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961101
V I S C O R P U P D A T E
V T U A N D L I G H T W A V E P R O D I E
T H E L A T E S T F R O M P H A S E 5
This issue:
We only have three stories for you this time around. Despite that, this is
one of the largest "Amiga Updates" ever as there's a lot of material in the
last item from "Phase 5".
We begin with the most recent report on the VIScorp/AT situation from
Jason Compton. He addresses a series of Amiga issues in this posting.
Next is the announcement of the death of two magazines which many Amiga
video professionals read. These are "Video Toaster User" and
"LIGHTWAVEPRO". We thought we'd run the entire posting so you can pick out
items of interest to you.
Finally, the folks at "Phase 5 Digital Products" have recently posted a
very long article describing their upcoming computer for 1997. In short,
they're talking about a multiple processor Power PC machine with an Amiga
compatible OS. Again, we thought we'd run the entire posting so you can
scan it for items or interest or read every word, as you like. It's pretty
technical, but even non-technical people should be able to dig out the key
items. We suspect the name of the new computer, "A\Box", is a subtle poke
at the new French computer called the "B Box".
We suggest you grab your favorite beverage (steaming hot tea comes to mind
on this very cold Wisconsin evening here) and have a leasurly read.
Brad
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Date: 27 Oct 1996 22:57:58 GMT
As many of you are by now aware, Petro has made a statement regarding the
ongoing purchase discussions {See "Amiga Update" 961025 for a copy. Brad}.
His words carry a lot more weight than mine, so I refer you to the Amiga
Home Page (http://www.amiga.de) or various other Amiga Web sites which have
by now mirrored his statement, such as the Amiga Web Directory
(www.cucug.org/amiga.html.) Please take note of his statement that VIScorp
has provided financial support to keep AT operating at what level it can
given the situation Escom is in.
There is not any new public-consumption information regarding the
acquisition of the Amiga. We remain optimistic and all parties are still
in discussion.
A4000 and A1200 products
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We are currently looking to fulfill the May commitment of providing A4000T
users with a VIScorp-badged accelerator board. We hope to have an
announcement of availability and pricing soon. We are also investigating
solutions for A1200 users.
The Logo Contest
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I'd like to take a moment to thank everyone who has submitted a logo to
VIScorp on behalf of the entire company. The response was impressive and a
number of the entries were submitted far more forcefully than we'd
anticipated. We want to give the entire company a chance to be involved in
the selection, but given the dispersion of officers now in the attempt to
close various deals relating to VIScorp business, that's not feasible right
now. We hope to be ready with the logo selection soon.
VIScorp Stock
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Information and news on VIScorp stock is available from a variety of
sources and there have been questions lately. I would just like to point
out at this time that the only person at VIScorp authorized to discuss the
stock is David Rosen, VP of Business Development, who can be reached at
drosen@ix.netcom.com. Any stock-related inquiry received by me will be
forwarded on to him without additional comment.
A4000T Price
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We'd just like it to be clear that pricing and distribution decisions made
by QuikPak are strictly made by QuikPak without input, invited or offered,
from VIScorp. In other words--if you have comments on it, they are the
appropriate ears.
Web Updates
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Beginning tonight or tomorrow, I will be cross-posting my more significant
Usenet posts to the VIScorp Web site. {We're keeping an eye on this, of
course. This is a fine service and nice gesture on VIScorp's part. Brad}
--
Jason Compton jcompton@xnet.com
Communications Manager - Amiga, VIScorp http://www.vistv.com/
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T W O V I D E O M A G A Z I N E S V A N I S H
Video Toaster User and LIGHTWAVEPRO Changes
Date: October 24, 1996
To: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
From: Joe Tracy, VTU Editor in Chief
Concerning: VTU & LWPro Info from Miller Freeman
I have been authorized by Miller Freeman, Inc. to post the following
questions and answers, provided by them, to this newsgroup. Tomorrow I
will be posting the official press release they are issuing in cooperation
with NewTek.
After the press release I will be able to answer any questions you have.
