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Abduction Digest Number 40
Abduction Digest, Number 40
Wednesday, January 15th 1992
Today's Topics:
Premature Births
Advice
Re: abductions
abductions and FPP
Premature Births
Salem Therapist
Australian abductions
Australian abductions 2
Australian abductions3
Australian abductions 4
Australian abductions 5
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Premature Births
Date: 14 Jan 92 05:16:01 GMT
In a message to All <12-Jan-92 18:03> Brent Wilcox wrote:
BW> I'm aware of the "birth trauma" theory of abductions, and
BW> wonder is anyone has looked for premie births in the data.
BW> Even more potentially traumatic than birth itself might be
BW> being stuck in an incubator and/or hooked to life support
BW> equipment.
Interesting commentary Brent. The individual would of course have
no conscious recollection of this neo-natal vestige, although the
effects on the psyche, as you suggest, could be profound.
I am unaware if any such statistical data has been compiled.
Perhaps some of the others on this echo are so informed.
Take care,
-- Sheldon
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Advice
Date: 13 Jan 92 06:17:00 GMT
> I guess the big question is, what advice does one give a potential
> abduction victim who has no desire for hypnosis?
Have her be sure she writes down *every tidbit* at the time she recalls it.
Very important that she take the time *right then* to write it down.
She could later look over all that stuff and it might trigger more memories.
I'll forward your message to a local sympathetic shrink via netmail; maybe
he can help.
jbh
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From: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Danny Brandenburg)
Subject: Re: abductions
Date: 13 Jan 92 10:19:53 GMT
Someone seems to have a real attitude about Mensa. Geesh, calm down.
Now back to the subject at hand...
Yes, there is obviously a strong connection between Mensa and
religious beliefs. However, I really don't think this proves much in
the field of UFO work. I will be very interested, amazed, and willing
to listen if Mensa members can *produce* evidence to support their
religious claims.
Well, I am babbling as usual due to me writing this at 3:30 am so
I suppose I will close for now.
Danny Brandenburg
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From: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Danny Brandenburg)
Subject: abductions and FPP
Date: 13 Jan 92 10:29:18 GMT
Has there been a general demographic description of abductees? This
would be very interesting to look at. I would predict (just a
groundless belief) that "most" (not all) people that claim abduction
experience would be from a non-traditional religious background (ie. New
Age, etc.). If this is true, one cannot easily explain why there are
others from other religious backgrounds (ie. Christian, atheist, etc.)
also have these experiences.
Personally, I do believe that the abduction claims are true...to an
extent. I still have a hard time believing the abductions are
attributed to "aliens", but there is certainly something happening.
Too much evidence has been collected (and being collected) to dismiss
this as fantasy alone.
Danny Brandenburg
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From: Brent.Wilcox@p5.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Brent Wilcox)
Subject: Premature Births
Date: 14 Jan 92 21:08:45 GMT
In a message to Brent Wilcox <13 Jan 92 22:16> Sheldon Wernikoff wrote:
SW> Interesting commentary Brent. The individual would of course have
SW> no conscious recollection of this neo-natal vestige, although the
SW> effects on the psyche, as you suggest, could be profound.
Yes. Instead of cozy maternal imprinting and bonding, the infant is
whisked away by friendly, caring strangers who isolate it and often
perform medical proceedures on it (until recently newborns were
operated on without anesthesia). Sounds uncannilly -- to me -- like
the "caring but alien" treatment some abductees report.
I was a premie myself, and spent several weeks in an incubator.
I've never had a classic "abduction experience", but I did have
recurrent dreams in my very early childhood that seem similar to
those some report (in my case, little figures who carried me out of
bed and up to "the attic") -- which I can best trace back to
post-birth experiences.
It was running into a couple other "premies" -- who actually claimed
abduction-like encounters but discounted their post-birth
experiences as anything but coincidence -- that got me thinking
about this angle.
