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Abduction Digest Number 54
Abduction Digest, Number 54
Tuesday, March 31st 1992
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Today's Topics:
Abduction Detection
"Empty-Womb" Syndromes
I'm back again
Thanks
Fantasy Prone Personalities
Book
Abduction detection
Larry King
Abduction Detection
Secret Life - Questions, 1/3
Secret Life - Questions, 2/3
Secret Life - Questions, 3/3
Abduction detection
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Abduction Detection
Date: 25 Mar 92 04:32:00 GMT
JP> I just started Jacob's book so this might sound completely
JP> stupid but why hasn't anybody used a personal telemetry
JP> device that _cannot be detached_???
Good idea. Two problems....finding an abductee who's willing to take the
risk, and perhaps a much more difficult problem, finding the money to pay
for the gear.
JP> waking/rising and then turning off the camera) is also on
JP> videotape? Has anyone seen this?
*Good question*.
jbh
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From: Doug.Morrow@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Doug Morrow)
Subject: "Empty-Womb" Syndromes
Date: 27 Mar 92 23:13:00 GMT
David,
You mention in your book that you have at least one case where a
doctor confirmed a missing fetus. Without mentioning the names or
any of the specifics, has it been documented, or is it just the
abductees word that the doctor confirmed it?
It would seem very important to get some legitimate confirmation of
something like this, given the (apparently) vast number of times
that you say it is happening. If this phenomena could be reliably
documented four or five times, it would go a long way toward
dispelling my (and possibly others) doubts about the real external
"reality" of it. I am not suggesting that your subjects are lying,
but I do believe that there is a very high likelyhood that many, if
not most of these reports are based on subjective experiences of the
abductee, but "written and directed" (if you will) by the
instigators of the phenomena.
It is not that I don't think that there is nothing to the experience
or the overall phenomena, but that what is being reported is
intended to be misleading and decieving. If there were some
documented cases of missing fetus', that would lend strong
support to the external reality of the abductions.
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From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: I'm back again
Date: 30 Mar 92 04:43:55 GMT
Thanks to all for forebearing with me until the book tour and publicity is
over. I have come back for a week or so although the activity still
continues. Right now I am rescheduled for the Larry King show on April 10th.
They are trying to get me on it March 30th, but I do not believe that I will
be able to do it. I will try to get to all my messages in the meantime. I
must say that I have been swamped with phone calls and mail. I am just now
trying to dig my way out from under it all. Thanks for waiting!
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From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: Thanks
Date: 30 Mar 92 04:48:46 GMT
Michael, thanks for your kind words about my book. I especially appreciate
the thoughts about my matrix. Although it looks simple, there is a lot of
work in it.
John Mack's foreword is indicative of how people can investigate and think
about this subject in very different ways. I hope that once the subject
becomes more regularized and systematized, the thought about the subject will
also become more systematic and the interpretation will be the subject of
debate.
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From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: Fantasy Prone Personalities
Date: 30 Mar 92 05:01:18 GMT
Thank you for your note, Anson. I am afraid that I do not place much stock
in the fantasy prone personality hypothesis. I find no evidence that it plays a
significant role in the generation of abduction reports. All the fuss about it
is based on the vague notion that in some way abduction reports are generated
by people who have a "condition" that impels them to fantasize so strongly
about abductions that it appears real to them. Once again, there is simply no
evidence for the great body of abduction reports. The Bartholomew--Basterfield
article that you allude to does not make a very strong case for the
fantasy-prone personality to figure into abduction reports.
The problem was that the way that abductions were defined was so vague and
"contactee"--oriented that it became meaningless. If you wish I could go into
much more detail about the FPP hypothesis and the article, but suffice it to
say that the FPP hypothesis is, as far as I am concerned, a non-starter.
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From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: Book
Date: 30 Mar 92 05:09:01 GMT
Thanks for your message Sheldon. I am not really sure why there are more
women than men in my study. This might be an artifact of the small population,
it might be because women tend to come forward more, it might be because there
are more women abductees than men. We really do not know.