Because my news provider does not successfully retrieve all the messages in
this group, please send your questions directly to me or post them on the
LightWave or Video Toaster mailing lists for a prompt response.
Sincerely,
Joe Tracy, Editor in Chief Video Toaster User jtracy@main.rosenet.net
Q & A on the new Video Toaster & LightWave 3D Report
Miller Freeman, Inc., publisher of Digital Video Magazine, 3D Design,
Video Toaster User and LIGHTWAVEPRO will announce this week the joint
development of biannual, special reports for Video Toaster User and
LIGHTWAVEPRO subscribers that will be called Video Toaster & LightWave 3D
Report. These special reports, will supersede the current monthly issues
of Video Toaster User and LIGHTWAVEPRO and will launch this spring. A
joint press release from Miller Freeman and NewTek is planned to go out on
Friday, October 25, 1996 announcing this and other new media strategies
from NewTek, Inc. that support Video Toaster and LightWave users.
The new Video Toaster & LightWave 3D Report will focus on the specific
products, tips, techniques and industry news that readers and advertisers
have come to rely on from Video Toaster User and LIGHTWAVEPRO.
The following are questions we anticipate readers will be asking with
regard to this change:
* Q: Will the new biannual reports be bound into Digital Video and 3D
Design Magazines or will they be produced separately?
A: The new spring and fall reports will be a special section, bound into
Digital Video and 3D Design Magazines.
* Q: Which months' issues are the final issues of Video Toaster User and
LIGHTWAVEPRO?
A: The January issue of Video Toaster User and the October issue of
LIGHTWAVEPRO will be the last.
* Q: Will Video Toaster User and LIGHTWAVEPRO ever appear as monthly
issues again?
A: At this time there are no plans to do so since NewTek, Inc.and Miller
Freeman, Inc. have developed new media strategies to serve the needs of
this evolving market.
* Q: Why is Miller Freeman taking this new direction?
A: The intent of these new strategies bring a broader level of
information to Video Toaster and LightWave users through Miller Freeman's
focused, in-depth, biannual reports in Digital Video Magazine and 3D Design
and a Web publication from NewTek, called NewTek Studio, that will
capitalize on the timely and interactive nature of the new medium.
* Q: What happens to my current subscription to Video Toaster User or
LIGHTWAVEPRO?
A: After the first of the year, if you are a Video Toaster User
subscriber you will receive a letter from Miller Freeman, Inc.asking you if
you would like to fulfill your current subscription by receiving monthly
issues of Digital Video Magazine which will contain the new biannual, Video
Toaster & LightWave 3D Report.With the letter you will also receive a copy
of Digital Video Magazine.
If you are a LIGHTWAVEPRO subscriber, you will receive a letter asking if
you would like to fulfill your current LIGHTWAVEPRO subscription by
receiving monthly issues of 3D Design Magazine, which will also contain the
new biannual, Video Toaster &LightWave 3D Report. With the letter you will
also receive a copy of Digital Video Magazine.
* Q: What if I don't want to receive Digital Video Magazine or 3D Design
Magazine?
A: Your money will be cheerfully refunded. Although, we believe you
won't want to do so once you see the great information you can get with
Digital Video Magazine and 3D Design but the choice is yours.
* Q: How does this new media strategy effect the Video Toaster User Expo
'96 this November 5-8, at the Universal City Hilton & Towers in California?
A: It does not effect the conference or expo. In fact, there is still
time to register to attend this exciting, yearly event.Call 1-800-643-3976
to register. You won't want to miss attending this year as there will be
additional information about NewTek's new media strategies announced at the
conference.
* Q: How can someone who is not currently a subscriber to Video Toaster
User or LIGHTWAVEPRO sign-up to receive the new Video Toaster User &
LightWave 3D Reports?
A: For subscription information for Digital Video Magazine and for 3D
Design call 1-800-998-0806.