But then, as a lifetime fan of science fiction, a follower of
fortean stuff since about the age of 9 or 10, and a writer, I'm no
doubt a "fantasy prone person" too. <g>
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Salem Therapist
Date: 15 Jan 92 05:46:01 GMT
Hello David,
I've been corresponding with a very capable psychologist (Psy. D.)
in Salem, OR, who is most interested in becoming more involved with
abduction therapy. She has received a few cases through MUFON
referrals, but none have proven to be, in her opinion, without
complicating coexisting issues, which the subjects were unwilling
to explore.
I know there are individuals in that area that might be looking for
a qualified therapist to aid in coping with and understanding their
experience. Would you possibly be able to assist her in making some
connections? By the way... her area of focus has been sexually
abused women. Thanks --
-- Sheldon
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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Australian abductions
Date: 8 Jan 92 03:17:00 GMT
Hullo David, Allow me to introduce myself. Keith Basterfield, aged
41, living in Adelaide, South Australia. I have been interested in
the UFO phenomenon since 1968. Whilst accepting that there is core
UFO phenomenon beneath the thousands of reports I have been
advocating an exploration of all angles before reaching a conclusion.
When applied to the abduction phenomenon I have been suggesting a
thorough exploration of potential psychological explanations before
proceeding to alternative hypotheses. Some 2 years ago I teamed up
with Sociologist Bob Bartholomew to explore the fantasy-prone
personality as a possible hypothesis to explain some/all abductions.
This work recently saw light of day in a US Psych Journal. This work
was a suggestion to clinicians/abduction researcers to do some
testing since I did not have the scientific background to undertake
it myself. Ken Ring's work on NDErs and abductees said the FPP link
was weak/non-existent. CUFOS are almost through some psych testing of
the FPP hypothesis and I await their results with interest. If
abductees don't rate well as FPP then I think we can then move on to
other hypotheses. The ETH may then rate as the best fit. I have taken
this slow route because health professionals will themselves wish to
ensure no psych explanations fit before considering other hypotheses.
The US Psych article was intended to get people to look at the topic
not suggest we had THE answer. Since co-writing the article I have
worked with a number of abductees in my home state. Some seem to fit
the FPP some don't. A while ago Michael Corbin asked me to describe
some of our abduction/missing times cases. This and the following
messages provided summaries of the 17 cases I have been associated
with over the last few years:-
1. Sep/Oct 1970 Sydney New South Wales "Adrian".
One night a man noticed a red/orange glow in the bush close to his
home. He took his dog and went to investigate. Getting closer to it
he saw a glow illuminating the area. His dog became excited and
dashed into the bush. There next appears a discontinuity in his
physical and emotional recall-an apparent period of "missing time."
He next recalled seeing an owl fly past him and he could hear his own
internal thought : 'There's something I should remember.' Strangely,
he felt comfortable with this, lost interest in the glow and went
home. (UFORA91036 Keith Basterfield and Julia Elsbeth).
2. 1972 Largs Bay South Australia "Carol Williams."
A 27 year old woman reported a lifelong series of experiences which
commenced with a CE1 at age 6. This was followed by other UFO
experiences, poltergeist activity, telepathy, precognitive dreams, an
out of body experience, lucid dreams, hypnagogic imagery and sleep
paralysis, amongst other things. Of particular interest was a
recurrent nightmare of encounters with a strange dwarf in an unusual
room. Memories of some of these events were triggered after watching
an "Unsolved Mysteries" segment on abductions on television. Under
regression recollection eventuated of one abduction at age 9. Partial
recollection of a second possible abduction at age 15 ran into a
mental block. A friend of hers participated in some of the
experiences and was present in the same room at the age 15 episode.
Regression of this second woman confirmed parts of carol's story but
not the abduction. (UFORA89036 UFORSA & Keith Basterfield).
3. 1974 Elizabeth South Australia "Lisa."
A woman recalled, that as a 9 year old girl, she and a friend
observed a UFO at close range in suburban Elizabeth. As she had
memories of observing the UFO from two different locations a fraction
of a second apart, she suspected a period of missing time. Regression
revealed no abduction scenario. (UFORA89037 UFORSA & Keith
Basterfield.)
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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Australian abductions 2
Date: 8 Jan 92 03:32:00 GMT
4 1977-1989 Adelaide South Australia "Anne Hastings."