Geography and location appear to be almost meaningless in the abduction
phenomenon. I work with people within a hundred mile radius of Philadelphia,
but that is for convenience so that they can see me on a regular basis if they
want. The abductions in my population occurred all over the United States.
If people float through a closed window and nobody sees this, then location
is not important. Put away your maps and push-pins.
There does not seem to be any correlation between being overweight and
being abducted. I think that about 40% of the population is overweight in the
United States, and therefore that probably shows up in the abductee population
as well.
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From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: Abduction detection
Date: 30 Mar 92 05:15:33 GMT
I welcome any and all comments about abduction detection. Of course we have
thought quite a bit about this and we have tried to put some things into
effect but so far without success. The most important thing is that it must
be passive, difficult to tamper with, and simple. The video camera going all
night long is a good example of this. Yes, I do have a video of a woman getting
up around 5:30 a.m., walking over to the VCR and turning it off for apparently
no reason. When I get a chance I will relate some of the suggestions that have
come my way.
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From: Jim.Shaffer@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Shaffer)
Subject: Larry King
Date: 30 Mar 92 07:49:00 GMT
Last weekend, my brother called me to say he had heard you were going to be on
the Larry King show on CNN that Tuesday. I tuned in Tuesday and Larry said
that there would be a "big UFO debate" on Wednesday. Wednesday came and there
was no UFO debate, and Larry didn't say anything about a postponement or even
indicate in any way that anything was *supposed* to happen. Could you fill me
in?
(P.S.: My brother was assuming that the guest would be David Jacobs. If it
was to be someone else, does anyone know what happened anyway?)
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From: John.Powell@p5.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell)
Subject: Abduction Detection
Date: 28 Mar 92 19:17:59 GMT
In a message to John Powell <24 Mar 92 21:32> John Hicks wrote:
> JP> I just started Jacob's book so this might sound completely
> JP> stupid but why hasn't anybody used a personal telemetry
> JP> device that _cannot be detached_???
JH> Good idea. Two problems....finding an abductee who's willing to
JH> take the risk, and perhaps a much more difficult problem, finding
JH> the money to pay for the gear.
Based on some of the transcripts in Secret Life I rather suspect that at least
some of Jacob's clients are less than excited about their abductions and some
have used the camera technique and a few other techniques... Based on the
alien's responses to these techniques it doesn't _seem_ to be a risk to attempt
these type of things... I'm guessing that this gear (the telemetry device,
ankle bracelet) could be loaned out. Maybe not from a State/Fed agency, but
maybe from the manufacturer. The gear to monitor the telemetry device could
probably be found in most any University electronics or engineering lab...
>From a double-blind viewpoint the Abductee would be convinced that they are
unable to remove/deactivate the device (which would probably be true anyway
aside from any convincing), _and_ they'd be unable to turn off the monitoring
machine since it wouldn't necessarily even have to be in the same location...
If no Abductions occur then I guess nothing would really be proven beyond what
is already proven/suspected. However, if the monitor registers the telemetry
device at 60,000 ft., well... <grin>
Two other comments on a personal telemetry device: I think it would be supreme
irony and humor for us to employ one... Even the aliens might appreciate that
one... And, at least for me, it would be more important than a photograph any
day...
> JP> waking/rising and then turning off the camera) is also on
> JP> videotape? Has anyone seen this?
JH> *Good question*.
I just finished the book. Damn fine work! Regardless of what it is that is
causing/doing the Abductions, Jacobs deserves an award for establishing a
rather solid structure and methodology, and the medical/psychiatric community
should be embarassed and ashamed that a professor of history had to go out to
the fringes to codify something that _they_ should have already been focused
on and addressing...
Thanks, take care.
John.
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From: John.Powell@p5.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell)
Subject: Secret Life - Questions, 1/3
Date: 28 Mar 92 20:22:37 GMT
I just finished your book. Thank you very much for what I thought was an
excellent work! (And thanks for being available for questions and discussion.)