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P H A S E 5 C O M P U T E R D E T A I L E D
Code name: A\BOX
A leap forward towards realising a vision
The product - the data - the facts
October 22, 1996: phase 5 digital products are pleased that they are
now able to announce the long-awaited specifications for the new
computer system scheduled for 1997 and based on a powerful Custom Chip
technology. Under the name of the current project, A\BOX, we are
realising a trail-blazing visionary concept that explodes the barriers
of today's standards. As an extremely powerful and creative personal
workstation, A\BOX will appeal to all users who wish to work actively
and creatively with the most modern technology and who have no desire
to put up with the limitations imposed by mass hardware products that
have fallen victim to a cost-cutting spree nor by the restraining
software corsets of systems that are intended purely for passive
consumers and users. With the enormous power it offers and its
integrated functions the A\BOX project can claim to be implementing a
computer design that is as innovative, as outstanding and as
exceptionally cool as the Amiga 1000 was 12 years ago - a computer
design that all Amiga enthusiasts can welcome as the reincarnation of
their favourite computer system on a state-of-the-art technical level.
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The hardware of the A\BOX
The computer project we announced has given rise to a great deal of
inaccurate speculation, rumours and false information which have been
bandied about in general discussion forums (in many Internet
newsgroups for example) during the last few months. This is why we
would first like to put the record straight and deliver a few basic
facts about the A\BOX concept. The A\BOX project does not specify a
system that builds up on standard technologies such as PCI-based
graphical chips. We at phase 5 digital products take the view that a
new innovative computer must also offer innovative hardware to match
in order to stand out among the current PC designs and overcome the
limitations they impose. On the other hand, this in no way implies
that in designing an innovative computer we need to depart in any way
from standards that are useful and meaningful for the user of the
system (such as a PCI bus for simple expansions, the use of
standardised RAM modules, standard interfaces etc.). The technological
innovation, rather, is to be found on a level of integration which is
of central importance in controlling the system. And despite the
effort involved, which we will be going into later, today's modern
methods of design and production make it possible to realise such an
innovative concept in the form of ASIC's at an extremely competitive
price. The central component of the A\BOX is a novel Custom Chip which
is now under development at phase 5 digital and which will be
responsible for many important functions in the system. These include
complete memory administration and processor linkup, all DMA-like
functions including video and audio DMA, blitter-type functions, I/O
and control functions. A team of experienced chip and hardware
designers are working on the realisation of this sophisticated
concept, supported by software designers and aided by the most modern,
high-level synthesis tools for VHDL-based designs. During the first
half of 1997 major efforts will go into phases of simulation and
testing, the result of which will be the production of the first
silicon tapeout. This will be followed by the mass production of the
ASIC's which, of course, will be put in the hands of one of the
world's leading ASIC manufacturers.
In conclusion it can be said that the A\BOX project is an ambitious
one which creates new techniques, a project in which we are by no
means reinventing the wheel, but rather one in which we are making
extensive use of the most modern techniques and development
possibilities that are available today to an innovative company that
is willing to invest in order to develop an outstanding, powerful and
competitive product.
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The Silicon Dream
The heart of the A\BOX is the system controller, CAIPIRINHA, which
will realise the functional integration on which the A\BOX concept is
based. CAIPIRINHA opens up new dimensions of power and technology.
CAIPIRINHA will be implemented as a VLSI Custom Chip design in 0.35
um CMOS ASIC technology using a modern, probably 575-pole BGA housing.
With a bus width of 128 bits to the memory bus, extensive dual-port
buffers and FIFO's in the data lines, and clock rates of initially 100
MHz externally and 200 MHz internally, CAIPIRINHA can provide an
intense data throughput and powerful additional functions which do not
rely on the processor, such as support for 3D and multimedia
applications.