A 34 year old woman related at least 3 encounters with entities. The
first appears to be religious. On the second, one night she suddenly
found herself recalling that she had somehow been in a very large
room where there had been a large number of human-like figures,
including a human child about age 10. The room showed no apparent
source of illumination. It was warmly lit-a very light soft blue
colour. Breathing was no problem, gravity was normal and the
temperature was skin temperature. She can recall conversing with the
child. On the following occasion she had retired to bed when she
found herself drifting through tunnels. Suddenly she was in a room.
This time the people present were not human. They had pointed faces,
large heads, and slanted very dark blue eyes. Their heads were quite
swollen at the forehead, with their ears being little, with no lobes
as such. They had thin bodies, were grey in colour and short in
stature. One of the female aliens was carrying a baby. The baby had
its arms outstretched and the witness asked to hold and nurse it.
Suddenly, she knew she had to go and found herself back in bed. She
quickly fell asleep. In her teens she underwent precognitive dreams
and later in life (continuing) precognitive visions. (UFORA89016 Ray
Brooke & Keith Basterfield.)
5. Mar 1978 Gisborne New Zealand 'P'
Three women were involved in an apparent abduction event in the midst
of a large UFO flap near Gisborne which began in 1977. One night they
were lying on a hillside watching the skies, and felt that a period
of missing time occurred. Shortly after the event a regression
hypnosis sesssion was arranged and an abduction scenario revealed. In
1989 during a retrospective investigation by Keith Basterfield and
Bill Chalker, a regression session was conducted with 'P'. This
revealed an account of being drawn up a beam of light, and of talking
to a male entity. All 3 women then found themselves back on the
hillside. (UFORA89017 Original investigation by Bryan Dickeson. 1989
by Keith Basterfield and Bill Chalker.)
6. 1979 Melbourne Victoria "Mark."
A man retied to bed one night at about 11 p.m. Shortly after closing
his eyes he lost all sense of sound and feeling and found himself
travelling in a tunnel through space. Looking forwards he noted a
light at the end of the tunnel. His next awareness was of lying on a
table in a "craft". He was being medically examined by 3 beings. One
of the beings seemed to be a human female, with long blonde hair. The
other 2 were some 150cm tall, fat and of a dark brown colour. These
latter two had plumpish faces, large eyes, a large nose and bigger
lips and ears than us. They addressed him in English and seemed like
scientists. When they intoruced a "scanner" he "freaked out" and woke
up in his own bed. All his teeth were numb and his knuckles were
white. (Garry Little.)
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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Australian abductions3
Date: 8 Jan 92 03:50:00 GMT
7. 1980-1989 Adelaide South Australia "Barbara White."
A young woman wanted assistance to determine the origin of 3
relatively large triangular scars on her forehead which had simply
appeared over night some 2 years prior. Over a 10 year period Barbara
saw UFOs, had a near death out of body experience, and a peak
experience. She also experienced telepathy, precognitive visions,
sleep paralysis, hypnagogic imagery, and other psychic style events.
As to the marks on the forehead she did have recollections of
something touching her forehead during one night, following which the
marks were seen the next day which later resulted in the current
scars. Under regression she recounted how a "shadow" was in her room
and shone a laser-like beam of light onto her forehead. (UFORA90038
UFORSA & Keith Basterfield.)
8. 24 Oct 1981 Port Lincoln South Australia Messrs P & J
2 young men were travelling by car when they encountered a "white
endless space" where a time loss of several hours is said to have
occurred. During this lost time they have vague memories of a "being"
and recalled "...walking into a big room..." Just prior to this
"space" they had been watching a mysterious light in the sky. They
did not wish a complete investigation. (Keith Basterfield & Pony
Godic).
9. 1983 Darwin Northern Territory "Simon".
A 16 year old reported a series of events which included a night time
encounter, a number of dreams and also observations of entities about
the house. However, his sketches of the entities were straight copies
of Betty Andreasson's beings copied from the original Fowler book
which he had read. An investigation revealed a possible psychologcal
explanation for the story. (Keith Basterfield & Pony Godic.)