I don't want to be totally rude, but I have about 3 pages of questions... (The
numbers are the pages in Secret Life that generally contain the material
referenced by the question.)
(25) Have you personally seen any markings? Regarding the "scoop" mark that
Fowler received, any idea on why it healed as a scoop mark and did not 'fill
in?'
(28) You mention that each Abductee contributed a portion of the overall event
scenario, could you provide an aggregate percentage estimate of how true to
the scenario all of your client's experiences have been?
(45) "...slipped into channelling..." Has this been independently documented?
Have you ever witnessed this?
(71) Why do you think children are not switched off? Is it possible that they
are switched off yet, since they're children, have absolutely no way of
perceiving that they have been switched off?
(82) Can you be more specific regarding impaired vision? Do you think it might
be an effect of partial paralysis (can't move eye muscles for focusing or eye
movement)? Would the consciousness/perception impairment result in 'images'
simply not being 'registered' at the time?
(86) Has an Abduction ever been aborted?
(93) Do you have any ideas why the special attention to the coccyx?
Descriptions of aliens seem to suggest that they don't have one (or knees or
elbows either)...
(?) Is it possible that the Staring is a trick or diversion and that a handheld
device is placed on or near the head?
(136) Maybe the "black box" is a 'creativity test', to measure the different
things Abductees think it might be?
(151) The track-ball pointing device witnessed in 1965 was interesting. Aside
from the beam in/out, what other specific examples of alien technology, that
is fully beyond our own R&D, have been witnessed/described?
Thanks, take care.
John.
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From: John.Powell@p5.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell)
Subject: Secret Life - Questions, 2/3
Date: 28 Mar 92 22:57:32 GMT
(153) "...the variety of aliens..." Regarding the Visualization Procedures,
this is a rather provocative statement. In your work have you, or anyone you
are aware of, also kept a list of the various types of aliens? Is it worth
the trouble to do so?
(?) Regarding the Child Presentation (Nursery/Incubatorium), and really for the
sake of elaboration, why have you selected this as a standalone event and not
as a standard Envisioning and/or Visualization event?
(159) You pretty clearly suggest here, and elsewhere in the text, that some
Abductions are a monthly (if not _more_ frequent) occurance. Have you noticed
any other timeline-like patterns?
(?) Has there ever been independent corroboration of a multiple Abduction?
(For example: Person A gets abducted on a specific date and works with
Investigator 1, Person B gets abducted on the same date and works with
Investigator 2, Persons A & B each describe other humans present, Investigators
1 & 2 eventually get together and compare notes and then try to match up the
people...)
(?) Regarding Multiple Abductions (and the Media Display, 194), is it
reasonable to assume that the people are from generally the same geographic
location? Is there enough data to lead to any tentative assumptions in this
area?
(?) Have you, or anyone you are aware of, attempted to correlate over time the
geography of Abduction events?
(197) You mention some Abductees have shown "...isolated factual knowledge
about scientific topics...", can you give some examples? Is this information
common knowledge but simply unknown to the Abductee or is it R&D/Advanced
information?
(213) Regarding 'switching off' and the in-car events, don't the passengers
notice the time lapse from the car radio? Regarding switching off in general,
what about smokers, has anyone burned themselves or others or something nearby?
While switched off don't people get cramped or need to go to the bathroom? (I
know these sound kind of stupid but the switching off seems to be fraught with
mundane complications...)
Thanks, take care.
John.
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From: John.Powell@p5.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell)
Subject: Secret Life - Questions, 3/3
Date: 28 Mar 92 23:22:55 GMT
(?) Do you know the racial distribution of American Abductees?
(?) How do the aliens take notes? Have they ever been seen evaluating
information, as oppossed to collecting information/data?
(240) Can you elaborate on the detected implants? What were/are the specific
surgery-related risks of upper nasal passage implant removal/recovery?