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The corner-stones of the CAIPIRINHA design:
* 128-bit high performance UMA (Unified Memory Architecture)
controller, using fast SDRAMs with a clock frequency of 100 MHz
and a maximum band width of up to 1.6 G-bytes/second
* 64-bit processor bus with a maximum clock rate of 100 MHz
* two 24-bit video DMA units with freely addressable access, with
integrated 24-bit video DAC's
* four 16-bit audio outputs, 44.1 KHz with any number of virtual
tracks, sample output, FM and AM synthesis
* video-in ports for 2 independent video inputs in Y/UV 4:2:2
quality
* audio inputs in 16-bit stereo CD quality
* LCD (TFT) controller according to the VESA standard
* a PCI-bus interface for medium-performance I/O applications
* a local 16-bit DMA bus with 66.7 MHz and a maximum band width of
132 M-bytes/second for universal low-cost applications
* an integrated IEEE 1394 firewire controller for digital I/O
applications
* a desktop bus interface.
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CAIPIRINHA is basically designed as a highly complex system and memory
controller in the form of a SOMA Engine (Sole Memory Access). At the
same time CAIPIRINHA manages all access to the A\BOX memory which
takes the form of a highly powerful Unified Memory Architecture (UMA).
All external memory access, including that of the processor, only
occurs virtually and is administered and implemented by CAIPIRINHA.
Unified Memory Architecture means that the entire system memory is
made available as a unified memory which stores all types of data,
such as programs and their data, display data, 3D-textures or Z-buffer
data, audio data, incoming flows of video data etc. etc. and which can
be addressed by all functional units in the system. For the user UMA
means that the entire memory in the system is available for all
applications at all times. When the memory is expanded with
inexpesnive SDRAM modules, the additional memory capacity is then
always available for all applications and functions in the system. In
terms of its principle UMA corresponds to the Amiga Chip RAM which can
be addressed both by the processor and by the custom chips and video
and audio DMA units of the Amiga. Unlike the Chip RAM, however, and
unlike the low-cost attempts made to implement UMA memories in the PC
field, the memory subsystem of the A\BOX in the form of a unified
memory architecture will be implemented with 128 bits databus width
and by use of synchronous DRAM's which have a speed of 100 MHz, which
allows a band width of 1.6 G-bytes/second. A special method of
controlling the SDRAM modules also considerably reduces latency times
when accessing the memory.
Due to the integration of the video DMA into CAIPIRINHA the UMA memory
can simultaneously be used as a display memory. CAIPIRINHA provides
two video DMA engines: one 220 MHz high-performance video output for
resolutions of up to 1600 x 1280 pixels with 24 bits and a refresh
frequency of 75 Hz and a Genlock-capable 135 MHz video output for a
second monitor or image output in video resolutions such as PAL/NTSC
or S-VHS. The video output of the 135-MHz output can be superimposed
as a window on the 220 MHz display while both video DMA's are in
parallel operation.
Unlike conventional raster scan displays, CAIPIRINHA's video DMA
engines function on the basis of a random memory access (Random Access
Display), which makes it possible to display any data in visual form
at any random screen positions. With this method windows, as hardware
windows for example, can be superimposed and moved around anywhere
with their full content, without any delay or jerkiness, even with
moving animation or video sequences. Special pipelines and FIFO
buffers within CAIPIRINHA's video DMA ensure a stable data throughput.
The complex display possibilities are controlled by an integrated
display-list RISC processor (DLRP). As the video DMA engines always
have an output in 24-bit display mode, it is, of course, possible to
mix any depth of shade at will. In this way, for example, on a
memory-saving background with a colour depth of 8 bits it is possible
to display 16-bit and 24-bit windows in any position. Of course
CAIPIRINHA makes it possible to open and display virtual screens of
any size and to make use of the capacity of the entire RAM. For
example an image-processing application can open a virtual screen of
4000 x 4000 pixels in 24 bits in a system expanded to 72 M-bytes and
scroll it in a display that can be represented on the monitor in 1280
x 1024 pixels without any delay or jerkiness. Another interesting
feature of CAIPIRINHA's video DMA engines is the fact that windows
need no longer be merely rectangular, but can assume practically any
outlines. Last, but not least, video data in the RAM which are
intended for output can be stored in various formats such as RGB, YUV
or CMYK and displayed simultaneously.
