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Abduction Digest Number 50
Abduction Digest, Number 50
Tuesday, March 3rd 1992
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Today's Topics:
Personal Experience
Re: Your Wildcat!
implant?
Book Review
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From: Bill.Skiles@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Skiles)
Subject: Personal Experience
Date: 28 Feb 92 03:46:00 GMT
Well, I spoke with John Hicks a little bit and he said that maybe I should
talk with you. I have debated it for a while and I guess I'll just take the
plunge. My name is Bill Skiles and I think I may have had an experience. I
am not going to say that I was Abducted or anything for sure but I have been
reading your messages and I feel that you can ask me your questions and
maybe I can put this thing to rest.
I have had several sightings of UFO's since I was a kid and used to be
interested in them as a kid. I forgot all about them until about two years
ago. I had a sighting about that time. I didn't think too much about it but,
I went on about my business. Well, last summer, I went down to the
Everglades here in Florida. I had the usual day that one has on an airboat.
Just good fun. That night, I was having a hard time falling asleep because
of the humidity. As I lay there, tossing and turning, I was not asleep. My
wife was lying asleep next to me and our foster some on the bunk across the
way. Both of them were asleep. I just lay there and tried to settle down, I
has my eyes closed. Suddenly I felt or heard someone in the room. I opened
my eyes or maybe one eye I can't remember, but I saw three (3) figures, or
robes or some kind of cloth on three figures float or glide past my bed. I
can not recall any heads or faces. Yes, it was pretty dark, no lights on but
I should have been able to see there faces. Anyway what I did see was a very
bright green-blue ball of light that was on the tip of a stick or (like a
pointing stick) with a ball of light about the size of a cigarrett cherry. I
can't really describe this. Let's see. Maybe twice the size of a cigarrett
cherry. (I forgot to tell you, I had turned around to where my head was at
the foot of the bed because that's where the fan was.) Anyway, this light
floated down past me to where the head of the bed was and stopped for a
second. But then it came back and stopped DIRECTLY in front of my eyes. I
had the impression that it was looking for me. What was strange to me is
that I just lay there, immobile, not moving. I remember having the thought
that I will just lay here and maybe "they" won't know I'm awake. But, that's
crazy, cause normally I would say, who is it! I would get up, I would be
startled! Nope, I just lay there like a kid (I'm 38) like a kid thinking if
I lay real still it will be all right. Anyway, That's it. That's all I
remember. The next morning my wife was acting very strange. She was almost
in a panic to leave the place. You would have to know her. She is never in a
panic. I've seen her handle very explosive kids (We're theraputic foster
parents), I've seen here de-esculate kids that I was afraid to get too
near. She doesn't scare easy. But that morning she made us leave a day
earlier than we had planned. She was scared of something, although she said
she wanted to check on her elderly grandmother. I just don't buy it.
The reason that I want to talk with you or send messages is because since
then I have been reading some books on this subject. (I know I probably
messed up any accurate analysis, I've filled my mind up some). But at any
rate I was reading about Betty and Barney Hill and I just thought that I
would check my body out one night a couple months ago. I found a scar that
I've never had before, It is about 5" and runs from my groin area up around
my thigh. I have never had any surgery unless you count tonsills. I am kinda
scared about this. That is to say, If it is a scar. (Could be a stretch mark
but the wife says, uh uh, no way it's a scar. I'm too scared to go find out
and anyway where could I go. (Ahem, excuse me Doctor could you tell me if
this is a scar, I don't remember any surgery, sounds kinda nuts). I was
gonna wait until I found out for sure about the scar, before I bothered you
Dr. Jacobs but It's gettin to me. I feel kinda violated and angry and like
what gives them the right! That kinda stuff. So, I don't have space to go
into the other sightings now (several) since I was a kid. My sister
remembers some too. But maybe you can clear it all up and tell me that it
was just in my head. Maybe just an active imagination after reading a couple
books. I'm not comfortable at all right now. Can you help me? Please don't
brush me off right now as I haven't been able to talk to anyone. At least
wait until you find out that I'm really basically normal. Thanks for your
time.
P.S. I am usually pretty stable, yes I do have other pressures right now,
ex-wife suing for 30,000 sort of stuff. But I've never been known to have
serious problems (mentally). Don't drink, no drugs. Not into New Age or any
religion. Don't much like church. Do believe in God. That's all I can think
of. Oh, very happily married. Sorry to be so long winded. Bill Skiles
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From: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Danny Brandenburg)
Subject: Re: Your Wildcat!
Date: 28 Feb 92 08:36:43 GMT
Sue...
My Wildcat! board can be contacted at (606) 255-5739. I think you will
find several things of interest there (ie. the religious area and the
paranormal/religious file areas).
Leave me a message when you get there and I will upgrade your
security.
