couldn't
PN> watch the program. I'm interested in the Corder situation (OMNI
PN> story I did) and didn't know he had his license back -- is this firm,
PN> not a gonna but a done? I'd love to hear anything you recall from
According to the program, it's a fait accompli. I'm not sure what reason was
given for lifting it in the first place, does anyone know? Anyway, Corder
was among the strangest of the strange. I didn't know you wrote the OMNI
article about him, I would have provided you with my Corder file, which is
about an inch thick with correspondence from him, all showing one man's
gradual descent into total insanity.
The only good segment on that program was the abductions and the interview
with Jacobs. Unfortunately, that was sandwiched between the Gulf Breeze
lights and Corder. The Gulf Breeze lights are almost surely balloon-borne
road flares. A Current Affair made a big deal about catching the things on
camera and having zero explanation, yet the first thing I thought of was
"road flare." The things burned an incandescent, sparkly red for a while,
then flashed white and winked out - EXACTLY what a road flare would do.
Here's the unfortunate thing: A Current Affair used to make fun of UFOs.
While its good to see such a program change its mind, its terrible if it
happens for the wrong reason. When and If the GB flare UFOs are ever
exposed, ACA will have its face covered with indelible egg, and will
probably vow, "We won't get fooled again." After that point, a landing in
St. Peter's Square on live satellite TV wouldn't impress them.
Jim
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: malpractice
Date: 27 Apr 92 15:33:02 GMT
Hello David,
I am interested in learning how you and the therapists that you
work with protect yourselves against potential malpractice suits
that may arise from "discontented" subjects.
This insurance consideration seems to be a significant research
roadblock for many professionals, who fear possible reprisals from
individuals for therapy conducted outside of the conventional
clinic scenario.
Regards,
Sheldon
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From: Tom.Davis@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Davis)
Subject: Re: Abduction Detection
Date: 29 Apr 92 00:18:00 GMT
Point well made. But, how does such an object disappear? Does
someone (or thing) remove it, or does it molecularly come apart? For
obvious scientific reasons, there is a bit of a problem with the latter
explanation.
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