The incredible confessions of a terminally ill man, formerly CIA agent
The great historian, writer and researcher Richard Dolan, speaks with a 77-year-old former CIA member who suffers from a terminal disease that is killing one of his kidneys, so he decides to grant this interview and free himself from a great burden he carries within for too many years. The former CIA member recounts an experience he had regarding President Eisenhower and Area 51.
Although he was interviewed and framed, he prefers to remain "anonymous". This information is important and the man probably revealed it when he had only a few months to live. This was the video that Richard Doland presented in his presentation regarding members of Congress at the famous Citizen Hearing on extraterrestrial disclosure.
March 5, 2013 - Location undisclosed, United States
- A = Former CIA member
- R = Richard Doland
A - We are getting older and older, I am 77 years old. You can't live forever, can you? The blood cleansing process is not enough. So I will probably have a few months left before my kidney stops working. This is one of the reasons why I accepted this interview.
R - What you saw, and what you went through, is very important for people to know. We could start at the beginning of your military career. and then tell what exactly your experience was?
A - It all started when I was inducted into the militia, into the United States Army, from that moment I was sent to a training center in the east of the United States.
R - In what year happen?
A - In 1958. I went to the training center course, in those years there was a teletypewriter course (note: teletypewriter, also called teletype or TTY, is an electromechanical device widely used in the past to transmit text messages through the telegraph network or telex.) and also the cryptography course.
There were five instructors working in the military service. They chose the 5 best students of the course, I was third in the class, so I became an instructor.
R - So in those years you also worked for the CIA?
A - No.
R - Not yet?
A - No. One day my boss approached me asking if I was interested in earning some extra money. My response was: "Money is nice." So he explained to me how to enter the ultra-secret White House with the necessary authorization to be able to work there. I thought, "Wow! This thing must be exclusive!" So I said, "Okay, what's this about?" he told me he was the CIA director of the Eastern United States. I told him I didn't know, and he told me it was normal.
After about six weeks my security clearance arrived, I got my CIA ID. It was an identity card similar to a credit card (badge) that allowed me to enter doors that required authorization. The name I used in those years was invented. I never used my real name. So I started working with him on the project in which he participated. This was Project Blue Book, which was partially a fraud.
R - Are you saying that some of the Project Blue Book cases were completely fictitious?
A - Yes. The cases we handled were I believe from Fort Palville, Maryland.
R - Fort Belvior?
A - Exactly. They didn't come from the Pentagon or the CIA quarters. We obtained reports of some sightings in Mexico, Italy, and other countries. Our task was to go to the site of the sightings and interview the witnesses to see if they were fake or real cases.
R - So you were abroad frequently?
A - I wasn't travelling. I always kept my distance, but other CIA people who worked on this project did so. We would get a new report, probably twice a week. I had practically just joined so I didn't know much, I practically knew nothing, but my boss signed me up for this Blue Book Project and so I learned about the information they had accumulated up to that point, which talked about Grays and aliens from the Roswell incident.
R - How did you feel when they told you these things for the first time? What was your first feeling?
A - I was scared, because of this whole thing. I told him that I didn't know if people were able to judge whether all this was real or not, considering the lack of knowledge.
R - And who replied?
A - He told me that we would have to build up information about it to understand how they would take it.
R - Of course it was forbidden to talk about it with your family or close friends.
A - No. I couldn't talk about it with anyone. I promised myself never to talk about it with anyone at least until I was 40 or maybe older, even 50, which I would reach in 2010. (talks about military service)
R - You did all this cryptography work, you looked for images, photographs, videos, and if I'm not mistaken it took place in 1958 more or less. What happened next?
A - Project Blue Book was put aside. The members of this project declared that there was nothing.
R - They told the whole world that all UFOs were fake, they didn't exist, they were a scam. Perhaps out of fear of the psychological problems that could arise.
A - Exactly. Then my boss approached me and said we would have to get a new signature. I asked him where we were going and he answered me in the capital. We were going to be part of Eisenhower's promotion, we were going to meet him. Something about the aliens that MG12 found, and didn't let go.
R - Was MG12 the UFO control group? Did they call themselves that?
A - Exactly. They called us to enter the Despacho Oval (In English it could be Office Oval, I'm translating the Spanish, and the translation is not always easy for names, I think it's "Office Oval" - despacho = office), there it was President Eisenhower along with Nixon. We thought the people at MG12 were from Area 51, but they told us the government had no jurisdiction over what they were doing. So the general told us that we would go to hell if we didn't have any good reason.