Brandenburg
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: implant?
Date: 29 Feb 92 05:49:01 GMT
I am currently examining an x-ray photograph sent to me by Steve
Jones of Elverta, California, which exhibits a possible implant
residing within a living subject.
The image measures approximately 2.5mm in diameter, and contains
six barb-like projections extending roughly .75mm from the
apparently spherical surface. The barbs are equidistant from each
other, at angles of about 60 degrees. The object appears to lie at
the upper edge of the pelvis, in the vicinity of the spleen.
My question is, does anyone know of any reports of a similarly
configured implant, and if so, could you please cite complete
references to specific cases.
Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Sheldon
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Book Review
Date: 28 Feb 92 13:56:00 GMT
Dave:
The following informal review of your book appeared on the GEnie network,
courtesy of Brent Wilcox.
Jim
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Category 2, Topic 2
Message 51 Fri Feb 21, 1992
B.WILCOX5 [Brent Wilcox] at 02:25 EST
[...]
As for Jacobs, his book is provocative to say the least...
==WARNING: Rampant SPECULATION Zone Ahead == (Pages and Pages...)
He develops a generic scenario for "real" abductions, and is
careful to distance himself and the abduction phenomena from other
aspects of Ufology, especially "contactees" (whom he generally
ridicules based on the more flamboyant and publicity-seeking). I
think abductees and contactees are two sides of the same coin, but
Jacobs tries to present abductions as a relatively new and perhaps
unique phenomena. Mostly, this is an understandable attempt to
focus attention on it and study it in its own terms, to show that
there is a physically real phenomenon involving non-human entities.
But there are some strongly non-physical or paraphysical elements in
the scenario he develops, and numerous psychological aspects he
discards or glosses over to emphasize the physicality.
Two points come to mind -- folklore and stigmata (and physical
effects found in some multiple personality cases, too). He
discounts the folkloric element of abductions, on the one hand to
assert that they are =not= urban folklore. Fine. But he discards
possible traditional folkloric parallels because the individuals in
his cases are simply not storytellers, that they aren't connected to
the evolving body of folklore in any direct way, and don't seek
publicity for their experiences. But books like his and Hopkins',
(let alone the upcoming TV version of Intruders) inevitably generate
folklore, and are inevitably linked to the evolving process he tries
to avoid. And he overlooks the possibilty that traditional folklore
may have grown from half-recalled abduction experiences, or the
cover memories he says the "entities" routinely plant. In fact,
manipulating a culture's folklore may be a more powerful, more
subtle and long-lasting, tool than manipulating newspaper headlines.
He emphasises the extreme mental control the "entities" have over
the abductees during the process -- they can play the human nervous
system like a piano, perhaps even re-tune it. My own thoughts keep
coming back to that aspect. For one thing, how can he say for sure
that the scenario he's uncovered isn't itself a planted memory?
He rightly points out that "normal" cases of stigmata occur in
people with high levels of conscious, religious belief, yet
abductees develop physical symptoms (scars, rashes) without any
conscious belief-system. The deep mental manipulation involved
makes me wonder if "belief-free" stigmata could be generated. I've
read of people having allergic reactions under hypnosis without an
allergen present, and developing blisters from objects that aren't
hot. And persons with multiple personality disorder can have
allergic reactions when an allergic personality is dominant.
He may be correct that folklore, multiple personalities, and
stigmata (and the many other non-pysical explanations he rejects)
can't explain abductions in themselves as they are presently
understood. But there may be psycho-physical mechanisms involved in
those that are also involved in abductions.
He states outright near the beginning that the entities intentions
are "reproductive" in nature, involving interspecies genetic
experimentation. But the scenario he develops still strikes me as
some sort of "Abduction Theater", and that the entities intentions
are more likely psychological than biological or genetic. The
physical examinations may be important for the psychological
results of being so examined. The whole experience may be
preparation for the "messages" and the psychological aftereffects
(for the abductees and the culture in general).
Though to finally answer your question, Bubba, he doesn't really
cover the "messages" in any detail, in part because I think he's
afraid of having his people sound like "contactees", and because
he's more interested in the medical and biological motifs. The
"presentations" abductees get after the physical exams -- which
include general warnings of ecological or nuclear disaster -- are
treated sparingly if at all.
Biologist Richard Dawkins (I hope I have his name right!) came up
with the concept of the "meme" as the human cultural equivalent of
the "gene", and proposed that memetic evolution was now more
important to the human species than genetic evolution. "Memes" are
basically ideas and beliefs shared by groups of humans, and
arrangments of memes are what define differences in human cultures.
And "memes" compete as "genes" do.
Is the genetic motif a "theatrical" metaphor for the memetic
manipulation that's actually going on?
== Now Leaving SPECULATION Zone = Have A Nice Day! ==
Phew!
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