10 Ca 1988 Adelaide South Australia "Jan".
A married woman went to bed one night and during the night had a very
vivid experience which she believes was not a dream. She found
herself in this white space. Present were 3 entities. They were some
210cm tall, and covered in gowns. She wasn't frightened of them. She
had a discussion with them. Next morning she had a vivid recall of
the events of the night apart from the content of the conversation.
Personality changes ensued from that time. Since then she has
reported episodes of sleep paralysis, and other unusual activity.
(UFORA91037 Keith Basterfield.)
11 Ca 1988 Mid North South Australia "Elizabeth."
Over a number of years a woman has experienced interactions with
aliens. All these have taken place in her bedroom on the interface
between sleep and wakefulness. Some of the episodes have involved
sexual contact. (UFORA91038 Keith Basterfield.)
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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Australian abductions 4
Date: 8 Jan 92 04:03:00 GMT
12. 1988(?) Adelaide South Australia "Frank."
A man reported that he was in 2 way communication with aliens via an
implant in his ear. During an investigation it was revealed that he
had undergone 2 apparent out of body experiences where he was "sucked
out" of his body. He indicated that during these episodes he had been
taken onboard a UFO. His account was set in the context of the Ashtar
command via automatic writing.
13 Lifelong Adelaide South Australia "Susan."
A 31 year old woman told how at age 10-11 she was abducted from her
bedroom by 1 tall and a group of small, entities. The smaller beings
were some 120cm tall, with large bald heads. They had large eye
sockets, no visible pupils, with dark blue or black eyes. With a slit
mouth and a small nose. The taller being seemed to be in command, and
was some 210cm tall. Susan was levitated off the bed and taken to a
circular "room" where she received a medical examination whilst lying
on a metal table. The next conscious recollection was of waking up
in her own bed. Regression sessions documented her abduction claim.
This woman also recounts numerous lifelong episodes of such things as
poltergeist activity, a sense of presence, being told she levitated
whilst she slept, seeing objects such as childrens'tricycles moving
by themselves, experiencing apparitions, precognitive visions,
telepathy and spirit photographs. There were also claims of unusual
implants in her mouth. In addition there are fragmentary recall of a
number of other abductions. The case is set in the context of the
woman being an adult survivor of childhood sexual abuse. (UFORA90045
UFORSA & Keith Basterfield.)
14 Lifelong Tasmania/South Australia "Nigel."
A number of paranormal and abduction-like events were reported by a
27 year old man in 1990. These included a 1987 event in which he woke
paralysed in bed. Something was being pushed into a vein in his arm.
Upon awakening he found a hole in his arm from which blood was
issuing. (UFORA90066 Keith Basterfield & Julia Elsbeth.)
15 Jul 1989 Adelaide South Australia "Julian."
A man and his wife have recollections of being abducted on the same
night. He recalls an entity with oval shaped head, large black eyes,
a slit for a mouth and nostrils, looking at him. (UFORA91098 Keith
Basterfield.)
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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Australian abductions 5
Date: 8 Jan 92 04:10:00 GMT
16. Jun 1988 Jamestown South Australia "Bronte."
A 58 year old farmer related that one night he experienced an unusual
"attack" whilst in bed. Later he saw a UFO at close range and found a
disturbed area of ground. (UFORSA).
17 1988-1990 Melbourne Victoria "Rita."
Several unusual episodes are said to have occurred to a Victorian
woman. Episodes included her 6 year old son telling her that several
small men entered his bedroom, shinign a "torch" at him. In addition
her 14 year old daughter told her she had seen a large, luminous
object floating down their driveway. The woman herself had been
physically pulled out of bed by "something" one night. Finally, the
woman recalled a "dream" from age 7 in which 3 "pixies" entered her
room and took her away. (UFORA91044 Keith Basterfield.)
These then are the cases I have been associated with so far. Note the
variety of experiences, the tunnel like manner of some abductions,
similar to near death experience imagery.
Anyway David, hope this background and information on Australian cases
are of interest. Welcome back to the folder, and I hope we may all
have some interesting discussion on the topic of our mutual interests.
If I may help you with additional details on any of these cases,
please let me know either here or by mail at PO Box 302, Modbury
North, South Australia 5092. Bye.
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