It goes without saying that CAIPIRINHA has a highly complex functional
unit (FAME, Flexible Area Movement Engine) for rapidly writing into,
copying and linking memory locations or images, and which, in a
similar way to the hardware windows that can be displayed with
CAIPIRINHA, can assume practically any outlines and not merely the
rectangular forms we know from classical blitters (block image
transferers). At the same time a parallel DSP-RISC type processing
unit is also integrated into this functional unit. With a very compact
set of commands this allows fully programmable image and signal
processing and matrix operations. This means that FAME supports
special multimedia and 3D applications which can make optimum use of
this supportive processing capacity which is available parallel to
that of the CPU. Because it is a programmable DSP-RISC processing
unit, however, FAME is not limited to today's standards. Its powerful
features are also available for future standards such as new 3D or
video-compression algorithms.
Audio output via CAIPIRINHA physically occurs via 2 channels in 16-bit
CD quality. Internally the number of virtual audio tracks is limited
only by the memory space available. FAME is able to engineer real-time
generation and mixing of various audio tracks in any random format
(e.g. also 24-bit audio) without making demands on the processor. It
is also possible to generate various sound effects, a feature which is
optimally supported by functions similar to DSP. In general digital
samples, FM-synthesized sounds and envelope-VCO generated tones can be
generated, modified, mixed and output via these freely programmable
audio-DMA.
In addition to these superb functions CAIPIRINHA offers a full range
of additional controlling functions: an integrated PCI-bus controller
controls the PCI expansion bus which is available for low-cost
standard expansions in the lower performance range or for I/O
applications with medium band width (e.g. Ultra-SCSI or ATM). A local
16-bit DMA bus is available for further I/O applications, and an
interesting and easy-to-implement interface is specially available for
hardware manufacturers who do not want to work with standard PCI
components. Another important feature which will play a major role in
future multimedia applications is the integrated IEEE 1394 firewire
bus. A large number of electronic enhancements for computer and
consumer can connected via this high-speed serial bus.
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The general system design of the A\BOX
The A\BOX system will be implemented as a progressive and innovative
concept of a personal workstation which offers extremely good value
for money. As we have mentioned, the system builds up on the
innovative CAIPIRINHA chip which serves as the functional heart of the
system. The type of processor we intend to use will be the Initial
PowerPC processors of types 603e and 604e. Theoretically these can be
operated with clock frequencies of up to 500 MHz. At present, with the
first A\BOX design, a maximum of two processors can be connected on
the CAIPIRINHA processor bus; a corresponding expansion option for the
second processor will be available in the A\BOX design.
The memory can be expanded by using inexpensive standard SDRAM modules
with a width of 64 bits (168-pin JEDEC DIMMS). In future these SDRAMs
will increasingly be replacing slower, traditional DRAMs. Eight slots
will be available so that the memory can be expanded to a maximum
capacity of 1 gigabyte. The slots can be expanded in pairs (due to the
128-bit mode).
As a standard feature the system provides two video outputs, one of
which has a maximum pixel rate of 220 MHz and the second of which can
be operated at 135 MHz. In addition to this, the second video output
can be synchronised externally and is thus suitable for compatible
analogue video applications.
Also available, naturally, are an integrated Fast SCSI-II controller
with an external port and an integrated ISDN connection. Via standard
video inputs two analogue video inputs can be simultaneously
digitalised in Y/C quality and then processed in real time. The audio
inputs and outputs also offered by CAIPIRINHA which it will, of
course, be possible to synchronise with the video ports, are available
in the form of Cinch jacks for processing high-quality audio data.
Keyboard, mouse and other operating devices are connected up via a
serial desktop bus. In addition to this, there are external
connections for the IEEE 1394 firewire port, the serial interface and
the parallel interface.
Due to the open design concept of A\BOX, the outstanding hardware
features of the CAIPIRINHA system controller and the excellent
operating system capacities, A\BOX offers itself as an ideal platform
for unusual applications for third-party developers working both in
the field of software and in the field of hardware. Any I/O expansions
which may be required, such as ATM boards, Ultra SCSI or RAID
controllers or others can be easily adapted via the PCI bus. In
addition to this, the most versatile enhancements can be developed for
the A\BOX via both the PCI and the 16-bit DMA bus.