Eisenhower said, "I want you and your boss to go to that place, and I want you to give him a personal message." He said again, "I want you to tell whoever is responsible that I give him a week to come to Washington and talk to me. If he doesn't, I will recall the main force to Colorado and we will take over the base. I care what class of classified material they have. We will take possession of all of this."
R - Was Eisenhower intending to invade Area 51?
A - Area 51, exactly, with its main army.
R - So you went with your superior, did you take the plane there? And tell me, after we landed what happened? Can you describe the whole process, what you saw?
A - They took us about 20-24 kilometers inside the base. They had several garage-like doors, where they kept different types of flying saucers. There was also the Roswell UFO in there, the ship had crashed, all the alien passengers died except for a couple.
R - The local Roswell newspaper at the time (1947) talked about flying saucers recovered by the army.
R - Did you see the Roswell ship and what else?
A - Well, the one in Roswell was really strange, because it seemed to be made of a material similar to aluminum. She had two rockets in the sides that could lift her, she probably weighed 150 to 300 pounds (about 70 – 140 kg, which seems low to me, but I'm translating her words. However, aluminum is famous for its lightness and resistance).
R - Did they explain to you what type of energy source this ship used?
A - Yes, she was some kind of reversed gravitational force somehow. In fact of one, I later obtained the mathematical code of inverted gravity in a 30 x 5 card. I saw all the types of Grays and beyond.
R - How?
A - First they showed us the video of the autopsy, then they told us that we could interview an alien from the Gray species. Just to give you an idea, I remembered having seen an old video years ago which was then shared around the world on YouTube, I don't know whether it's real or not, I don't know the "primary" source like I think anyone else does. The video is quite famous now, I'll take one from a random user, who downloaded it from someone else, like everyone else did. It should be the Roswell incident. I don't care about the comments of skeptics, YouTube is already full of them.
R - Very good, how did you feel at this moment?
A - I thought I couldn't see something really real, since up to that point we had only seen recordings.
R - Didn't you have a bit of tachycardia at that moment?
A - Of course. My boss was allowed in for a sort of partial interview.
R - So could you describe to us what these gray aliens look like?
A - This had something oriental about it.
R - I wonder if this was similar to humans, how could the others be?
A - No. He was similar to humans due to the color of his skin, and the shape of his eyes.
R – How was the size of his head, compared to ours, for example?
A - The brain was a little bigger. Some had very, very small noses, and holes instead of ears. The mouth was very small.
R - Why did they take you there, to see an alien, or what?
A - We went there to see with our own eyes what was there, the aliens, and then report to the president.
R - This means that he was not aware of it.
A - No.
R - Didn't you know there were real aliens?
A - No. No.
R - What did you do in this area? Did your tour end in that area or did they take you to others?
A - Yes. We ended up mostly in one of these sections of Area 51. They took us to the main building where we saw a U-2 (plane) that we didn't know existed. And an SR-71 model. As I said before, this was not a current model but an older version.
R - Did you go directly to Washington afterward, or did you go somewhere else? Did you travel on a regular airliner?
A - We flew on a passenger plane from the air base, then took President Eisenhower's Lockheed Electra back to Washington.
R - So you and your superior met with the President?
A - Yes.
R - Could you describe it to us?
A - Okay, we gathered with him in the second apartment of the OSS Warehouse building. There were Eisenhower, Nixon and Hoover. They asked us what was going on there, and so we told them about the alien stuff, and other secret projects. Eisenhower was shocked, it was the first time he seemed worried to me, he was always very calm.
R - I thought that Eisenhower was aware of the fact that flying saucers were a reality, and of the presence of aliens. I wonder why this reaction.
A - he was surprised at the secret programs. Personally I never told him anything, but the word itself says it, they were secret and my job was not to reveal anything to anyone. And I can't tell you about this anyway.
R - Your real name, I am referring to your first name, was different.
A - Yes, I never used my real name in the CIA, absolutely.
R - Today you are making yourself publicly recorded, and what you are telling is still confidential information, plus you talked about the expiration of your security date.
A - The one of 50 years. Yes.
R - However, are you still worried?
A - Linda made a phone call, her phone was traced and so they have my number, and through the phone line they can find me, etc.
R - What happened when they found you?
A - I was going to the grocery store when two guys in a black suit and a black Lincoln got out of the car and came up to me and said: "You'd better avoid posting anything and stop talking to Linda. Thanks." And so I did.
R - Was this enough to intimidate you?
A - Yes. I remained anonymous, I never showed my face or anything else.
R - Thank you very much for this interview.
A - I think I did the right thing, I feel much better having talked about it. I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders.
R - Really?
A - Yes, because in recent years I have accumulated many secrets.
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