(?) Frequently in the narrative text the Abductee relates communication from
the aliens using contractions and other colloquilized grammar, and I've
assummed that this is simply a convenience of the Abductee, but has this been
specifically explored? Have you learned anything about their (alien's) command
of our languages? (Do southerners receive communication with a southern
accent? Do non-English speaking Abductees receive communication in their
native language?)
(291) Could you elaborate on the significant differences, if they exist,
between remembered and regressed Abduction scenarios? Any ideas on why one
person would have better unaided recall than any other?
(302) You mention Abduction(s) that have been independently witnessed, where
can I find out more about them?
(333) You mention one individual who was at that time mentally disturbed, how
did the aliens react to a mentally disturbed person? (They seemed quite
perplexed when someone put dots on their chest so I'd guess they'd be nearly
gridlocked given a mentally disturbed person...)
Last question!
I thought Secret Life was an excellent book! I think the work you're doing
with Abductees and the mental health community is equally excellent and
important! However, what role is the AMA and/or APA playing in this matter?
What can private concerned individuals do to help?
Thanks, take care.
John.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Abduction detection
Date: 31 Mar 92 06:08:00 GMT
> I welcome any and all comments about abduction detection. Of course
> we have thought quite a bit about this and we have tried to put some
> things into effect but so far without success. The most important thing
> is that it must be passive, difficult to tamper with, and simple.
How about using a home-security-style motion detector to turn *on* a
battery-powered camcorder?
In standby mode, a camcorder might sit still for hours without consuming lots
of battery power. The motion detector could be run off a separate battery, and
would simply turn on the camcorder (in record mode) when motion (with heat) is
detected.
This approach would lend itself to a "black box" setup that wouldn't be
plugged into AC and would be relatively tamper-resistant.
A still-photo approach would be to use an auto-everything camera that's
linked to the motion detector.
Most cameras you might use turn themselves "off" after a short while; but
they're not really off, they're resting. They'll shoot instantly, but in the
auto-off mode the camera batteries will last about as long as if you'd
actually turned the camera off.
You could use an auto-everything type of camera, but I think better yet, use
a mechanical manual camera with everything preset. Just use the motion detector
to close a relay that'd trigger the camera's motor drive. An Olympus OM-1
w/winder (relatively inexpensive) or Nikon FM w/winder are a couple of
examples of this type of camera. With a 24mm wideangle lens, you wouldn't need
AF.
Most motion detectors will "see" through glass or plexiglass (or can be
adjusted to), so in that setup, the whole thing could be encased in a
tamper-resistant box and batteries for the camera motor and the motion
detector would last a *long* time.
Also, a mechanical camera would be less subject to EMI.
I see a few problems.....
The subject moving the box into another room or covering it up, the subject
triggering off all the film by just moving around, and the subject going into
another room to be abducted.
If the box could be bolted into a ceiling corner, it'd be hard to move or
cover up. A 250-exposure film magazine would make the film supply last longer
(but the film would be expensive). Nothing you could do about other rooms other
than put a rig in each room.
Alternative triggers would be IR beams (Dale Beam), sound triggers (Dale and
Wein) and slave triggers that are commonly used to fire remote flashes. Slaves
trigger on any fast increase in ambient light.
The aforementioned devices aren't passive, except for the sound trigger and
the flash slave trigger, but I wouldn't hold out lots of hope for those two
anyway.
For another approach, some cameras have a "trap-focus" mode; you pre-focus
the camera on a spot, or distance, and when something moves to that spot, into
focus, the camera shoots. This is entirely passive. Two examples are the
Yashica 230AF (relatively inexpensive) and the Nikon N8008s w/MB-21 back
(expensive). By "relatively inexpensive" I mean less than $500 or so full-up.
These systems are commonly used for unattended wildlife photography. You
preset the camera on a trail, and when the animal appears, the camera
photographs it. These cameras could be completely sealed into a box.
*But* these cameras would be susceptible to EMI, even though they're
shielded to some extent.
Probably the only tamper-proof systems would be the "bank surveillance" type
of systems, but I think that's getting into really big money.
Hope this give you some ideas, at least....
jbh
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