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Abduction Digest Number 60
Abduction Digest, Number 60
Monday, May 4th 1992
(C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved.
Today's Topics:
Re: malpractice
Ellen Crystall
Stuff
UFO Dream
Budd Hopkins
KOA program
Re: UFO Dream
Secret Life
Abduction Detection
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: malpractice
Date: 29 Apr 92 21:55:00 GMT
Sheldon:
I'm interested in hearing David's response as well, but I have a few
thoughts on that subject. My own personal feeling is that abductionists
should always recommend psychiatric counseling to their subjects from the
outset - but should stress that such recommendation is for the purpose of
PTSD or EAT therapy only and not (necessarily) for the treatment of some
perceived psychosis. A disclaimer should be signed, and thereafter if the
patient balks at the recommendation it becomes his/her problem (from a legal
standpoint).
>From the standpoint of the licensed practitioners, on the other hand, who
might charge abductionists with practicing medicine without a licence, I
feel such charges are unwarranted. First, most states do not require a
license for "counseling", and as long as the abduction therapy is conducted
strictly within this context, I don't see a conflict. Second, if counseling
abduction victims is considered "medicine", it might be incumbent upon
mental health professionals to show where Abduction Syndrome is a "disease."
THAT could prove interesting....
Jim
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Ellen Crystall
Date: 26 Apr 92 20:23:00 GMT
> She believes that use of a
> camera with a plastic lens instead of a glass lens can help overcome
> this problem. Does this make sense from the photographic standpoint?
No, none at all. Actually an inexpensive plastic lens might tend to produce
more flare, which could show up in the images as bright blobs.
> I've finally seen a copy of her book although I haven't had time to read
> it yet. It's too bad that the pictures are printed in black and white.
> I've seen them in color and they look a little more impressive,
> particularly the photograph which is reprinted in the book (I believe)
> as photo #13.
I've been looking for the book but haven't seen it yet.
> I think Bob Girard hit this book awfully hard because so much
> of what was discussed was based more on *belief* than detached
> observation.
Yes, that has to be considered a serious flaw.
> Compare the balls of light that she referrs to as "Tesla
> fields" to the balls of light in the Russian photographs which appear in
> Jaques Vallee's new (too tiny for $18) book on Russian ufology. They
> might be something more than artifacts of the photographic process.
> Whaddaya think?
Seems that there's been a run on OBOLs (orange balls of light) lately.
I'll keep looking for her book.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Stuff
Date: 26 Apr 92 20:25:01 GMT
> According to Bryon the BBS where he got UFO stopped getting it, I think he
> said it was to reduce LD costs.
His echomail hub arbitrarily cut off the echo!? Bryon could probably get it
directly from his REC.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: UFO Dream
Date: 29 Apr 92 06:08:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "UFO"
* Originally by Lynn Parham
* Originally to All
* Originally dated 27 Apr 1992, 14:55
The following is forwarded from Fido UFO. I've suggested to Lynn that she
and/or her coworker contact you here.
jbh
My co-worker S.W. observed a UFO a year or so ago. She later had a series
of nightmares which gradually faded. Recently she had the following dream
which seemed quite realistic and disturbing.
I knew something was wrong. Instinctively I ran to one of windows looking
out on the backyard. An intense panicky feeling overtook me as I saw the huge
dark metal disk hovering outside. There was no sound and no lights. Fear was
over powering and my mind began to race. I turned away from the window and
began to run from the room into the hallway. I thought if I could reach the
front door and could get outside, I would be safe. For some unknown reason I
knew deep inside my efforts were futile. No sooner had I stepped into the
hallway then I felt my body began to slow down. My steps were quickly becoming
labored, my movements slow and awkward. The panicky feeling was slipping away
and my breathing began to slow. I stood in the dark hallway, finding myself
needing to lean back against the wall. Just standing was becoming a difficult
task in itself and against my will, my legs gave out and I slid slowly down to
the floor. My arms fell limp against my side, even my head felt heavy, so
heavy that when I heard the rustling of other bodies around me, I could not
look up. I simply stared at my legs outstretched in front of me. I was aware
that several of them were standing around me, others moving about the dark
house. There was no fear anymore, I could hardly feel anything. One of them
bent down next to me and laid out several things beside her. I somehow knew it
was a female even though I could not move and lift my head to see. She took my
left arm in her hand and I watched as another hand handed her a syringe. As
terrified of needles as I am, I wanted to cry out, but my mouth wouldn't
worked. I watched in horror as the needle penetrated the back of my wrist.
Surprisingly there was no pain, not even a prick. For some reason this
fascinated me. I felt another hand on me, reaching for my hair. The one who
had taken my blood, asked me if I was still taking the medicine. This confused
me somewhat. I couldn't remember taking anything, but strangely I tried to say
yes. I couldn't open my mouth, but I heard her say "Good"
There were a few more details of an intimate nature that S.W. did not wish
to reveal. She woke up before the exam was complete. She later examined her
wrist but saw no evidence of a needle insertion. Any comments?
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From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: Budd Hopkins
Date: 29 Apr 92 06:56:35 GMT
Budd Hopkins had a kidney problem that was corrected with surgery. A
potentially difficult situation was caught in time and there are no residual
effects. Everything is now all right and no other therapeutic regimins are
indicated. We all held our breath and then breathed a sigh of relief.
Via SPITFIRE Bulletin Board System - Version 3.1
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From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: KOA program
Date: 29 Apr 92 07:00:05 GMT
Peggy, thank you for your kind words about my talk on the KOA program. As
I remember, that show was on at 4:00 a.m. Denver time. It was hard to imagine
that anybody would be listening at that time. It was difficult enough for me
to get up at 6:00 a.m. to do the show. The best thing about the show for me
was that Barber let me ramble on for much longer periods of time than do most
interviewers. Therefore, I could pick up a head of steam a little. Anyway,
thanks much.
Via SPITFIRE Bulletin Board System - Version 3.1
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: UFO Dream
Date: 3 May 92 03:40:00 GMT
Hi John,
What a frightening "dream!" I would like to see David Jacob's comment
on realistic dreams, having had a few myself (but nothing as scary as
your friend, John).
Did she describe what parts of these creatures she DID see? Did their
hands look human or otherwise. Did she hear the creature speak with
her ears or in her head?
Keep us posted of further details, if possible.
Linda
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From: Bill.Skiles@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Skiles)
Subject: Secret Life
Date: 2 May 92 21:05:00 GMT
David, I just finished reading Secret Life and wanted to say that you
did a good job in presenting the facts that you have gleaned from your
research. It did not appear that you were leading people toward any
direction of personal bais only presenting the facts. Good job. Now, I
want to ask you something.
If the guy that got drunk was able to resist the greys mind control
and dance around the room. Doesn't that suggest that some kind of
medication could help to resist these things?
What about learning hypnosis as a means of fighting their mind control,
would this help?
You said that you had little data on men that have been abducted after
having had vasectomy's but that women have been abducted even after
having had hystorectomy's. Just to give you one more little piece of
information. I have had numerous sightings (in the sky) since I was a
kid, and you know my most recent experience. I had a vasectomy 15 years
ago.
Finally, I noticed that you have a support group going for abductees,
what is available here in Central Florida?
I'm still hanging out here in no man's land.
Bill
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Abduction Detection
Date: 3 May 92 06:51:00 GMT
> Point well made. But, how does such an object disappear? Does
> someone (or thing) remove it, or does it molecularly come apart?
Not a clue, although I'd have a hard time with the molecular..er..dissolution
idea.
jbh
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