At present all options are still open as far as the housing is
concerned. The mainboard design of the A\BOX will, at all events, be
geared towards the usual standards so that the option of choosing a
more inexpensive standard housing will be kept open in addition to a
custom housing.
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A large number of options for the operating system software
A large number of options will be available for the operating system
software of the A\BOX. In general the A\BOX project aims to implement
an Amiga-OS-compatible operating system of a state-of-the-art
technical standard and to provide it as a basic operating system for
the A\BOX. Modern functions such as support for multi-processing are
to be transparently integrated. The basis for this development has
already been created in the form of the Amiga-OS 3.1 compatible
operating core which is currently being tested in the software labs of
phase 5 digital products. In the near future we will also be pressing
ahead with more development work in co-operation with important
software partners, for example on an updated GUI or other high-level
components. An important aspect of this development work will be our
efforts to make the operating system provide complete support for the
superb possibilities offered by the hardware.
In addition to this we also plan to implement a NetBSD and a Linux
version for the A\BOX in co-operation with other partners. The current
concepts provide for a very close integration of these OS adaptations
into the basic operating system of the A\BOX so that parallel
operation of the two operating systems and of software applications
based on these operating systems will proceed with extreme
transparency and excellent coordination. A\BOX will also be open for
other operating systems, especially including the ones that are
already suitable for the PowerPC. In the future we might use
attractive standard operating systems by way of licence agreements and
emulation.
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Open concepts for the future
The A\BOX concept which we have introduced here will be structured in
such a way that it is forward-looking and open. The technology used in
the CAIPIRINHA custom chip is upgradable on silicon level. This means
that in the future it will be possible to implement compatible systems
enhancing the functions with wider memory or wider processor buses and
to realise faster versions of this custom design with higher internal
clock rates. In addition to this it is conceivable that a downgraded
64-bit version will be implemented. This means that systems of average
capacity (e.g. 24-bit screen resolution with a maximum of 1280 x 1024
pixels) but which possess the full functional power of the concept we
have outlined can be implemented at a price range considerably below
DM 1500 or USD 1000. In order to possibly implement such a low-price
version of the CAIPIRINHA Custom Chip, phase 5 digital products in the
near future will be seeking contact with partners who might possibly
be interested and who offer the preconditions for the large-scale
manufacture and distribution of such a product. But phase 5 will also
be open for OEM partnerships with regard to the mass-produced A\BOX
mainboards or the CAIPIRINHA system controller.
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Worldwide availability guaranteed.
Worldwide availability guaranteed. For our own A\BOX systems, which
will be sold in a price range starting from DM 3,000 (USD 2,000 or GBP
1,300) net (in the 150 MHz class with the basic features, i.e. a 16
M-byte memory, a hard disk in the 1 GB range and a CD-ROM disk drive)
phase 5 digital products will be setting up an active international
distribution system during the course of 1997, which will ensure that
product and sales support is available as soon as delivery commences.
This work will include selecting sales representatives, giving them
preparatory training courses and opening up distribution and service
branches as far as is necessary for professionally attending to
important markets. The expansion of our Internet activities in the
fields of sales, support, product support and marketing will make an
important contribution towards distributing the system among an
interest group that spans the four corners of the globe. These
activities will guarantte for a worldwide availability of the A\BOX
systems to interested users and customers.
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Disclaimer: All rights reserved. All specifications are preliminary
and subject to change without notice. Now, Davy, that's what we call
Cool Stuff! Special thanks to competent individuals such as Dr. Edward
L. Hepler who spent some of their valuable time to enlighten common
newsgroup discussions with valuable comments.
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Contact:
phase 5 digital products
In der Au 27
61440 Oberursel, Germany
Telefon: 06171/583787
Intl. Phone: +49 6171 583787
Fax: 06171/583789
Intl.Fax: +49 6171 583789
Email: mail@phase5.de
oder: aproject@phase5.de
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